Yep. And it’s completely different motivation for the workforce now. We’ve (the company I work for) been paying double time, increased incentives and differentials with zero effect on retention or callouts. Throwing money at labor. More money just isn’t working. As much as guys say it will help, it doesn’t.
I love how you always think you schooled me, really amuses me. You also think what America is experiencing regarding immigration is somehow unique when the same thing is happening all over the western world.
How about trying to justify the case for demographic change being a positive thing, especially for white Americans(or any other Americans)? Its not happening from a majority grass roots level, and American citizens were never asked if they wanted these changes. The only case for demographic change is for the benefit of globalist scumbags, and that is where the decision making is coming from. It works no matter which party is technically in power, its just worst when the Dem’s are in.
Don’t let the citizens have a direct say, unless its already a fait accompli and the demographics have already been changed, and the descendants of the founders are now a minority and can be easily outvoted.
This is your justification, for using cheap immigrant labour. Its cheap for the business owners . I’m sure slave owners used the same arguments in the past. Most farms aren’t owned by Ma and Pa these days, they are owned by corporations. A farm run by Ma and Pa might die, but its immediately bought by a big corporation at bargain basement prices(though still too much for any normal individual wanting to be a farmer to afford)
Its also a one sided view because it doesn’t include the negative impact for the rest of the citizens in regard to the reduction of living standards.
The real thing is these business owners don’t want to pay a reasonable living wage for this kind of work, so Americans can’t afford to do that job, when they have other better paying options. Its probably the same reason you don’t work in this kind of industry. The same issue occurs in every first world country. Its done because its cheap, and exploitative, and the usually illegal immigrant workers don’t have the same rights as citizens.
I did. Which isn’t a brag or anything. I wouldn’t really expect someone who lives in Australia to understand immigration here. You had numerous things wrong and I corrected you numerous times. You know this is true and a simple search shows it,
I think believing that immigration is the same all over the western world is stupid as hell. It isn’t. Unless you view it as you do. Places with white majorities having people who aren’t white move in is bad for the master race.
Didn’t take long to get back to the racist stuff.
Descendants of the founders? Lmfao. Again at least you don’t hide it. You do from time to time but it always creeps back up. Dude from thousands of miles away sitting her telling me how awful it is for white Americans. As if the whole fucking country explodes the moment people with my skin color aren’t the majority. We’ve been a diverse nation for a long time. In fact we became a world power as our diversity increased.
Like I’ve said we did this a bunch over that long thread and don’t feel the need to do so again. You feel as if society would be best if races didn’t mix. I’m not going to be able to convince you that you’re wrong. Your knowledge of this country is based on far right websites you read and link exclusively.
You can make tons of arguments around immigration but deep down yours is always “the last thing these places need is a diminished white majority.”
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You’re just projecting because you don’t know or care about issues in any other country but your own, whereas I at least make an effort to know about not only my own country but also America and many other countries around the world. Its the 21st century and I can watch and get informed on everything going on around the world, or directly in America from multiple different sources and opinions and make my own mind up.
I never said immigration is the same all over the world, I said other countries are facing exactly the same issues. How the individual governments respond might be different, but the causes are usually the same, as is the overwhelmingly negative impact on the citizens of those countries.
You’re the one talking about master races, not me. Its about more than race its also culture, and its also about the way its being done. I’d still be against the same process if it were happening to the Japanese, or any other non white country. I want other cultures to still keep their own identity. That’s real diversity of humanity, not everyone all being the same, like the globo homo agenda.
White peoples make up only 10% of the worlds population, yet you somehow think we should allow anyone else to come to traditionally white countries, and dominate them whilst other races still get a massive overwhelming majority in their traditional, countries and continents.
What’s more you seem to expect them to like it, and welcome their own demise. In any other racial context that would be called genocide, and universally condemned.
You’re too dumb or too ideologically brainwashed to believe that you won’t face any negative effects from demographic change, yet the majority of topics regarding racial disharmony on this site are perfect examples of what’s to come. Your country has been tearing itself apart for the last year from said issues and you can’t even see the irony of your statement, and white people are still just in the majority.
I’m betting you don’t have bottomless pots of money, or live in a secure gated community like all the people that want mass immigration. You or someone you care about are eventually going to get negatively effected.
What time period are you specifically referring too?
I don’t know whether I’ve ever said that. By “society”, what do you mean? America, or any where? I personally think if 2 people from different races like each other enough to have a stable relationship and raise mixed children, that’s fine by me. Should it be promoted and encouraged as the norm for all, and that there are no negative consequences of doing it en masse, then no I don’t agree. Plenty of people from all races, still think that way too. They don’t want to see their race disappear even if they personally make a different choice.
What a ridiculous statement. I didn’t come down in the last shower. I get my information from many different places. MSM has been the biggest source for most of my life. Like many people I’ve become disillusioned by MSM because they no longer present the facts, they present a narrative that I am just supposed to believe without question.
You can call alternative sources of information far right if you want, but you would be wrong. Information might be presented from a certain bias, but actual facts speak for themselves above right or left. You never complain if it comes from a far left source(MSM). What have you got to fear, the truth???
Have you ever asked yourself why a diminished white majority, in a traditional white majority country is good, let alone fair?
Nearly every non-Mediterranean white person—Nordic or Alpine or a mix, though I don’t keep physical anthropology in mind in discussions—has stated they believe democracy is the only legit form of government when I’ve discussed this topic.
I’ll bite, because my opinion on immigration is likely split down the middle comparative to yours or @H_factor’s
Immigration within itself needn’t inherently be destructive or culture shattering. First generation immigrants and refugees can be flown in from overseas and adequately adapt to cultural norms within secular, first world countries. The trouble arises with the lack of a screening/vetting process, which are/can be very difficult to set up.
The notion the majority of immigrants fuel crime is a fallacy. In Australia to my knowledge the vast majority of immigrant/refugee mediated crime stems from the Lebanese/Sudanese and to an extent middle eastern communities. Perhaps a greater emphasis on cultural integration ought to be implemented.
This isn’t to excuse violent crime, though I can’t help but have some degree of sympathy for those who have flown in from war-torn countries and those who have lost everything due to violence back home.
Repeated exposure to trauma like this can condition a human being to accept or normalise antisocial etiquette. It’s a tricky scenario, without allowing these immigrants in, many refugees overseas will likely die horrific, painful deaths.
I wouldn’t call Australia a “white” country either given how British colonisers (well… Prisoners) ripped this land away from the indigenous population whilst our government to this day continually places unethical restrictions on Aboriginals within reserves of which are virtually unheard of within the greater community.
Not a global agenda given plenty of countries world wide will still put you to death over this.
As specified, I don’t see why not provided an adequate vetting process has been conducted. I wouldn’t want religious extremism or barbarity like child marriage associated with certain more primitive cultures making its way into Aus. On the other hand, non caucasian individuals, those who practice religion ethically/within the confines of keeping in touch with reality… Who cares?
It’s dependent on the demographic change. If we were to have a massive influx of ex-ISIS (following disbandment) fighters immigrating to Aus… Yes, the negative ramifications would be extensive.
An influx of modern secular, middle class Jews? Or secular Catholics… You’d see some cultural alteration, but I don’t think the net impact would be particularly negative.
This is where it gets iffy with me. What’s the issue with mixed children? Why shouldn’t it be normalised?
The idea of racial purity being superior is a fallacy. Discouraging interfamilial relations is steeped in scientific logic due to the risks of congenital disease, birth defects and the likes. To my knowledge I know of no negative associations with say… A white person having a baby with an Indian.
If I may ask. What is your stands on white people immigrating to countries predominantly consisting of non caucasian inhabitants?
I don’t think mass immigration will become an issue in Aus. We are VERY strict regarding who we let in (and for the foreseeable future… Who we let our #claustraphobic #prison)
I have no issue with non-caucasian immigrants. Race doesn’t mean anything to me. BUT!!! Would you agree cultural clashing can and does occur when one isn’t acclimated to newfound sets of sociocultural norms?
What’s more, barbaric cultural practices can and do exist. “But that’s their culture!” I don’t care, female genital mutilation, child marriage/arranged marriages assigned at birth, multiple wives (unless the arrangement is reciprocal…), revoking womens rights to drive/leave the house etc… I can’t get behind “cultural practices” like these.
If someone immigrated to a secular, developed country and continually abode by ideologies like this I’d opt for cultural integration and if all fails, deportation.
Agreed.
Agreed
I think the “refugee” argument has been severely abused, by the immigration industry.
I don’t think we should be a signatory to the relevant UN convention. We shouldn’t be obligated to take any one. Assess on a case by case basis at best.
Most of these people have found sanctuary well before they get anywhere near Australia. The UN convention is clear about this.
If there was any reason a refugee was likely to not integrate safely into our society I wouldn’t accept them. This get done on a mass scale “refugees welcome here” style and has led to mass rapes in Europe, and murders of innocent children.
I personally wouldn’t expect any country to accept me automatically if the situation was in reverse.
It depends what you call Australia. You could certainly debate the pro’s and cons.The continent was certainly inhabited before white man came, and for a very long time. The Aborigines wiped out a competing racial culture called the Bradshaws by white man, so it appears Australia was already violently colonized before white man arrived.
None of those cultures ever created a community even close to civilization by the standards of the time. Australia the country was until very recent years almost totally developed by Europeans, specifically the British for around 120 years before it was given its independence. Immigration policies were specifically designed to refuse admittance to any non English speaking countries.
Australia is still a majority white country but that has decreased dramatically in the last 40 or so years, due to mass immigration. Without British colonization there would be no Australia. The continent would still exist, and some other culture would have colonized it and called it something different. The aboriginals would have suffered a similar or worse fate depending on the conquerors.
The homo in globo homo refers to homogeneity, not homosexuality. Ironically the countries you allude to are not effected by globo homo yet, but they are the ones that immigrate to our countries.
Pretty much agree. There never seems to be any trouble from Buddhists, Seikhs, or Hindu’s. I don’t think Islam is compatible with western society though.
Would also agree, mainly because of the culture is more similar, than different, very compatible.
Like I said I don’t have a problem with individuals making the choice. Pushing it and encouraging it for everyone is a different matter. That is a relatively recent trend.
I see it as an attempt to genocide my people. I see the push promoting homosexuality the same way. I’m not against individuals being homosexual, but if everyone is encouraged to do it by being indoctrinated in their formative years, society would die out due to low or non existent birth rates.
Racial purity being superior for its own sake is a fallacy. I just don’t want to see the end of any racial types by excessive interbreeding. That’s not diverse, and in this case diversity is actually humanity’s greatest strength.
My cousin married an Sri Lankan woman and they have 2 lovely children.
Well I’m not really for it generally, and couldn’t see me ever doing it, mainly because I’m happy living where I am, I can’t see anywhere else being significantly better despite any issues I might have. If someone else wants to do it, that’s their choice, and they should accept the potential risks.
I don’t understand people whether they are white or whatever that go to another country to live and don’t learn, the language and culture, and respect and abide by their laws. That breeds resentment in the community.
I would add that many of these non white countries will allow you to be a permanent resident, but won’t allow you to become a citizen, or own land.
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I don’t believe this to be the case. Those of a heterosexual persuasion will generally find same sex sexual interactions repugnant. Even when/if encouraged, a heterosexual individual will never like it.
I’d also argue homosexuals make up a VERY stark minority (as opposed to what Hollywood might have us believe via diversity quotas). You’re looking at like 2-3% of the population being gay or bisexual (less if only accounting for homosexuality). It’d be a tremendously uphill battle, and an impossible one at that to drive up the LGBTQI population to that of a statistical majority thus potentially affecting birth rates.
I just can’t see it happening aside from perhaps Judaism being unfortunately bred out as we make up such a tiny minority of the world’s population. Even then, the orthodox communities make sure our customs/cultures are kept alive and they tend to be quite virile.
Whoops… My bad lol
Agreed, unless the culture at hand is barbaric… Though in which case, why would you move to that given country to begin with?
Will add a detailed reply to this
And this tomorrow, but it’s late and I need it get some sleep 
This is an interesting discussion to have. Also @H_factor, why are you being so aggressive over this? Can we try keep political discourse civil in nature?
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Damn, that was a pretty darn quick response 
I’ll try and get back to you tomorrow, getting a bit late for me on a weeknight.
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I was referring to Hoppe’s comments on democracy. It was created for reasons he could not understand.
Also, Hoppe is a piece of garbage as a person which explains his ridiculous ideas.
The French. The plans were put in place and a name was chosen - Terre Napoleon. Unfortunately, some pesky naval defeats around modern day Mauritius put an end to the scheme.
Not necessarily. It would probably look like a gigantic New Caledonia, with the culture of European settlers becoming much more redneck.The French could never afford the luxury of exterminating the natives like the Brits did, as they didn’t have enough potential immigrants from their rural population.
Spoilers dude!! I’m only at the part where he invades Egypt … jeez
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I’ve heard him say some things that might be viewed as rude or inhospitable, nothing ruder or more inhospitable than what’s said on PWI on a daily basis. I can’t remember anything that makes him a piece of garbage. I’m not looking for a friend in him.
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I don’t agree with most of your views pertaining to this issue (we can respectively agree to disagree and I know where you’re coming from), but I think this needs to be highlighted lest this be further misconstrued as purely a racial thing.
In S.E Asia as well as HK and Taiwan, “native” Chinese people are upset with the rapid influx immigrants from rural China because they’re very different culturally. Hell, I don’t even understand half of what they’re saying in Mandarin because of their accents. They also get upset when the super rich guys migrate here and drive their Ferraris around.
This is all pretty condensed since I don’t want to go into too many details but I don’t think it’s that much different conceptually from the arguments I’ve been reading about immigration in the West.
Does this make them racist if they’re all the same race?
Early settlors who built some of these these countries, some to great economic prosperity, were ALL immigrants from China.
China culture today has some vast differences even when it comes to even minor stuff like the manner in which we speak and body language since we never went through the Cultural Revolution over here though lots of our traditions are similar.
They’re different even amongst individual provinces and in the North and South in China due to things like the hukou system, which separated them from one another. There have been lots of reasons for this over history, one of which involves preventing the influx of rural people or even those from 2nd tier cities from migrating to the 1st tier cities to prevent them from becoming overpopulated. Which is why lots of them migrate overseas to find job opportunities today since such opportunities may be scarce in their own provinces.
When I get mad at some things, I normally curse to myself in my native Chinese dialect which my wife, who’s from China, doesn’t understand much of and she gets upset because she thinks I’m yelling at her. Our profanities can progress to getting poetic in a Shakespearean kind of way when we’re really going wild with them lol.
I don’t even know half of what she’s saying in her own dialect. She could be complaining about my dick size on the phone with her mother and I wouldn’t have a clue.
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I think the points you and twojarslave raised are dead on, but I also think there is a perception problem in the sector. In other words even without the free govt cheese you’re facing something of an uphill climb because of the perception that the robots are taking over, the jobs are dead end, etc. etc.
“I’ll take Never in Million Years for $1000 Alex.”
Yeah, I think in some previous contexts it would have helped but there are a bunch of things going on right now. I don’t pretend to be well versed enough in the industry to keep up with your knowledge of it though.
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Here’s a stupid quote from him that betrays his ignorance:
In every society, a few individuals acquire the status of an elite through talent. Due to superior achievements of wealth, wisdom, and bravery, these individuals come to possess natural authority, and their opinions and judgments enjoy wide-spread respect. Moreover, because of selective mating, marriage, and the laws of civil and genetic inheritance, positions of natural authority are likely to be passed on within a few noble families. It is to the heads of these families with long-established records of superior achievement, farsightedness, and exemplary personal conduct that men turn to with their conflicts and complaints against each other. These leaders of the natural elite act as judges and peacemakers, often free of charge out of a sense of duty expected of a person of authority or out of concern for civil justice as a privately produced “public good.”
Is he really this dumb? The nobility has often been made up of some of the most degenerate people who ever lived. The truth is most nobles have been mediocrities, at best.
What are his thoughts on homosexuals? And he might want to rethink his stance on the nobility since there were many gay nobles.
“There can be no tolerance toward those habitually promoting lifestyles incompatible with this goal. They-the advocates of alternative, non-family-centered lifestyles such as, for instance, individual hedonism, parasitism, nature-environment worship, homosexuality, or communism-will have to be physically removed from society, too, if one is to maintain a libertarian order.”
He also references J. Philippe Rushton when he writes about “negroids.” Rushton was the head of an organization that promoted nazism and eugenics.
This is speeding up the process. Were currently building 2 automated distribution centers. Looking in to automating as much of the process as possible. When the robots take over, we’ll deserve it.
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I’m not disagreeing with you at all. But I think that the perception that these jobs are “on the way out” like coal is something hindering the ability to hire right now.
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Just to play devil’s advocate, are you sure he is speaking of the actual physical nobility class as opposed to say, the “noble nature”?
That’s incorrect. However I would tend to defer to people who lived in a country all other things being equal. That’s why you got so much wrong in the other immigration thread. Because you really didn’t have an idea of the issue. However I can admit that I probably don’t have the same “how many whites they got in that country” knowledge as you.
I can quibble with this but how is our culture in jeopardy when we’ve been having massive amounts of immigration throughout the last century? We already have people of almost every possible background here and have for a long time. Is it one more non white person coming in that all of the sudden we don’t know what to do as a country? Ten? Or were we just fucked when Japan brought Mario over?
I’ll say again I don’t have time to teach you American history over and over.
Again we’ve been doing it for quite a bit of time. And things aren’t bad because of it. I think you can figure this out if you really want to know. I’ve heard that google thing helps.
That’s ok a lot of people think things are important that aren’t. A black and white person marrying is inconsequential. And no one is forcing anyone to do it in America.
We’ve seen the “facts” from your web sites and shot them down for you time and time again.
Bullshit. Far left sources and far right sources can be just as wrong as more middle of the road sources. Nothing magical.
The truth is what we’ve been trying to get you to see when you link stuff and we correct it.
I don’t spend a lot of my time thinking “holy shit a white family was killed in a car accident today and a mexican woman had a baby. Just another step closer to not being the majority.
I realize it’s not a big fucking deal. The white majority has been diminishing here for quite some time. We have plenty of problems in America and plenty of great things. That isn’t a problem.
He’s got a history of racist “races would be better off without any mixing type stuff.” I have a hard time taking that seriously and not calling it out for the demonstrable bullshit it is.