Why Do You Need to Train First

All of the guys who know their stuff about AAS advise that you should get in at least a few years of solid training before usinf AAS.

The advice is to take your body as far as you can naturally before you step over to the dark side.

I am wondering is this advice based on strict medical reasons or is it more of a morality thing?

Basically why can’t a guy who is thin and weak and has never trained start using AAS the same time he starts training?

Surely he is going to receive all the benifits from increased test levels and he will improve his size and strength a lot quicker than he would naturally?

Using AAS from the start will have no negative effects will it? so why do you recommend not to use straight away?

Cheers

Well one reason that I know of. Is there tendons and joints will not be able to take the punishment of a good training cycle. You could end up with more injuries then good growth.

Also the other reason I know is that newbies don’t know how to train or use proper form. Also they don’t really know how to eat right and sleep well.

It will work for them but what I have stated above is risky. So why not just dial in on what is normal growth and them bring it right over the top.

[quote]electric_eales wrote:

All of the guys who know their stuff about AAS advise that you should get in at least a few years of solid training before usinf AAS.

The advice is to take your body as far as you can naturally before you step over to the dark side.

I am wondering is this advice based on strict medical reasons or is it more of a morality thing?

Basically why can’t a guy who is thin and weak and has never trained start using AAS the same time he starts training?

Surely he is going to receive all the benifits from increased test levels and he will improve his size and strength a lot quicker than he would naturally?

Using AAS from the start will have no negative effects will it? so why do you recommend not to use straight away?

Cheers[/quote]

just because their using aas dosen’t mean they are going to get huge, they need proper training and nutrition, but on the other hand they would most likely get bigger and stronger but If the person is taking all of these risks you would think they would want to get the most out of it

I think something really interesting to do (if it was even possiable) would be to take some newbie with no training of proper age, and then allow a seasoned steroid user to train and consruct a diet.

It would be interesting to see the amount of mass and,strength in wich the newbie could gain

It would be really time consuming the results could be interesting

I don’t know but I spent years building my base and at some point after a few years, gains start getting hard to come by. You could spend years getting those last few extra lbs. IMO I think people should have at least 2 years of training natural before hitting gear. I did a few cycles and stopped for year and still built a lot of muscle but it was very hard an it took a while.

Cheers guys, I am wondering though Hagar what do you base your opinion on? Why do you believe someone should train first?

I am not sure about the stresses caused to tendons or joints, for a begineer this would be the case with or without AAS, as long as they had a good trainer and did not over do it I cannot see why strain would be caused to the loint/ligaments

ee, I think the issue may just plainly come down to potential. If you can reach the pinnacle of natural progress, then you can use AAS to surpass nature’s limits. However, if you use AAS before you reach your natural limit, then it when you finally do get to a natural limit, and you use AAS again, you won’t make as good gains as you COULD have.

All that is based on the supposition that you are more or less in your 20s at least. If you are a teenager, you still have a high level of test in you, which could be used to make great gains NATURALLY, which goes back to trying to reach your natural limit, and then using AAS to surpass your ‘natural’ limit.

Other than that, I guess it would be hard to convince you on why a youngin’ shouldn’t be using.

Tico, I am no young’un myself, don’t get me wrong I am just curious about this issuse.

I am 32 myself and have ran 6 cycles so far.

My questions may seem inane and a bit leftfield but it all helps me understand AAS better.

I like what you are saying about using to reach what would have been a natural peak, and then having to use even more AAS to exceed that becuase you have already used, that makes a lot of sense, cheers

[quote]dirtbag wrote:
Well one reason that I know of. Is there tendons and joints will not be able to take the punishment of a good training cycle. You could end up with more injuries then good growth.
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Bingo! A good steroid cycle would almost guarantee that a newbie’s strength increases would far outpace the development of his support structures. That’s why (besides learning proper form) it’s often recommended they start out with high reps and lighter loads. It takes far longer to build up tendons, joints, and ligaments than muscle mass/strength. Accelerating strength gains in a body that’s not ready for those stresses is an accident waiting to happen. You wouldn’t put a driving school student behind the wheel of a MacLaren F1 would you???

[quote]Kruiser wrote:
dirtbag wrote:
Well one reason that I know of. Is there tendons and joints will not be able to take the punishment of a good training cycle. You could end up with more injuries then good growth.

Bingo! A good steroid cycle would almost guarantee that a newbie’s strength increases would far outpace the development of his support structures. That’s why (besides learning proper form) it’s often recommended they start out with high reps and lighter loads. It takes far longer to build up tendons, joints, and ligaments than muscle mass/strength. Accelerating strength gains in a body that’s not ready for those stresses is an accident waiting to happen. You wouldn’t put a driving school student behind the wheel of a MacLaren F1 would you???

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Ok but does using AAS not increase strentgh by a percentile basis

lets say for example:

A newbie can curl a 20lb dumbell for reps, he takes a full AAS course this increases his strength by about 30% so he can now curl 28.5lbs for reps

Adding a 25% extra strain on his joint support structure

Same is with a guy who has trained naturally for a few years he can curl 40lbs then he uses AAS and that increases his stength by 30% he can now curl 57lbs is the extra 17lbs being curled not more of a damge to this guys tendons than the eatra 8lbs curled by the newbie?

I dont really care if a person juices up if hes a newbie or a veteran. but I will say this ive seen newbies blow the fuck up from doing a cycle. and ive seen guys doing the same cycle also newbies gain 15lbs of water and lose it all.

I think the main reasons are to get the most out of it and to prevent injury. It takes time to figure out how to train and eat and while a little help right from the start would be good, you get into that it’s never as good as the first time thing. If you start heavy juicing right from the start,completely untrained and you eat well and lift heavy you will increase your strength a lot and very fast. This creates the potential for injury. When you start out you get strong fast, much more than in those examples. Add in AAS and you could get injured. Lots of knuckleheads juice hard from day one and are fine, but no one should recommend it.

[quote]electric_eales wrote:
Cheers guys, I am wondering though Hagar what do you base your opinion on? Why do you believe someone should train first?

I am not sure about the stresses caused to tendons or joints, for a begineer this would be the case with or without AAS, as long as they had a good trainer and did not over do it I cannot see why strain would be caused to the loint/ligaments[/quote]

Your question is a good one. I’ll try to give an answer, not sure if it relates but hear me out.

I started lifting weights when I was 15 years old. I was a fat thin kid (if there is such a thing). I had no balance and because of asthma I could hardly even do 10reps with the empty bar! That’s how pathetic I was.

I was lucky that the times were different and there was no internet. The gym that I joined had a bunch of guys, some were known to take “stuff” in order to grow. I didn’t know anything so whatever people would tell me I would do.

HIT-did it
High volume - did it
Powerlifting - did it
Twice a day training - did it
Whole body - did it
Once a week - did it
Training splits - did it

You name the protocol and I have probably done it. Now after those 5 years of craziness I found what suited my uper body. However my lower body always lacked behind. No matter what I did it never seemed to grow. Particularly my quads. Years later I found out that I had a spinal problem and full squats were aggravating the condition, but I digress…

In the next five years (5-9) I learned to tweak my training to fit my schedule and how important cardio was. From being an asthmatic I was able to run 2 marathons. Lost a buch of muscle and fucked up one knee that to this day still bothers, but I set my mind to do it and I accomplished it.

Now during this time (about 4 years) I stopped lifting and concentrated on the running and had a runners body (thin and jittery).

When I came to Japan 6 years ago I decided that my phase of running was over and that it was time to lift again. I already knew what was best for my body and in 3 years gained most of my weight back. It was here that I learned how to train and separate the sections of my legs in order to grow them and balance cardio with weights for faster leg recuperation.

So for me the learning of how my body worked 14 years ago was never forgotten, however my metabolism had changed and I was carrying too much fat for my taste. It was in this last 4 years that I took it upon myself to learn what foods agreed with my body, what were the best combinations for me and what diet schedule I could live with for the rest of my life. It was in this time that I decided to jump on the darkside and use it as my only means of “supplementation”. Nothing else because I knew that supplements can never replace whole foods. I have a built that at 40 everyone thinks I am 24.

I made far too many mistakes at the start, but came handicapped with some major roadblocks to overcome. If I had taken the shortest route, there is no doubt in my mind that I would have either heart, liver or cardiovascular problems because I didn’t know proper training volume and intensity cycling, proper nutritional support and proper rest.

That is what training first gives you before jumping on darkside.

Of course people are different and personal histories are that…personal. If you come from a family background that is athletic, that have since your infancy taught correct nutritional habits and lived in a country that espouses physical well-being then you can start sooner and reach higher. But living in Japan has taught me that some societies are completely against muscularity and men. And that no matter how much effort you put forth, your attitudes dictate how you succeed in lifting and life in general.