Daher singen wir
Im Himmel gibt’s kein bier…
[quote]treco wrote:
Daher singen wir
Im Himmel gibt’s kein bier…[/quote]
If you convert to Rastafariansism, there is.
Plus, strippers.
I finished my retail career at $10 an hour at a mom and pop liquor store. Bets job I’ve ever had. Met my wife while both students working their, met one of the best friends I’ve ever had, and got shit housed for cheap in college.
$18 an hour for what I was doing would have been insane high, lol. I put beer on a shelf and bullshit about wine to over privildged dolts.
so many typos, so little care ^
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I finished my retail career at $10 an hour at a mom and pop liquor store. Bets job I’ve ever had. Met my wife while both students working their, met one of the best friends I’ve ever had, and got shit housed for cheap in college.
$18 an hour for what I was doing would have been insane high, lol. I put beer on a shelf and bullshit about wine to over privildged dolts. [/quote]
I made $5.15/hour working my first job, and I never really felt like my time was worth more for the unbelievably menial work I was doing. It sure did motivate me to try hard in school though.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
It sure did motivate me to try hard in school though.[/quote]
Yup… I put roofs on house for $8 an hour for 8 work days and then signed up for college.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]treco wrote:
…When I had a business with mid 6 figure investment out of my pocket, rather than thinking I had to make every last penny, I chose to pay my employees 2-3x what Walmart does. Menial jobs must be performed for our society to function and deserve to be compensated a living wage. Not trying to get them 70" tv sports cars, or beach houses,just honest pay for honest work.
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The Walmart in Kalispell, MT pays around $9.00 hr for a starting cashier. Are you telling me you paid $18 - $27 hr for menial work in your business? Are you kidding me?[/quote]
The minimum wage during the 9 years I had the business from 96 - 05 was $4.75-$5.15/hr. So yes I am saying that I paid my people 2-3X that amount.
I don’t lust for some government intervention, just want companies to value their employees enough to pay them a livable wage, rather than my taxes doing it.
Regarding my being or (or in your eyes lack of being) conservative over the wage issue - I grew up 40 minutes from you in Texas during the same time - so you and I probably share 95% of the same outlook and opinion. Here perhaps is part of the 5%.
First - Min wage is 7.25 which is 14.50 to 21.75
Second - I never said entry level for my business, but after a few weeks of training MY employees were making at least 2X+ minimum wage. If they couldn’t or wouldn’t do the work, I couldn’t keep them on.
Third - most any menial job should only take at most a few months to learn - so yes I could see the employee needing to make more than $15K/year that is full time min wage, if they are perform the task.
Fourth - the buying power of the average of what I paid my guys is equivalent to ~ $17/hr or $35k a year and yes it takes that much to live for a family if you are not getting tax payer assistance.
How do I want the transformation to happen? Surely you can see that the government is either going to set a higher minimum wage or they will just tax the amount needed to get people up to that more livable standard through social programs.
First - Min wage is 7.25 which is 14.50 to 21.75
Second - I never said entry level for my business, but after a few weeks of training MY employees were making at least 2X+ minimum wage. If they couldn’t or wouldn’t do the work, I couldn’t keep them on.
Third - most any menial job should only take at most a few months to learn - so yes I could see the employee needing to make more than $15K/year that is full time min wage, if they are perform the task.
Fourth - the buying power of the average of what I paid my guys is equivalent to ~ $17/hr or $35k a year and yes it takes that much to live for a family if you are not getting tax payer assistance.
How do I want the transformation to happen? Surely you can see that the government is either going to set a higher minimum wage or they will just tax the amount needed to get people up to that more livable standard through social programs.
[quote]treco wrote:
First - Min wage is 7.25 which is 14.50 to 21.75[/quote]
Here in CA the min. wage is a flat $8. In SF, it’s $10.50. Minimum wage isn’t the same everywhere. In some areas of the country, $7.25 in more than enough to survive.
[quote]treco wrote:
Second - I never said entry level for my business, but after a few weeks of training MY employees were making at least 2X+ minimum wage. If they couldn’t or wouldn’t do the work, I couldn’t keep them on. [/quote]
Entry level job doesn’t mean in training. It means a new employee performing menial tasks.
[quote]treco wrote:
Third - most any menial job should only take at most a few months to learn - so yes I could see the employee needing to make more than $15K/year that is full time min wage, if they are perform the task.[/quote]
You shouldn’t be trying to raise a family and plan retirement on minimum wage. Minimum wage is meant for people like high school and college students, immigrants that don’t know the language and lack marketable skills, felons who have no other option and just need a job to meet parole, etc. It is not meant to be something one can raise a family on. It’s a stepping stone, something to put on the resume. I’m sorry if someone made bad life choices (or is just to lazy to work hard), but that’s not my responsibility. If your choices put you in this situation, either suck it up or bust your ass to get out of it.
[quote]treco wrote:
Fourth - the buying power of the average of what I paid my guys is equivalent to ~ $17/hr or $35k a year and yes it takes that much to live for a family if you are not getting tax payer assistance.[/quote]
Well, there you go. Two people working minimum wage are at $30K a year. That’s enough to rent a small, but nice, apartment, keep the lights on, and put food on the table. Kids are in school during the day, they go to after school sports or police or church or other free (or very cheap) after school programs til someone’s home…Where’s the problem? It’s not ideal, it’s not how I plan to raise my family, but it can be done. Your choices, your consequences; make the best of them.
[quote]treco wrote:
How do I want the transformation to happen? Surely you can see that the government is either going to set a higher minimum wage or they will just tax the amount needed to get people up to that more livable standard through social programs. [/quote]
How about instead of the government getting involved, people stop trying to live on minimum wage? Go to college if you can. Go to trade school maybe. Find an apprenticeship. Hell, when I was an EMT I almost quite to make more as a locksmith. Local company was hiring. They covered all training and everything. Only requirement was a clean criminal background. But I was making enough and liked my company and the job itself, so didn’t…the options are out there, but if you’re gonna to choose to sit behind the cash register of walmart and not attempt to find another opportunity, don’t whine to me about how you need more money.
Article I Section 8 gives ability to regulate commerce,
US v Darby (1940) shot down the argument federal min wage was unconstitutional
Look - my point of view is that “The workman is worthy of his wage” and I followed that in my pay scale.
Since companies don’t do that in select industries, the government does it for them.
Funny how you are standing up for Walmart based on 1 19 y/o that you know. They and all of their ilk (Lowes, Home Depot, any big box store basically) consider employees to be a barely tolerable liability line item.
They fire workers for going to a funeral of a close relative. They have workers go home after 2 hours , so as to not exceed hours to be held liable for having a full time worker. They don’t pay for crap to the vast majority of their ‘associates’.
I only know these things from having a non ending stream of their employees trying to come to work at my place for years.
Not this minimum wage bullshit again.
Do you guys seriously still not get that a minimum wage law is not a mandatory employment law?
If you are not worth the new and improved minimum wage you will lose you job, that is all that is going to happen.