Why Did God Create......

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
I’m back. Let’s get right into it.

Why do whales have pelvic bones? [/quote]

Alien technology.

Next.[/quote]

Not quite. Why did God find it necessary to give whales, an animal with no need for a pelvic bone, a pelvic bone?

More interestingly, the human sacrum and coccyx appear as several vertebrae fused together. If we are the result of creation, why did God create us in such a way that we would look as though we evolved from monkeys? Why not just give us a solid sacrum, for example. [/quote]

I got no problem with evolution. [/quote]

Then how do you reconcile the theory of evolution with the story of creation in Genesis?[/quote]

Sorry, I’m not seeing the problem here.

What issue do you have with it?
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If Adam and Eve were created as is, then there was no evolution. [/quote]

It’s a story, not a scientific model. You think a goat herder 2000 years ago would be receptive to hearing the intricacies of single-nucleotide polymorphisms?

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Then God is a rather malevolent being for not correcting his vast array of worshipers who think otherwise. Though, you think God would have the foresight to at least give a passing mention in the bible that when he says “created” he really means “kicked off a process that would result in ‘man’ after several millions of years”… and given that god is all powerful, why would he bother with this process when he knows the result? He could just whip us up and skip all the monkey business… no pun intended.
which brings up another question, why did God never give us any information about the universe that we didn’t already know to be factual? Further still, the answers he offers for these “at the time unknowns” are so convoluted and vague that instead of hinting us in the right direction they actually took us backwards and resulted in violent wars and genocide (many of which God personally commanded to happen).

Ultimately, the answers in the bible given in genesis in no way logically lead to what science has found to be true and it can only be viewed as such while working backwards ex post-facto.

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You certainly demand a lot of God.
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If I am to believe your God above any other God, then it’s his responsibility to give me reason to do so to a greater extent than any other God has.

If your God is real, then he already knows what must be done to convince me. The fact that he doesn’t means he either intends for me to go to Hell, or he doesn’t exist.

But hey, maybe God sent me here to be convinced :wink:

702

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
Then how do you reconcile the theory of evolution with the story of creation in Genesis?[/quote]

  1. Which creation story?

  2. Did you read Genesis with the assistance of the Talmud? If so, you would be aware there is no conflict.

The Torah is 100% correct, but it is an index, not an encylopedia.[/quote]

  1. I’m assuming you’re talking about genesis 1 vs. genesis 2. In which case… does it matter?

  2. No, I have not read the Talmud. How does the Talmud reconcile this?

You can interpret anything to be 100% correct because it’s a matter of how much a mental stretch you allow yourself to make before dropping something. You wouldn’t say that the Torah is 100% correct if viewed literally, correct? Well, others do. Why would God allow his book to be so open to interpretation? Why not just personally tell us what he wants, if anything?

Besides this, if the bible is meant to be taken metaphorically, then how much? To what degree? The correlation between what we know to be true and what the bible says to be true is so weak that the only way to make the connection is to get the correct answer ourselves and work backwards (making the biblical creation account pointless as it doesn’t actually help us to understand the universe) and even then it’s an incredible mental stretch to make things fit. The tower of babel is a very poor metaphor for the out of Africa theory, the order of creation given in genesis one is completely out of order with how things would have to naturally occur and what exactly is Noah’s ark a metaphor for?

There comes a point where you have to realize that you’re trying to make reality fit your world view and not the other way around.

[/quote]

Ahh, I see. You think God should have left us a technical manual.
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It would have sparred quite a few lives, don’t you think?

703

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
I’m back. Let’s get right into it.

Why do whales have pelvic bones? [/quote]

Alien technology.

Next.[/quote]

Not quite. Why did God find it necessary to give whales, an animal with no need for a pelvic bone, a pelvic bone?

More interestingly, the human sacrum and coccyx appear as several vertebrae fused together. If we are the result of creation, why did God create us in such a way that we would look as though we evolved from monkeys? Why not just give us a solid sacrum, for example. [/quote]

I got no problem with evolution. [/quote]

Then how do you reconcile the theory of evolution with the story of creation in Genesis?[/quote]

Sorry, I’m not seeing the problem here.

What issue do you have with it?
[/quote]

If Adam and Eve were created as is, then there was no evolution. [/quote]

It’s a story, not a scientific model. You think a goat herder 2000 years ago would be receptive to hearing the intricacies of single-nucleotide polymorphisms?

[/quote]

Then God is a rather malevolent being for not correcting his vast array of worshipers who think otherwise. Though, you think God would have the foresight to at least give a passing mention in the bible that when he says “created” he really means “kicked off a process that would result in ‘man’ after several millions of years”… and given that god is all powerful, why would he bother with this process when he knows the result? He could just whip us up and skip all the monkey business… no pun intended.
which brings up another question, why did God never give us any information about the universe that we didn’t already know to be factual? Further still, the answers he offers for these “at the time unknowns” are so convoluted and vague that instead of hinting us in the right direction they actually took us backwards and resulted in violent wars and genocide (many of which God personally commanded to happen).

Ultimately, the answers in the bible given in genesis in no way logically lead to what science has found to be true and it can only be viewed as such while working backwards ex post-facto.

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You certainly demand a lot of God.
[/quote]

If I am to believe your God above any other God, then it’s his responsibility to give me reason to do so to a greater extent than any other God has.

If your God is real, then he already knows what must be done to convince me. The fact that he doesn’t means he either intends for me to go to Hell, or he doesn’t exist.

But hey, maybe God sent me here to be convinced ;)[/quote]

He has already given you all the reasons you will ever possibly need. Now it’s up to you.

You seem dead set on finding “errors,” though. Well, if that’s all you’re looking for, that’s all you’re going to find.

704

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
Then how do you reconcile the theory of evolution with the story of creation in Genesis?[/quote]

  1. Which creation story?

  2. Did you read Genesis with the assistance of the Talmud? If so, you would be aware there is no conflict.

The Torah is 100% correct, but it is an index, not an encylopedia.[/quote]

  1. I’m assuming you’re talking about genesis 1 vs. genesis 2. In which case… does it matter?

  2. No, I have not read the Talmud. How does the Talmud reconcile this?

You can interpret anything to be 100% correct because it’s a matter of how much a mental stretch you allow yourself to make before dropping something. You wouldn’t say that the Torah is 100% correct if viewed literally, correct? Well, others do. Why would God allow his book to be so open to interpretation? Why not just personally tell us what he wants, if anything?

Besides this, if the bible is meant to be taken metaphorically, then how much? To what degree? The correlation between what we know to be true and what the bible says to be true is so weak that the only way to make the connection is to get the correct answer ourselves and work backwards (making the biblical creation account pointless as it doesn’t actually help us to understand the universe) and even then it’s an incredible mental stretch to make things fit. The tower of babel is a very poor metaphor for the out of Africa theory, the order of creation given in genesis one is completely out of order with how things would have to naturally occur and what exactly is Noah’s ark a metaphor for?

There comes a point where you have to realize that you’re trying to make reality fit your world view and not the other way around.

[/quote]

Ahh, I see. You think God should have left us a technical manual.
[/quote]

It would have sparred quite a few lives, don’t you think?[/quote]

Nah, just as many probably would have died of boredom.

705

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
Then how do you reconcile the theory of evolution with the story of creation in Genesis?[/quote]

  1. Which creation story?

  2. Did you read Genesis with the assistance of the Talmud? If so, you would be aware there is no conflict.

The Torah is 100% correct, but it is an index, not an encylopedia.[/quote]

  1. I’m assuming you’re talking about genesis 1 vs. genesis 2. In which case… does it matter?

  2. No, I have not read the Talmud. How does the Talmud reconcile this?

You can interpret anything to be 100% correct because it’s a matter of how much a mental stretch you allow yourself to make before dropping something. You wouldn’t say that the Torah is 100% correct if viewed literally, correct? Well, others do. Why would God allow his book to be so open to interpretation? Why not just personally tell us what he wants, if anything?

Besides this, if the bible is meant to be taken metaphorically, then how much? To what degree? The correlation between what we know to be true and what the bible says to be true is so weak that the only way to make the connection is to get the correct answer ourselves and work backwards (making the biblical creation account pointless as it doesn’t actually help us to understand the universe) and even then it’s an incredible mental stretch to make things fit. The tower of babel is a very poor metaphor for the out of Africa theory, the order of creation given in genesis one is completely out of order with how things would have to naturally occur and what exactly is Noah’s ark a metaphor for?

There comes a point where you have to realize that you’re trying to make reality fit your world view and not the other way around.

[/quote]

Read it and find out. Otherwise, you’re not worth my time.

706

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
Then how do you reconcile the theory of evolution with the story of creation in Genesis?[/quote]

  1. Which creation story?

  2. Did you read Genesis with the assistance of the Talmud? If so, you would be aware there is no conflict.

The Torah is 100% correct, but it is an index, not an encylopedia.[/quote]

  1. I’m assuming you’re talking about genesis 1 vs. genesis 2. In which case… does it matter?

  2. No, I have not read the Talmud. How does the Talmud reconcile this?

You can interpret anything to be 100% correct because it’s a matter of how much a mental stretch you allow yourself to make before dropping something. You wouldn’t say that the Torah is 100% correct if viewed literally, correct? Well, others do. Why would God allow his book to be so open to interpretation? Why not just personally tell us what he wants, if anything?

Besides this, if the bible is meant to be taken metaphorically, then how much? To what degree? The correlation between what we know to be true and what the bible says to be true is so weak that the only way to make the connection is to get the correct answer ourselves and work backwards (making the biblical creation account pointless as it doesn’t actually help us to understand the universe) and even then it’s an incredible mental stretch to make things fit. The tower of babel is a very poor metaphor for the out of Africa theory, the order of creation given in genesis one is completely out of order with how things would have to naturally occur and what exactly is Noah’s ark a metaphor for?

There comes a point where you have to realize that you’re trying to make reality fit your world view and not the other way around.

[/quote]

Ahh, I see. You think God should have left us a technical manual.
[/quote]

It would have sparred quite a few lives, don’t you think?[/quote]

No, people can and do manage to fuck up anything and everything. Just because you think he did it wrong doesn’t mean he did actually do it wrong.

707

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
If I am to believe your God above any other God, then it’s his responsibility to give me reason to do so to a greater extent than any other God has.
[/quote]
Uh no, that’s your problem not His. Your the one who has issues not Him. You have every right in the world not to believe in God or anything else you don’t want to believe in. Why should you be ok with seeking information of all other matters, but here you want God to send it down to you on a silver platter? You’re special why, exactly?

[quote]
If your God is real, then he already knows what must be done to convince me. The fact that he doesn’t means he either intends for me to go to Hell, or he doesn’t exist.

But hey, maybe God sent me here to be convinced ;)[/quote]

Why should he do any such thing for you? What have you done for him to deserve such revalations beyond most of man kind? Second, you sure you want that? Those who receive such clear revelations also carry tremendous burdens because that. You really don’t know what you are asking for or the burden that comes with it.

Are you prepared to completely submit or tell God to screw Himself once said divine revelation is granted. That is the cross road in which you would be standing. You could not, not make a choice.
See how divine revelation drastically altered St. Paul’s life, or more recent example Padre Pio? Is this what you want? Is this the life you are prepared to live?

708

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
I’m back. Let’s get right into it.

Why do whales have pelvic bones? [/quote]

Alien technology.

Next.[/quote]

Not quite. Why did God find it necessary to give whales, an animal with no need for a pelvic bone, a pelvic bone?

More interestingly, the human sacrum and coccyx appear as several vertebrae fused together. If we are the result of creation, why did God create us in such a way that we would look as though we evolved from monkeys? Why not just give us a solid sacrum, for example. [/quote]

I got no problem with evolution. [/quote]

Then how do you reconcile the theory of evolution with the story of creation in Genesis?[/quote]

Sorry, I’m not seeing the problem here.

What issue do you have with it?
[/quote]

If Adam and Eve were created as is, then there was no evolution. [/quote]

It’s a story, not a scientific model. You think a goat herder 2000 years ago would be receptive to hearing the intricacies of single-nucleotide polymorphisms?

[/quote]

Then God is a rather malevolent being for not correcting his vast array of worshipers who think otherwise. Though, you think God would have the foresight to at least give a passing mention in the bible that when he says “created” he really means “kicked off a process that would result in ‘man’ after several millions of years”… and given that god is all powerful, why would he bother with this process when he knows the result? He could just whip us up and skip all the monkey business… no pun intended.
which brings up another question, why did God never give us any information about the universe that we didn’t already know to be factual? Further still, the answers he offers for these “at the time unknowns” are so convoluted and vague that instead of hinting us in the right direction they actually took us backwards and resulted in violent wars and genocide (many of which God personally commanded to happen).

Ultimately, the answers in the bible given in genesis in no way logically lead to what science has found to be true and it can only be viewed as such while working backwards ex post-facto.

[/quote]

You certainly demand a lot of God.
[/quote]

If I am to believe your God above any other God, then it’s his responsibility to give me reason to do so to a greater extent than any other God has.

If your God is real, then he already knows what must be done to convince me. The fact that he doesn’t means he either intends for me to go to Hell, or he doesn’t exist.

But hey, maybe God sent me here to be convinced ;)[/quote]

He has already given you all the reasons you will ever possibly need. Now it’s up to you.

You seem dead set on finding “errors,” though. Well, if that’s all you’re looking for, that’s all you’re going to find.
[/quote]

Wrong. If God has given me everything I need to be convinced then I would be convinced. I’m not looking for errors, that’s just all I see here.

709

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
Then how do you reconcile the theory of evolution with the story of creation in Genesis?[/quote]

  1. Which creation story?

  2. Did you read Genesis with the assistance of the Talmud? If so, you would be aware there is no conflict.

The Torah is 100% correct, but it is an index, not an encylopedia.[/quote]

  1. I’m assuming you’re talking about genesis 1 vs. genesis 2. In which case… does it matter?

  2. No, I have not read the Talmud. How does the Talmud reconcile this?

You can interpret anything to be 100% correct because it’s a matter of how much a mental stretch you allow yourself to make before dropping something. You wouldn’t say that the Torah is 100% correct if viewed literally, correct? Well, others do. Why would God allow his book to be so open to interpretation? Why not just personally tell us what he wants, if anything?

Besides this, if the bible is meant to be taken metaphorically, then how much? To what degree? The correlation between what we know to be true and what the bible says to be true is so weak that the only way to make the connection is to get the correct answer ourselves and work backwards (making the biblical creation account pointless as it doesn’t actually help us to understand the universe) and even then it’s an incredible mental stretch to make things fit. The tower of babel is a very poor metaphor for the out of Africa theory, the order of creation given in genesis one is completely out of order with how things would have to naturally occur and what exactly is Noah’s ark a metaphor for?

There comes a point where you have to realize that you’re trying to make reality fit your world view and not the other way around.

[/quote]

Read it and find out. Otherwise, you’re not worth my time.[/quote]

Not sure if it’s intentional, but that came off rather defensive.

So, just browsing an online translation I’m assuming you’re talking about the part about there being 974 generations before God created Adam, yes? If so, then fine. It’s a stretch, but it’s better than nothing.

Understand though, I’m here to debate Christians, and they aren’t so fortunate as to have the Talmud. To be honest, I view Judaism as being much more logically consistent than Christianity.

710

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
Then how do you reconcile the theory of evolution with the story of creation in Genesis?[/quote]

  1. Which creation story?

  2. Did you read Genesis with the assistance of the Talmud? If so, you would be aware there is no conflict.

The Torah is 100% correct, but it is an index, not an encylopedia.[/quote]

  1. I’m assuming you’re talking about genesis 1 vs. genesis 2. In which case… does it matter?

  2. No, I have not read the Talmud. How does the Talmud reconcile this?

You can interpret anything to be 100% correct because it’s a matter of how much a mental stretch you allow yourself to make before dropping something. You wouldn’t say that the Torah is 100% correct if viewed literally, correct? Well, others do. Why would God allow his book to be so open to interpretation? Why not just personally tell us what he wants, if anything?

Besides this, if the bible is meant to be taken metaphorically, then how much? To what degree? The correlation between what we know to be true and what the bible says to be true is so weak that the only way to make the connection is to get the correct answer ourselves and work backwards (making the biblical creation account pointless as it doesn’t actually help us to understand the universe) and even then it’s an incredible mental stretch to make things fit. The tower of babel is a very poor metaphor for the out of Africa theory, the order of creation given in genesis one is completely out of order with how things would have to naturally occur and what exactly is Noah’s ark a metaphor for?

There comes a point where you have to realize that you’re trying to make reality fit your world view and not the other way around.

[/quote]

Ahh, I see. You think God should have left us a technical manual.
[/quote]

It would have sparred quite a few lives, don’t you think?[/quote]

No, people can and do manage to fuck up anything and everything. Just because you think he did it wrong doesn’t mean he did actually do it wrong.
[/quote]

This doesn’t follow at all. So because people “fuck up” it’s okay for God to give us information knowing we won’t interpret it properly thus resulting in pointless wars?

711

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
If I am to believe your God above any other God, then it’s his responsibility to give me reason to do so to a greater extent than any other God has.
[/quote]
Uh no, that’s your problem not His. Your the one who has issues not Him. You have every right in the world not to believe in God or anything else you don’t want to believe in. Why should you be ok with seeking information of all other matters, but here you want God to send it down to you on a silver platter? You’re special why, exactly?

This wasn’t your conversation, you attention whore, you. ;p

Assuming God created me then he knows how my mind works and he knows exactly what must be done to convert me. Since he is all powerful it would take no effort whatsoever for him to do it, so the fact that he doesn’t means he has no intention of saving me.

I am an individual. If God wants to convince me on an individual level then he’s going to have to meet the standards he programmed me to have. I don’t owe him my faith. If he wants it, he knows what to do. It’s not about me being “special”, I’d expect him to do the same for everyone.

I wouldn’t invest money in a company that I think has a shady, or non-existent business plan, just because they’ve convinced other people. I’m not those people.

So far, your God has given me about as much reason to follow him as any other God has. Why should I chose your God over Q’uq’umatz?

712

[quote]forlife wrote:<<< I’m blind too, but admitting that fact is the beginning of true wisdom and enlightenment.[/quote]No kiddin? Aw now that is like really far out man.

713

I did a little bit of digging to look into the growth rates of religions and it would appear there is no agreement. Though the front runner claims will indicate that Islam, Pentacostalism, and Buddhism are all the “fastest growing religions”.

I could find statistics on births and conversions but no statistics on relinquishers, which gives us an incomplete picture. The Births themselves are poor indicators for it remains to be seen what level of their faith they will retain.

There’s also no way of telling whether these Christians are simply self-mislabeled Deists. There are levels of so called “Christianity” that are tolerant to other faiths, Christians who don’t believe in hell, Christians who believe that essentially “good people” will go to heaven regardless of the minutiae, and then we have “Christians” who are Christian in the very weakest sense so that they “fit in”.

And along this spectrum we have varying interpretations of each faith that divert. Make no mistake for anyone who claims to be authentically christian there is a more extreme group that disagrees.

We are entering a time where now more than ever conflicting ideas can be seen in juxtaposition, and must compete on the strength of their merits. Our prefrontal cortex and anterior cingulates will have to work overtime so that we can exist in a world where doubt and skepticism are more attractive than faith and certainty. And we will continue to tally up “Christians” even as they fail to satisfy the most moderate criteria as such, until we are left with Deists under many names where the details of each dogma are eventually overthrown by the mainstream connected culture.

For radicals their only chance is to move into isolation to prevent contamination of subsequent generations with foreign ideas, lest their ideas be required to compete according to the standards of epistemology and rationality, as opposed to emotional content. But this also alienates them further from the mainstream.

If in 100 years from now 70 or 80 percent of “christians” condone gay marriage, can we say that “the tenets of christianity have remained unchanged for 2100 years?”. Of course we can, because people living in that age will say that abhorance of homosexuality was never a tenet of the faith, because we know “the truth” now.

…

On another note… I would love to hear the answer to TigerTime’s question “Why should I chose your God over Q’uq’umatz?”

714

And it all comes down to this… This is not a rational issue. It is on a level below that. God for many people exists in the same way that “mother”, “father”, “anger”, “sadness” and many other deep emotional concepts exist. It causes more turmoil in the psyche to rearrange the foundation than to continue stacking on top of it. The mind rests on the assumption that for anything to be valid these things must be held true.

For my own journey I went into deep depression when I started to wonder about the meaning of all things. And the reason for that was my primary assumption that things must have meaning for me to be happy which was just an assumption. In fact it is the many variations on these meanings I find that are causing pain. The search for truth that leads to one truth as distinct from others creates alienation and contention.

We have no more reason to sharply distinguish ourselves into groups in order to survive in our present world even though our minds strongly perform that function. We have “certain” christians, skeptics, scientists and agnostics because thoughts gather emotional strength and momentum rather than remaining just points of data, to urge us to act upon them to survive. Diligence is needed in order not to search so hard for the truth that we grasp at one so early and dearly and leave no vacancy for new possibilities.

Just “think” about it.

716

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< “Do we nevertheless get the impression sometimes that by some law of nature paganism again and again wins back to some extent areas that were cleared and cultivated by Christianity?”

Can you explain to me why this answer is wrong?[/quote]This a little clearer and better but, to what is being referred to here as “law of nature”?

717

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Gumpshmee wrote:

…For my own journey…

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Squirt, you’re a honkin’ 23 years old. Ye aint been around long enough to be able to say you’ve been on any damned “journey.” For cryin’ out loud, Aristotle, come back in 20 years with all that drivel. Then I’ll pay attention. Maybe.

No doubt.
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It only takes a moment to realize. How old are you, exactly?

718

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< “Do we nevertheless get the impression sometimes that by some law of nature paganism again and again wins back to some extent areas that were cleared and cultivated by Christianity?”

Can you explain to me why this answer is wrong?[/quote]This a little clearer and better but, to what is being referred to here as “law of nature”?
[/quote]

The journalist’s phrase, “some law of nature,” is probably referring to the journalist asking the Pope whether there is some reason why in history there seems to be a back and forth of people worshiping God and then idols and back and forth.

But, I have been wrong before.

719

I would like to offer another perspective. By no means am I anything compared to previous posters, but I would like to offer my two cents.

What is the point, if you do not want to see the truth?

This might be hard for you, but realize God gave everyone in the history of the world, today and tomorrow FREE WILL!

[quote]TigerTime wrote: I am an individual. If God wants to convince me on an individual level then he’s going to have to meet the standards he programmed me to have. [quote]
Yet you limit God?!?

No, you should give him your heart because he gave you this life in the first place.

Now YOU think you are on the same level of understanding or even knowedge, as God? Remind me how young you are? Do you know all? Past, future and present?

Your point?

There is only ONE God!!

Again, without Him you would cease to exist.

Now do not expect me to follow your little endeavor. I saw this post yesterday and no one dealt with it, so I am giving another point of view. Look at my avi, up and to the left <–, tell me after six weeks in a vegetative coma, what gave me life? If you were to convince me other than God, I might stress might believe man evolved from apes or some other bs. But that will never happen ; ) I [i]HAVE[/i] seem much, at least which this world has to offer!!

720

I would like to offer another perspective. By no means am I anything compared to previous posters, but I would like to offer my two cents.

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
. . . . Assuming God created me then he knows how my mind works and he knows exactly what must be done to convert me.[/quote]
What is the point, if you do not want to see the truth?

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
Since he is all powerful it would take no effort whatsoever for him to do it, so the fact that he doesn’t means he has no intention of saving me.[/quote]
This might be hard for you, but realize God gave everyone in the history of the world, today and tomorrow FREE WILL!

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
I am an individual. If God wants to convince me on an individual level then he’s going to have to meet the standards he programmed me to have.[quote]
Yet you limit God?!?

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
I don’t owe him my faith.[/quote]
No, you owe him at least your faith and should give him your heart because he gave you this life, in the first place.

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
If he wants it, he knows what to do. It’s not about me being “special”, I’d expect him to do the same for everyone.[/quote]
Now YOU think you are on the same level of understanding or even knowedge, as God? Remind me how young you are? Do you know all? Past, future and present?

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
I wouldn’t invest money in a company that I think has a shady, or non-existent business plan, just because they’ve convinced other people. I’m not those people.[/quote]
Your point?

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
So far, your God has given me about as much reason to follow him as any other God has.[/quote]
There is only ONE God!!

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
Why should I chose your God over Q’uq’umatz?[/quote]
Again, without Him you would cease to exist.

Now do not expect me to follow your little endeavor. I saw this post yesterday and no one dealt with it, so I am giving another point of view. Look at my avi, up and to the left <–, tell me after six weeks in a vegetative coma, what gave me life? If you were to convince me other than God, I might stress might believe man evolved from apes or some other bs. But that will never happen ; ) I [i]HAVE[/i] seem much, at least which this world has to offer!!