[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
mldj wrote:
I think boxer’s fracture is fracture of one of the metacarpals - usually of the pinky or index finger, as they are smaller and less supported by the wrist and hand bones.
Last time I was in a fight, I managed to get myself one of these - fracture of the fifth metacarpal hand bone.
Of course, I thought I can fight… Oh, well. Didn’t get an invasive treatment, so the bone healed a little off place. My grip suffered a little, but fortunately, I managed to pass my “yellow belt” period without further accidents.
Usually it’s either the pinky or ring finger metacarpal.
One of the black belts I train with is also an ER nurse and has said that he’s never seen anyone come in with a broken pointer or middle finger metacarpal due a misplaced punch. He has seen plenty of pinky and ring metacarpal fractures though.
Which, is one of the primary reasons I’m not a big fan of vertical fist punching.[/quote]
Excuse me, English is not my first language. Of course, I meant ring finger.
The middle and index finger metacarpals have a lot better support from the bones in the palm, in addition to being significantly sturdier, so you must really overreach yourself to break them with a regular punch, IMHO.
[quote]Sick Rick wrote:
boxingash wrote:
Tyson also once told a female reporter that he didn’t give interviews with women unless he could fornicate with them.
Hilarious
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I’ve interviewed a couple fighters and no one has ever said that to me… Don’t know what I’d do… You need the interview but don’t want to get raped hahaha…
Fight talk is like discussing dick measurments in high school
You know none of your friends will probably ever see it so you automaticly have an 8 inch tool
No, that saying is about the white belt being the “worst” person to “spar” with. That is because their movements are “artless” and therefore much of the precision defensive skills that most Martial Artists practice don’t work as well (and sometimes not at all) against them.
That doesn’t mean that people who don’t know how to fight are the most dangerous though.
So I know that wrestling matches (which are a controlled environment with rules) are a far cry from a street fight, but I’ll confirm that it could be slightly disorienting to wrestle against a complete noob because, as Sento describes with martial artists, their movements can be somewhat unpredictable, whereas a guy that’s been on the mat for a few months will be slightly “predictable” (stance, general footwork, etc). That doesn’t mean noobs are the toughest to wrestle, only that it’s temporarily disconcerting at the start of the match because they don’t react the “normal” way to most movements, so sometimes a trained wrestler will look silly because they take a leg shot and expect the guy to react a certain way, and instead he just does nothing (so you end up pushing against expected resistance that never comes).
Now, a street fight is a whole lot different animal, and a more dangerous environment because a wild blow that connects could do some serious damage, whereas in wrestling the only thing that happens is you give up 2 points before reversing the guy and likely pinning him. But I still think Sento is right - a guy who doesn’t know how to fight / spar / wrestle can be frustrating, that doesn’t make them more dangerous than someone who knows what they’re doing.
The problem with people that have no experience in any martial skill is not that the unpredictability is a problem for you; if you are not careful it is a problem for them because their awkwardness can get themselves seriously hurt; they do not know how to move to keep themselves from getting hurt. I see this often in youth wrestling when a kid chokes himself on the other kid or moves in a way as to hurt themselves. Of course the parent gets mad and then it has to be explained how the child hurt themselves; all to the consternation of the parent.
There are a couple of points to tease out of this. First off, sparring is that – war games. You are not trying to hurt the other person so your options are limited. Most beginners try hard to do techniques and are just ineffective. This is fine. Some really have no concept of what they are doing and think it is all some video game. That you are trying to teach them something and have their safety in mind can be your downfall.
A friend of mine that runs an Aikido dojo narrowly avoided getting both legs broken one night with a beginner. They were supposed to do some light randori and about 3 seconds into it, the newbie did a high speed shoulder roll right through the instructors knees. What the Hell? He countered (or tried to) with a sprawl at the last second but still sprained both of them. Oh, the newb had seen it in a movie or something and thought he should try it because he was feeling like he had rolls down. He had a vague idea of injury (injuries are just “owies” and maybe sting for a second or two) but really apparently didn’t seem to understand what a pair of broken legs is going to do to your health for the rest of your life.
Other times you just get assholes. One guy I had (I do/teach jujutsu) really thought we were doing Fight Club and would try to blast people with punches and pound on them if he could and I do mean pound on them as in administer a beating after they were down if we didn’t pull him off. My turn to work with him. I put up with the for a wee bit then slammed as a counter to a sloppy suplex as f-ing hard as I could on hardwood. TKO’ed him conclusively. Why? Because it was clear that no amount of talking was going to deter him and as long as he was “winning” he was going to keep pounding on people, so he had to lose so thoroughly even he could understand it. He didn’t come back. Seems “Victory or Death” only works as long as you are winning.
Years ago Shihan Walt was teaching a seminar with Tony Blauer and Blauer was discussing ambush attacks. Tony meant to say, “Ok, now we’re going to talk about the ‘Science of the Suckerpunch’,” but instead said, “Ok, now we’re going to talk about the Sucker of the Science Punch.” He of course immediately corrected himself, but after the seminar Shihan Walt pointed out to him that in fact what he had said quite eloquently illustrates why many trained Martial Artists have such a hard time with newbies and in real fights; they become so accustomed to seeing “precision” technique execution and having their opponents/partners move in specific ways that they become thrown off by “artless” execution.
Yeah, I’ve had experienced with those types. Some people have just gotta learn the hard way I guess, and even if they leave and never come back you are better off (just make sure they sign the liability waiver first!) as you don’t need or want bullies in your school.
Once when I was studying Aikido I was paired off with a woman who was very out of shape and inexperienced, so I was letting her throw me just so I could have falling practice and she could get used to the motion of the move we were learning. Then the assistant instructor came over, explained something quietly to her, and then suddenly the student performed the throw correctly and with her 300 pounds of body weight behind it. I nearly fell into the weapons rack because I was doping off and didn’t expect it.
the “I” suck moment for me came when I saw my first full contact fight. as the song goes “those guys were fast as lightning, in fact it was a little bit frightening”