Why Do Americans Care So Much About Freedom

You may very well be right. However I would point out that people have been saying national debt is crushing us since the beginning. “This action” will end America. People have been barking about the downfall of America since America became a country. Even in our lifetimes how often have people said or thought it was over? We’ll never survive Reagan,Clinton, GWB, Obama, Trump. Now we’re wringing our hands over Biden and claiming no this is it. This has to be the end because reasons.

So while the end may be nigh historically you’re one of millions of people who (so far) have been wrong. But the good news is no matter how long you live you can guarantee that if America is still going when you die the chicken littles won’t be going anywhere.

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I don’t necessarily think that the UK is weak by any measure, but the British empire “has fallen” and the UK is no longer anywhere near as influential as it once was.

@loppar I agree with your assessment of China. I’m not saying that China will come out on top. I’m saying that the US probably won’t stay on top for too much longer if things keep going this way

@BrickHead IMO, a lot of ppl (including myself) are not informed enough to make smart choices at the polls, hence populism. Politicians are motivated to do what ppl want… NOW… which usually isn’t what ppl NEED or is beneficial for long term growth

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I’d gladly take a democracy with voting qualifications. Simply existing until eighteen years old seemed asinine to me since… eighteen years old.

In the book Democracy: The God That Failed, the author Hans Hermann Hoppe explains the debacle better than I can.

There are several factors that make mass democracy a scam.

See what Edward Bernays had to say on this topic too. I go with that.

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From Bernays. Apparently he liked being in a position of influence and controlling people but he nevertheless shows how democracy actually works.

So When I first read this statement, it convinced me that democracy is actually not the “will of the people”.

@anna_5588 I think you might find this man interesting.

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My concern is not the debt as much as it is of its own citizens…i.e. The woke/cancel culture, the changing of language, the acceptance of crime, the removal of its history, education curriculum not focusing on the majors

That’s all just different things than whatever people used to say was why it would die. Cancel culture isn’t new people were burning books and music decades ago. People who supported blacks and women voting might have been viewed as “woke” in their day. The acceptance of crime? Bank robbers in the depression were often folk heroes. Most people didn’t have a problem turning a blind eye during prohibition. Removal of history? You think that history hasn’t been distorted for forever based on who is writing and teaching it? You really think our ancestors were teaching a lot about the people that came before them without bias?

Not a single thing in your post hasn’t already been something that was going to bring down America or that doesn’t have parallels to now. Nothing new under the sun.

And the people before you were just as convinced that their time was the worst of times and the end was coming. And shocked that not everyone didn’t see the obvious writing on the wall of doom.

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Hope you are correct…only time will tell

The problem is people who lead such coups are normally power hungry megalomaniacs themselves, which is why power is never relinquished once they get it. It’s an extreme thing to do, which requires such people to do it.

This kind of snitching isn’t caused by this. In the past, it was fear that they would potentially be implicated as a co-conspirator or get punished for condoning such actions by implication if they didn’t snitch.

Today, it’s caused by living under constant fear of punishment due to strict laws and following them judiciously, which brings out jealousy when they see that someone managed to not get caught while skirting the system.

It’s not really a “Soviet-style” system. It’s basically the human condition. We see it in lots of authoritarian countries over here.

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It’s also based on idiotic logic. Not sure how one is defining immigration as anti American (considering America was built on and relies on immigration) but Beyond lives in Australia and has shown his knowledge of America is limited to wacko far right quackery.

All we need is the benevolent fairies to come down and overtake the government through force and get rid of all the corruption. I’m not sure what he’s smoking but sounds like a blast.

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I dunno much about the US myself, but it’s akin to what people say about communism despite all it’s failures throughout modern history.

“We’ll get it right this time.”

If we want to push this line of argument to it’s logical conclusion, maybe US-style communism will get it right.

We’ve already gone down that route, albeit this isn’t the right thread to write about it. I’d argue whilst penalties associated with getting caught aren’t QUITE as strict (still frequently a criminal record) as they are in the USA, the laws are far more intrusive.

As an example, one can theoretically lose their license and cop a 1000$+ fine at an RDT station because they’ve smoked a joint three days ago.

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If I had it my way, I’d get rid of alcohol… but we all know how well that works out… :roll_eyes:

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Here are quotes I like from the recommended author on the topic. He’s the likely the only libertarian I can take interest in. @anna_5588

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There is much truth to what you say, but there are instances of it working(not the majority though) They are not revolutionary, and the political framework that existed before is largely the same, only the rulers are removed from office.
Also the military needs to be seen as doing it for the benefit of the population, without majority public support you do indeed get tyranny.

I can’t think of many successful attempts. In Fiji the military, mainly comprised of traditional Fijians, rebelled against the government which was dominated by Indian immigrants, of the mercantile class.
Also the Thai coup of 2014 seems to have returned stability to the country.(not an expert though)

You do know there have been multiple coups in Thailand including the one prior to 2014 that established the previous government and there’s one potentially going to happen, right?

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H you have shown your interpretation of “immigration” and it has no nuance, and that you don’t believe that demographic change is negative to the people that created and are invested in America. The current immigration problem, is unlike the immigration that created a strong America. It doesn’t have the support or the interests of the American citizen(of any racial background) at heart.
Newsflash, immigration might have played a role building America, but its been “built” for quite a while. It needs maintaining and nurturing. It doesn’t need huge amounts of new people, from incompatible, and opportunistic backgrounds. All that does is decrease the standard of living for the majority of the citizens, whilst making a handfull of scumbags even more obscenely rich.
Anyone that supports a Biden style open boarders approach, is an idiot or an active toadie of the globalist minority, NWO.

Yeah, there probably will be several more in the extended future.
Fiji needed a couple of coups too.
Luckily they are not as extensively violent as a Myanmar style coup.

I dunno, man. Anything to do with the military will inevitably cause lost of violence and damage along with a lot of disinformation and cover ups so no one really knows what really went down. There are bloodless coups, but they’re rare. But even in these cases, it shows how much power the military has, which reflects on the political system. I don’t think you want to live under something similar to a military dictatorship, even if it’s a “benign” one.

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You mean people moving to America for welfare and other benefits might not be the same as people moving to America for freedom despite the possibility of having to fight native peoples, disease, etc.?

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You can take my single malt whiskey from my cold dead hands