That’s kind of what I am getting at. Almost every article I read, would make you think that bodybuilders are big non-functional and weak. As if Ronnie Coleman will pull a quad muscle if he had to shovel snow. Or I can kick Jay cutler’s ass much easier then roger Federer, because Jay can not straighten his arm.
What I mean by ‘dogged’? Put down, slammed, for example Bantam said “They are athletes that train for looks. Sure, they are strong, but they don’t get sweaty to win.” As if that makes them not as athletic as athletes in other sports.
I seriously think this goes back to the Weider/Hoffman days. bodybuilding is gay and not functional and olympic lifting will give you incomplete development.
Both were trying to dominate the fitness and supplement industry. Hoffman looked at bodybuilding as sort of perverted and icky as opposed to the PRIDE thing of winning gold in the olympics.
Back in the 50s and such bodybuilding was looked at as being gay by many. Even my mom was a little concerned with my muscle builder power mags back in 78. Even then weightlifting was considered good, powerlifting was okay, but flexing in your undies was weird. Arnold helped change that for the better.
The young uns here might not have lived in the days you had to defend weight training, but I have. it was a lot easier to talk geting stronger than developing a better physique. The average joe saw it as useful. Now remember I was a teenager then, so there was a little more defeneding then than now.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
The only time I dog “bodybuilders” is when they walk around telling people they are a “bodybuilder” and act like a fancy boy in the gym when they don’t even compete.
The reason being is, with the exception of a few of the internet icons around here, I know of nobody that walks around calling themself a “powerlifter,” when they don’t actually compete because they would be called out almost immediately.
Until you have done a full meet, you are not a powerlifter you are just a guy who trains. Intentions amount to a pinch of shit as I have watched dozens of guys run their mouth but never enter a meet.
Also, let’s get one thing straight. Benchers aren’t powerlifters, so bench meets don’t count.
The same applies for bodybuilders. Showing up at the gym every day sporting a tan and a string tank top looking at yourself constantly in the mirror and prancing around like a Nancyboy doesn’t count.
Otherwise, I think as a general statement comments like, “bodybuilders train for size, powerlifters train for strength,” is retarded b/c I know of no powerlifters who don’t dedicate a significant portion of their training to building mass, myself included. Ultimately there is a lot of blending of training styles.[/quote]
+1
People nowadays call themselves “bodybuilder,” but they’re essentially a vein “clubbing” guy/gal. The lifting isn’t nearly as hardcore as I see way less weight and way more single joint movements being done. The top guys are probably lifting legit, but as a whole, the ones that call themselves bodybuilders are pretty lame and weak.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
The only time I dog “bodybuilders” is when they walk around telling people they are a “bodybuilder” and act like a fancy boy in the gym when they don’t even compete.
The reason being is, with the exception of a few of the internet icons around here, I know of nobody that walks around calling themself a “powerlifter,” when they don’t actually compete…
…I have watched dozens of guys run their mouth but never enter a meet.
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[quote]apwsearch wrote:
The only time I dog “bodybuilders” is when they walk around telling people they are a “bodybuilder” and act like a fancy boy in the gym when they don’t even compete.
The reason being is, with the exception of a few of the internet icons around here, I know of nobody that walks around calling themself a “powerlifter,” when they don’t actually compete because they would be called out almost immediately.
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I’ve seen people who have competed in bodybuilding contests who don’t even look like they lift weights. I think you need to expand your definitions because if someone has truly made significant progress, lives the lifestyle and now stands out from everyone else because they are carrying that much more muscle mass, avoiding calling them a “bodybuilder” makes no sense at all.
I could see avoiding giving that name to weekend warriors and people who aren’t serious, but if dieting down is the only thing the guy hasn’t done, I think he has earned the title as well.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
The only time I dog “bodybuilders” is when they walk around telling people they are a “bodybuilder” and act like a fancy boy in the gym when they don’t even compete.
The reason being is, with the exception of a few of the internet icons around here, I know of nobody that walks around calling themself a “powerlifter,” when they don’t actually compete because they would be called out almost immediately.
Until you have done a full meet, you are not a powerlifter you are just a guy who trains. Intentions amount to a pinch of shit as I have watched dozens of guys run their mouth but never enter a meet.
Also, let’s get one thing straight. Benchers aren’t powerlifters, so bench meets don’t count.
The same applies for bodybuilders. Showing up at the gym every day sporting a tan and a string tank top looking at yourself constantly in the mirror and prancing around like a Nancyboy doesn’t count.
Otherwise, I think as a general statement comments like, “bodybuilders train for size, powerlifters train for strength,” is retarded b/c I know of no powerlifters who don’t dedicate a significant portion of their training to building mass, myself included. Ultimately there is a lot of blending of training styles.[/quote]
Same with ‘weightlifers’. Few guys compete (Snatch, Clean and Jerk). Going to the gym and actuallly moving a weight (lifting) doesn’t mean your a weightlifter! You may actually pick up weights and lift them but that isn’t weightlifting!
But yeah funny how people call themselves a bodybuilder but never compete…you train to look better. Nothing wrong with that. I train to lift more in competition in the Snatch and Clean and Jerk. Not many guys will train that, let aloone compete.
[quote]the neck wrote:
I think that generally people with differing goals tend to want to prove that their goal is superior. While a bodybuilder trains for astethic qualities, a power lifter trains to improve 3 lifts and a person engaging in organized sports tends to want to be stronger, faster for their specific sport.
All three people may train their hearts out, and have qualities that each other might want or admire, but the trend on this board, right now, is to try and prove that the way “you” train is the best, only way to train.
Instead, we should all respect the fact that we all want to “train” as opposed to “work out” to reach our goals and that we work harder than your average gym goer that spends more time reading magazines and talking then actually lifting.[/quote]
Well said. If the guy next to you is busting his ass give him respect and realize your goals may not be the same as his.
I used to work in a fuffy gym(don’t diss I made tons of $$) anyway I had a trainer giving me shite about how I have no conventinal strengh etc etc (I never considered myself a bodybuilder more powerlifting.
Anyway he wanted me to do some push ups on a swiss ball I did them and instead of giving me props he mumbled conventional strengh thing and would always belittle me
Bodybuilders, real bodybuilders, get dogged (behind their backs, haha) partly because most people don’t have what it takes to get there and are jealous and partly because of the sexual insecurity many dudes have and therefore write it off as being gay. People will pull the most ridiculous shit to justify their laziness and pussitus.
I also agree with the thoughts about the label of bodybuilder being all fucked up. When I was training for mass, I got up to 235-240 after starting at 165. Even then, I didn’t consider myself a bodybuilder yet. I had a long way to go. Now that my goals are different, I wonder how far I could’ve taken it. But I digress.
There are a group of kids at my college who I met through a friend. These guys are pathetically weak and small yet call themselves bodybuilders. They’re usually in the gym when I get there, and still there when I leave, curling and benching, but mostly talking. I have given up training for size yet I’m much bigger than they are still. I overhead one of them say today, referring to another guy in their group that he was a “MONSTER!”. That guy is 6’3 and 190 tops.
That type of shit is also part of the reason bodybuilding catches a bad name. Ronnie was right about people wanting to be bodybuilders yet not wanting to lift heavy.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
Until you have done a full meet, you are not a powerlifter you are just a guy who trains.[/quote]
I’ve competed in a number of powerlifting meets and I still don’t call myself a powerlifter. I consider myself a long time gym rat who just so happens to have competed at powerlifting for the fuck of it. Now if I was good enough to seriously compete at the national or world level, then maybe I’d consider myself a powerlifter.
All in all this whole argument is silly, who gives a shit what people want to call themselves. If some guy wants to call himself a bodybuilder, or powerlifter, or punk rocker (even though he’s never played in a punk rock band), or a fart salesman, so what, I don’t think it’s anything any one else should spend time worrying about.
[quote]ChuckyT wrote:
apwsearch wrote:
The only time I dog “bodybuilders” is when they walk around telling people they are a “bodybuilder” and act like a fancy boy in the gym when they don’t even compete.
The reason being is, with the exception of a few of the internet icons around here, I know of nobody that walks around calling themself a “powerlifter,” when they don’t actually compete…
…I have watched dozens of guys run their mouth but never enter a meet.
A.) The general public see bodybuilders as the definition of strength when powerlifters, olympic lifters, and fighters often are overlooked.
B.) Fancy boys in the gym.
C.) Bodybuilding competitions are done when the participant is at his physically weakest, takes little athletic ability while posing (of course they are athletic in the gym though) in little pink (sometimes) speedos. They are modeling.
D.) Steroids (used by all athletes, but bodybuilding is like a steroid billboard.
I think the backlash is more towards the popular image towards bodybuilding create by the likes of Weider magazines and not type of bodybuilders on T-Nation, even though fancy boys come here too.
[quote]JeffR wrote:
ChuckyT wrote:
apwsearch wrote:
The only time I dog “bodybuilders” is when they walk around telling people they are a “bodybuilder” and act like a fancy boy in the gym when they don’t even compete.
The reason being is, with the exception of a few of the internet icons around here, I know of nobody that walks around calling themself a “powerlifter,” when they don’t actually compete…
…I have watched dozens of guys run their mouth but never enter a meet.
What I mean by ‘dogged’? Put down, slammed, for example Bantam said “They are athletes that train for looks. Sure, they are strong, but they don’t get sweaty to win.” As if that makes them not as athletic as athletes in other sports.[/quote]
He asked a question and I gave an answer. I have nothing against bodybuilders.
[quote]JeffR wrote:
ChuckyT wrote:
apwsearch wrote:
The only time I dog “bodybuilders” is when they walk around telling people they are a “bodybuilder” and act like a fancy boy in the gym when they don’t even compete.
The reason being is, with the exception of a few of the internet icons around here, I know of nobody that walks around calling themself a “powerlifter,” when they don’t actually compete…
…I have watched dozens of guys run their mouth but never enter a meet.
Hmmmmmm… I agree!
pox?
JeffR
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But Jeffy, you don’t even lift weights.
Unearth, that was a good post. It seems some people have some personal issues if what someone calls themselves in the gym becomes that much of a problem for them.
I also agree that some kids in the gym half assing a workout wouldn’t be considered much of anything by anyone else. I personally would consider someone like Vic Richards a “bodybuilder” even though he doesn’t compete. It seems some here would avoid giving him that classification simply because he has avoided jumping on stage. That truly makes no sense.
Unearth, that was a good post. It seems some people have some personal issues if what someone calls themselves in the gym becomes that much of a problem for them.
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Tell you what. Since it seems to cause you such pain, I think an exception can be made. I hereby grant you the title of, “Bodybuilder.”
I think what can be done is we will set up an internet equivalency program. After a person spends sufficient time on the internet convincing themselves and a bunch of people who have no means of determining their true identity just how much more muscular they are than everybody else, an e-certificate shall be issued proclaiming this designation for all to see. It can even be used as an avatar!
Afterall, this is hard work and I wouldn’t want to let it slip by unnoticed.
Your analogy of a guy stepping on the stage and looking like he never trained is the same thing as when we take some of our teen lifters to their first meet.
I have had male lifters with less than 6 months training under their belts but who wanted to do the meet with everybody else post really low totals However, the difference is that they grew a sack and got it done.
I stand by what I said and if it hurts your feelings or makes you think I have “issues,” tough shit.
I don’t personally give a shit at all what an individual wants to call themselves, but reserving labels descriptive of activity to those who compete is nonsensical on every level.
I’ve never been on a race track in my life, but I’m pretty sure I’m still a driver.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I don’t personally give a shit at all what an individual wants to call themselves, but reserving labels descriptive of activity to those who compete is nonsensical on every level.
I’ve never been on a race track in my life, but I’m pretty sure I’m still a driver.[/quote]
Oh for crying out loud. OK, I’ll bite.
I am really don’t give a shit what other people call themselves with the exception of people who go out of their way to project a certain image/lifestyle that is shallow and almost entirely ego driven. If you have been going to gyms for more than a year, you know the type I am talking about.
It comes down to wether or not you see BB as a competitive endeavor. I do, you don’t. I will sleep fine tonite and so will you.
It’s the same thing as a guy who posts his log on the internet and reveals enough about himself that you know he has never done a meet yet he chimes in on PL related posts and refers to himself a PL. PL is a competitive endeavor. It’s not something you show up at the gym and do, or start posting a log on the internet and join the club.
You can say you training emulates BB of PL, but if you don’t compete you are neither.
The driver analogy is terrible b/c you are using a term that always has a qualifier attached to it. You are either a driver, like my wife taking the kids to school, or a race car driver, like mario andretti. If I asked somebody what do you do for a living and they said, “I am a driver.” I would assume they worked for a cab company or limo service. It would never enter my mind they were a race car drive. Bottom line, try again b/c that analogy sucks.