…If we can have “pride”, why can’t they have “pride” over helping establish us as a nation? “Pride” that they have much lower crime rates, lower criminal rates, lower gun death rates, ect ect
…?
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
…If we can have “pride”, why can’t they have “pride” over helping establish us as a nation? “Pride” that they have much lower crime rates, lower criminal rates, lower gun death rates, ect ect
…?
Of course they can. And should.
But that’s no reason for the constant anti-American shit we get from them.
I doubt you would dispute the fact that the amount of anti-US posting that comes from European members far outreaches the amount of European criticism from US members (except maybe as a form of “self-defense” in response).
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Comment for comment? Yeah.
But if we assigned a “What’choo talkin bout poster?” value to each, I’d say they’re about even.
Criticism of American policy is different than America bashing. Just as Euro-bashing is different than criticizing European policy. The Euro-bashers here rarely talk about policy, they just bash. The America-bashers however, are usually criticizing policy first, and bashin second.
Obviously, their are some exceptions.
This may offer insight into one country in particular’s views…
While Sweden Slept
By BRUCE BAWER
December 8, 2006
…Sweden is, after all, a country in which the people are fed by their political, press, and intellectual establishment an unvarying diet of propaganda promoting the socialist welfare state, demonizing Israel, and whitewashing Islam. As for America, the official view was neatly captured in a post-September 11 editorial in the nation’s largest newspaper, Aftonbladet, which assured readers that the terrorists who attacked New York and Washington weren’t Sweden’s enemies but simply hated “U.S. imperialism,” a reasonable position given that “the U.S. is the greatest mass murderer of our time.” Such views, taught in Sweden’s classrooms and enshrined in Sweden’s state-approved schoolbooks, are reiterated daily by Sweden’s mainstream press organizations, all of which are either government-owned or government-subsidized.
Dissent is powerfully discouraged. In Sweden, whose murder rate is currently twice that of America and where Muslims now constitute over 10% of the population and are disproportionately unemployed and prone to violence, the Swedish press routinely depicts America as crime-ridden. Polls show that the majority of Swedes are deeply disturbed by their country’s dramatic social changes and highly critical of the policies that brought them about. Yet the crime and violence generally go unreported, so only rarely does any of the criticism seep into the press. Though two-thirds of Swedes question whether Islam is compatible with Western society, this issue is simply not open for public discussion.
To quote Jonathan Friedman, a New Yorker who teaches social anthropology at the University of Lund, “no debate about immigration policies is possible” because Sweden’s “political class,” which controls public debate, simply avoids the topic. Recently, the city of Stockholm carried out a survey of ninth-grade boys in the predominantly Muslim suburb of Rinkeby. The survey showed that in the last year, 17% of the boys had forced someone to have sex, 31% had hurt someone so badly that the victim required medical care, and 24% had committed burglary or broken into a car. Sensational statistics �?? but in all of Sweden, they appear to have been published only in a daily newssheet that is distributed free on the subways.
Instead of reporting on such worrisome findings, politicians and the press alike focus on the evils of America and Israel. Last year, for instance, Sweden’s state-owned TV network ran a series of “documentaries” about America that included Michael Moore’s “Bowling for Columbine.” Viewers were protected from the fact that it had been shown to contain lies and fabrications. The series also included a sympathetic account of Stalin’s atomic spies Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, whom Swedish TV described as having been executed not for history’s most colossal act of treason but “for their Communist sympathies,” and something called “Why We Fight,” which explained America’s military actions as motivated by the avarice of military contractors.
Swedish book publishing is similarly unbalanced. Recently Michael Moynihan, an American writer based in Stockholm, toted up the English-language political books that had been translated into Swedish since September 11. His long list included several works apiece by Noam Chomsky and Michael Moore, plus volumes by the communist historian Eric Hobsbawm, the anti-American journalist John Pilger, and the “Holocaust industry” critic Norman Finkelstein. On the entire list, only one author was not a leftist.
…
Mr. Bawer is the author of “While Europe Slept” and lives in Oslo, Norway
http://www.nysun.com/article/44831
[quote]Chushin wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
If some Americans showed a little more humility they may endear themselves to people outsidethe US more, but with some Americans making comments like;
We are the best
We have the best army
We have the biggest economy
We can go kick anyones ass
We saved your ass in WWII
While I agree with your sentiment (some of us can be really arrogant), most of what you’ve written above is FACT.
Perhaps it is THAT that bothers you?[/quote]
Can you give me one good reason why that might even begin to bother me?
I have a shit load of cash in the bank, A nice big house a wonderful and healthy family who get to spend lots of quality time together, this is all I really give a shit about to honest.
I have political opinions like most people but the fact that America is the lone super power in the world does not bother me at all, I am bothered about how the American goverment weilds it power but that is just my personal opinion.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
Chushin wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
so you justify doing some bad shit by saying that some other people did some even badder shit before you?
No.
But we DO expect the assholes who did the “badder shit” to show a little humility and to NOT take a self-righteous, pompous, arrogant attitude toward us.
Now that you mention humility in this thread it has made me realise that this is something rather important to the original question.
If some Americans showed a little more humility they may endear themselves to people outsidethe US more, but with some Americans making comments like;
We are the best
We have the best army
We have the biggest economy
We can go kick anyones ass
We saved your ass in WWII
I think if the Americans who chant out those types of statements showed a little more humility there would be less negative feeling towards Americans in Europe.
You’re asking Americans to have the moral philosphy of earth worms, who coil up when touched. Humility is NOT a virtue. Pride, rational pride, is. We are proud that we are the one who have kept the rest of the world from sinking back into the barbaric swamps from which it came. You now want us to adopt the ‘humility’ of swamp-cultures that consider being ‘meek and humble’ a virtue? How does one save a world by being some meek and humble earth worm?
Nietzsche sure had you Europeans pegged.
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I thought you had finished with this thread
stop now you are boring
[quote]Grimnuruk wrote:
This may offer insight into one country in particular’s views…
While Sweden Slept
By BRUCE BAWER
December 8, 2006
…[/quote]
Seriously Grin, I thought that was an Uncyclopedia entry. Can you please explain how it pertains to the thread?
US says it has right to kidnap British citizens
David Leppard
[i]AMERICA has told Britain that it can “kidnap” British citizens if they are wanted for crimes in the United States.
A senior lawyer for the American government has told the Court of Appeal in London that kidnapping foreign citizens is permissible under American law because the US Supreme Court has sanctioned it. [/i]
I know, I know, I should know better than to quote the Sunday Times, but if the story has a shred of truth in it, it may answer many of HH’s interrogations.
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
…If we can have “pride”, why can’t they have “pride” over helping establish us as a nation? “Pride” that they have much lower crime rates, lower criminal rates, lower gun death rates, ect ect
…?[/quote]
They have much lower teststerone levels (witness the declining populations and fertility rates). Sure they have less crime — they’re becoming ‘meek and humble’ eunuchs.
All the high test guys got killed off in the wars. Hitler’s Lebensborn program was an attempt to counter that, to keep testosterone in Europe. Even he recognized that europe was done for, unless he could revitalize masculinity, to compete with America.
Why is China rising now? Their one child per family law encourages families to have boys. China is becoming more masculine, at the same time europe is becoming a continent of meek eunuchs and American boys have to be ‘feminized’ by the Left wing kooks.
We’re goat-fucked.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
…If we can have “pride”, why can’t they have “pride” over helping establish us as a nation? “Pride” that they have much lower crime rates, lower criminal rates, lower gun death rates, ect ect
…?
They have much lower teststerone levels (witness the declining populations and fertility rates). Sure they have less crime — they’re becoming ‘meek and humble’ eunuchs.
All the high test guys got killed off in the wars. Hitler’s Lebensborn program was an attempt to counter that, to keep testosterone in Europe. Even he recognized that europe was done for, unless he could revitalize masculinity, to compete with America.
Why is China rising now? Their one child per family law encourages families to have boys. China is becoming more masculine, at the same time europe is becoming a continent of meek eunuchs and American boys have to be ‘feminized’ by the Left wing kooks.
We’re goat-fucked.
[/quote]
Congratulations you have now achieved the honor of posting the most amount of bollox on the internet ever
What Is ‘Anti-Americanism’?
Posted by Lew Rockwell at December 2, 2007 08:11 AM
I still remember being struck a few years ago when I realized that “anti-American” meant disliking the US presidency’s wars, spying, interfering, and control. It’s how the neocons, advocates of an unamerican fascist state, can call libertarians, Peace Republicans, and Peace Democrats “anti-American,” not to mention any foreigner who doesn’t want to be a colonist for neo-DC.
So here is another reason civilized people feel threatened by the US principate: the US now claims the right to kidnap any British or other foreign citizen and “render” him to the US for trial if the US claims he is guilty of a crime.
[quote]orion wrote:
What Is ‘Anti-Americanism’?
Posted by Lew Rockwell at December 2, 2007 08:11 AM
I still remember being struck a few years ago when I realized that “anti-American” meant disliking the US presidency’s wars, spying, interfering, and control. It’s how the neocons, advocates of an unamerican fascist state, can call libertarians, Peace Republicans, and Peace Democrats “anti-American,” not to mention any foreigner who doesn’t want to be a colonist for neo-DC.
So here is another reason civilized people feel threatened by the US principate: the US now claims the right to kidnap any British or other foreign citizen and “render” him to the US for trial if the US claims he is guilty of a crime.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/017346.html[/quote]
Hysteria.
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Mr Jones, QC, a British lawyer representing the US, is making this claim on behalf of the US. No US govt official has had comment, and none will, in the abstract, in a British Court. The case in question was one of legal extradition.
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Has this ever happened? Oh, yes, we know about the CIA and extraterritoreal prisons. But has anyone in recent memory been kidnapped from the UK and tried in the US? When it happens, American legal processes will be amply protective.
Hysteria breeds hysteria.
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
orion wrote:
What Is ‘Anti-Americanism’?
Posted by Lew Rockwell at December 2, 2007 08:11 AM
I still remember being struck a few years ago when I realized that “anti-American” meant disliking the US presidency’s wars, spying, interfering, and control. It’s how the neocons, advocates of an unamerican fascist state, can call libertarians, Peace Republicans, and Peace Democrats “anti-American,” not to mention any foreigner who doesn’t want to be a colonist for neo-DC.
So here is another reason civilized people feel threatened by the US principate: the US now claims the right to kidnap any British or other foreign citizen and “render” him to the US for trial if the US claims he is guilty of a crime.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/017346.html
Hysteria.
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Mr Jones, QC, a British lawyer representing the US, is making this claim on behalf of the US. No US govt official has had comment, and none will, in the abstract, in a British Court. The case in question was one of legal extradition.
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Has this ever happened? Oh, yes, we know about the CIA and extraterritoreal prisons. But has anyone in recent memory been kidnapped from the UK and tried in the US? When it happens, American legal processes will be amply protective.
Hysteria breeds hysteria.
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What actually has happened is that European citizens have been kidnapped by US agents, were NOT shipped to the US to face a coourt, but to secret locations were they were tortured and later released.
Several US agents are wanted in Italy and Germany.
How can that be hysteria if the US has already done worse?
PS: And no I will not provide links because I have already done so in at least three different threads of this board.
[quote]lixy wrote:
but if the story has a shred of truth in it, it may answer many of HH’s interrogations. [/quote]
I’ll see if I can find it in a Murdoch paper. We will know it’s fake for sure.
[quote]orion wrote:
PS: And no I will not provide links because I have already done so in at least three different threads of this board.
[/quote]
What are you worried about? All the threads end up the same. America is “Great Satan”.
post a link to the thread in question.
[quote]electric_eales wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
…If we can have “pride”, why can’t they have “pride” over helping establish us as a nation? “Pride” that they have much lower crime rates, lower criminal rates, lower gun death rates, ect ect
…?
They have much lower teststerone levels (witness the declining populations and fertility rates). Sure they have less crime — they’re becoming ‘meek and humble’ eunuchs.
All the high test guys got killed off in the wars. Hitler’s Lebensborn program was an attempt to counter that, to keep testosterone in Europe. Even he recognized that europe was done for, unless he could revitalize masculinity, to compete with America.
Why is China rising now? Their one child per family law encourages families to have boys. China is becoming more masculine, at the same time europe is becoming a continent of meek eunuchs and American boys have to be ‘feminized’ by the Left wing kooks.
We’re goat-fucked.
Congratulations you have now achieved the honor of posting the most amount of bollox on the internet ever
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Why? Weak people are meek and humble, running and hiding when some idiot shakes his fist at them. Look at the Spaniards and their famous vote.
Why do you think Hitler started Lebensborn? The general population didn’t produce enough warriors.
Hell, Europeans have trouble even having children. The Muslims are moving into vacant land, similar to what the barbarian hordes did after Rome emasculated itself.
You seriously need to read your Nietzsche. You’ll then understand Europe.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Why do you think Hitler started Lebensborn? [/quote]
Technically, it was Himmler.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
…If we can have “pride”, why can’t they have “pride” over helping establish us as a nation? “Pride” that they have much lower crime rates, lower criminal rates, lower gun death rates, ect ect
…?
They have much lower teststerone levels (witness the declining populations and fertility rates). Sure they have less crime — they’re becoming ‘meek and humble’ eunuchs.
All the high test guys got killed off in the wars. Hitler’s Lebensborn program was an attempt to counter that, to keep testosterone in Europe. Even he recognized that europe was done for, unless he could revitalize masculinity, to compete with America.
Why is China rising now? Their one child per family law encourages families to have boys. China is becoming more masculine, at the same time europe is becoming a continent of meek eunuchs and American boys have to be ‘feminized’ by the Left wing kooks.
We’re goat-fucked.
Congratulations you have now achieved the honor of posting the most amount of bollox on the internet ever
Why? Weak people are meek and humble, running and hiding when some idiot shakes his fist at them. Look at the Spaniards and their famous vote.
Why do you think Hitler started Lebensborn? The general population didn’t produce enough warriors.
Hell, Europeans have trouble even having children. The Muslims are moving into vacant land, similar to what the barbarian hordes did after Rome emasculated itself.
You seriously need to read your Nietzsche. You’ll then understand Europe.
[/quote]
YAWN
you are repeating yourself and you are very boring
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
orion wrote:
PS: And no I will not provide links because I have already done so in at least three different threads of this board.
What are you worried about? All the threads end up the same. America is “Great Satan”.
post a link to the thread in question.[/quote]
Linking you to the links?
No.
You could know.
If you choose not to, nothing could convince you anyway.
Jesus, even googling CIA kidnappings still has these stories at the top- Never bothered to run the combination through a search engine?