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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:
What do you tell YOUR CHILD?!
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I feel like I’ve answered this several times now… but just to be clear, everything I’ve said to you I would also say to my child. These are the things I would have to say to them about what is “right” and what is “wrong”.[/quote]

[i]After being assaulted and robbed by two men one night, who subsequently escape with the family car, his jaw broken and two teeth knocked out, 8 year old TigerKid goes with clearly distraught TigerMom by taxi to visit TigerTime at the hospital.

He does not understand any of what is happening. His dad is the best person in the world. He is always nice, and loving, and takes such good care of him and TigerMom. Why would someone do this to his daddy? He is confused, scared, and insecure. His little TigerBrain hardly knows enough to elucidate the words it feels over and over: “Isn’t my daddy a good person? Why did this bad thing happen?”

When he finally asks his dad, this is the answer he receives:[/i]

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Well son, what happend tonight is just a symptom. Normal people don’t go out and suddenly feel the urge to assault people and steal something. It’s a build-up of psychological tension, or in some cases a hormonal imbalance.

My point is, placing the focus on the action itself is pointless. Is assault bad? Well, it’s certainly problematic if society is to function, but to split actions into “good” and “bad” is to miss the point. The problem is internal. Is poverty immoral? Is psychological instability immoral? Is a hormonal imbalance immoral?

These questions can’t be answered in a vacuum (as you’re trying to suggest) because these words; good, bad, moral, immoral - they are non-cognitive. They don’t actually mean anything by themselves. They only exist within context. Is happiness good? Is net utility good? What is “good” in a vacuum? If you can’t say what “moral” and “immoral” is in a vacuum then how can you say any act is entirely one or the other in the same vacuum?[/quote]

That about right?[/quote]

Well I probably wouldn’t word it like that, but basically yeah.

Also, I like the character names =)

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
TigerTorment, you are being intellectually dissected right before your eyes with no anesthetic and you apparently don’t even realize it. [/quote]

Pushdeeper, you are being physically dissected right before your eyes with no anesthetic and you apparently don’t even realize it.

I can say things too, Push. It doesn’t mean anything without a valid argument making such a case.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
TigerTorment, you are being intellectually dissected right before your eyes with no anesthetic and you apparently don’t even realize it. [/quote]

Pushdeeper, you are being physically dissected right before your eyes with no anesthetic and you apparently don’t even realize it.

I can say things too, Push. It doesn’t mean anything without a valid argument making such a case.[/quote]

That’s the whole point. Valid arguments against you ARE being made. Over and over again. But you are so combative just for the sake of being combative that you don’t realize how wholly inadequate your responses are.

But somehow, in a complete change of character, you will be all mellow, relaxed, nonchalant and noncommittal with teaching your own children foundational concepts about life and morality? Methinks not.

Cortes has you by the short hair, chico.[/quote]

I’m truly sorry that you’re unable to approach things with a more calm and collected attitude. Just because you’re unable to do so doesn’t mean he is unable to do so as well.

Life would be so much better if we all had the sense to be governed by reason and not brash emotions like 99% of Christians.

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Did he really just delete all of his posts or is my browser bugged?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
TigerTorment, you are being intellectually dissected right before your eyes with no anesthetic and you apparently don’t even realize it. [/quote]

Pushdeeper, you are being physically dissected right before your eyes with no anesthetic and you apparently don’t even realize it.

I can say things too, Push. It doesn’t mean anything without a valid argument making such a case.[/quote]

That’s the whole point. Valid arguments against you ARE being made. Over and over again. But you are so combative just for the sake of being combative that you don’t realize how wholly inadequate your responses are.

But somehow, in a complete change of character, you will be all mellow, relaxed, nonchalant and noncommittal with teaching your own children foundational concepts about life and morality? Methinks not.

Cortes has you by the short hair, chico.[/quote]

You didn’t try very hard, granted, but at least before you put in the effort to make actual arguments. Now you’re just Cortes’ cheerleader.

As annoying as ZEB was, even he had the maturity to do better than “Nya nya, we’re right because I say so! Loooooooooooool!!!11!!”…

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[quote]Zooguido wrote:
Did he really just delete all of his posts or is my browser bugged?[/quote]

Push? I see them still.

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[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Zooguido wrote:
Did he really just delete all of his posts or is my browser bugged?[/quote]

Push? I see them still.[/quote]

Oh, sick. The ignore feature finally kicked on LOL.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
TigerTorment, you are being intellectually dissected right before your eyes with no anesthetic and you apparently don’t even realize it. [/quote]

Pushdeeper, you are being physically dissected right before your eyes with no anesthetic and you apparently don’t even realize it.

I can say things too, Push. It doesn’t mean anything without a valid argument making such a case.[/quote]

That’s the whole point. Valid arguments against you ARE being made. Over and over again. But you are so combative just for the sake of being combative that you don’t realize how wholly inadequate your responses are.

But somehow, in a complete change of character, you will be all mellow, relaxed, nonchalant and noncommittal with teaching your own children foundational concepts about life and morality? Methinks not.

Cortes has you by the short hair, chico.[/quote]

You didn’t try very hard…

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This is very true. In your case I just don’t have the motivation.

This is very true. I AM good friends with Cortes and one would think that would certainly influence which team I cheerlead for but I still must admit you are losing the chess match badly. Don’t sweat it though. It’s not that you can’t articulate yourself; it’s just that your ethos and the logic (or lack thereof) that drives it is simply lacking.

BTW, when I do the cheerleading thing it’s only cuz I love tossin da chicks up in the air and peeking under their skirts.

The problem, TigerKitten, as I expressed before, is that when you continued to harp on the shellfish/clothing deal well after everyone and their cousin and their cousin’s dog told you those rules never applied to Gentiles and yet you continued to insist “They must, they must, they must,” I knew you were just here to get beat up. So I disengaged from serious discussion which I am certainly capable of (see 80% of my umpteen thousand PWI posts) and decided beating up on you was more productive…and fun.
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Wrong. I asked where in the bible it is claimed that these rules don’t apply to us (yet to be shown), and if not then which rules specifically are crossed out (since you guys still follow some of them) and how do you know (also, yet to be shown).

You see, as non-Jews your jobs are a little harder than Jewbacca’s as you have the task of reconciling both testaments. None of you did as I see you are all still cherry picking which of these supposed “unmandatory rules” to follow.

As far as I can tell it looks like you guys are simply interpreting the bible to mean what ever the hell is most convenient.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

Wrong. I asked where in the bible it is claimed that these rules don’t apply to us (yet to be shown and if not then which rules specifically are crossed out)…

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#1 It was shown (someone else was kind enough to post at least once in this regard). Go back and look it up.

The New Testament, especially the teachings of Paul, are rife with references that reconcile the Old Covenant with the New.

Also, nothing is hindering you from embarking on your own personal in depth Bible study. You don’t need a bunch of guys on a bodybuilding website to completely spoonfeed and school you on the doctrines of Christianity and how it differs from Judaism especially when you clearly display an antipathy towards Christianity to begin with. This antipathy would severely handicap from understanding what you seek because your supposed curiosity is feigned anyway, i.e., you don’t give a rat’s ass - you’re not truly after answers.

#2 The rules NEVER applied to Gentiles so they didn’t need to be “crossed out.”

Proof of that is in the Old Testament where the rules were specifically given to the Hebrews/Jews and to them only. READ the Old Testament for the “proof” you so desire. Simple logic dictates that if the rules were specifically given JUST to the Jews and NEVER to the Gentiles then they don’t need to be “crossed out” at a later time for the Gentiles. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

Think, Tiger, think.

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  1. It was “shown” in that it’s been expressed that these rules don’t apply to non-jews because these rules don’t apply to non-jews. I’ve yet to see the part of the bible where God says this, but even if this is the case then you still have a problem which leads me to…

  2. If this is the case then why do christians use any of these rules? This is cherry picking. Also, if the logic behind these rules being “just for the jews” is that God gave these rules directly to the jews then none of the bible applies to me as God has not directly given any rules to me.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

…2. If this is the case then why do christians use any of these rules?..

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They don’t.

Christians don’t use the Levitical law. Period.

I know you mentioned homosexuality but that is something that is addressed outside of the Levitical law.
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Perhaps you, as a christian, don’t follow this law. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard christians quote Leviticus 24:17.

But, alright. For the sake of argument I’ll agree with you that Christians don’t (or at least shouldn’t) use levitican law. You already know my next question. If the qualification for needing to follow God’s rules is to have them directly given to you then why follow any of the bible’s commandments? I know God hasn’t directly given me any commandments, so am I off the hook?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

Perhaps you, as a christian, don’t follow this law. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard christians quote Leviticus 24:17.

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Leviticus 24:17 simply codified in the Levitical law for the Hebrews what God had already codified for all mankind in Genesis 9:6.

Christians don’t need to use the Leviticus passage. Murder is something that is outlawed virtually everywhere including outside of Leviticus but IN the Bible.

Well the easy and correct answer is you earnestly study your Bible so that you can differentiate between the ceremonial and hygiene laws given specifically to the Hebrews/Jews and the laws given to all mankind.

God HAS directly given you commandments; you are part of mankind, aren’t you?

*Note: the commandments in Genesis 9 were given hundreds of years before the Hebrew nation was conceived. There were no nations, ethnicities, separate cultures, Gentiles, Jews, blacks, whites, Asians, aborigines, Vikings, Turks, Zimbabweans, Irish, crossfitters, powerlifters, bodybuilders, cardio bunnies, etc.

Genesis 9 applies to all mankind.
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Lets play a little game. I’ll give you a situation plus a few options for what this situation is describing and you tell me which one it is.

The situation: God gives Moses a set of rules to relay to the Israelites.

Now, am I talking about A)the Levitican laws, or B)the ten commandments?

They are virtually identical circumstances, so why is one universal while the other is specific to the Jews?

And it’s not as though God simply doesn’t consider specifying who his covenants affect as seen in Genesis 9:8-17 where God specifies everyone this “no more floods” covenant affects about 5 times. Why is God so vague with his later covenants? In fact, God is by far the most redundant character I know when it comes to speech. It seems odd. =/

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

Perhaps you, as a christian, don’t follow this law. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard christians quote Leviticus 24:17.

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Leviticus 24:17 simply codified in the Levitical law for the Hebrews what God had already codified for all mankind in Genesis 9:6.

Christians don’t need to use the Leviticus passage. Murder is something that is outlawed virtually everywhere including outside of Leviticus but IN the Bible.

Well the easy and correct answer is you earnestly study your Bible so that you can differentiate between the ceremonial and hygiene laws given specifically to the Hebrews/Jews and the laws given to all mankind.

God HAS directly given you commandments; you are part of mankind, aren’t you?

*Note: the commandments in Genesis 9 were given hundreds of years before the Hebrew nation was conceived. There were no nations, ethnicities, separate cultures, Gentiles, Jews, blacks, whites, Asians, aborigines, Vikings, Turks, Zimbabweans, Irish, crossfitters, powerlifters, bodybuilders, cardio bunnies, etc.

Genesis 9 applies to all mankind.
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Lets play a little game. I’ll give you a situation plus a few options for what this situation is describing and you tell me which one it is.

The situation: God gives Moses a set of rules to relay to the Israelites.

Now, am I talking about A)the Levitican laws, or B)the ten commandments?

They are virtually identical circumstances, so why is one universal while the other is specific to the Jews?

And it’s not as though God simply doesn’t consider specifying who his covenants affect as seen in Genesis 9:8-17 where God specifies everyone this “no more floods” covenant affects about 5 times. Why is God so vague with his later covenants? In fact, God is by far the most redundant character I know when it comes to speech. It seems odd. =/[/quote]

#1 Rephrase your final paragraph. I honestly don’t understand it.

#2 I won’t “play games” with someone who hasn’t studied the Scripture to any significant extent. And you obviously have not. I simply do not have the time to teach a course here to bring you up to speed. I do not intend that sarcastically FWIW.[/quote]

  1. Shortform, I’m pointing out that God is willing to point out the specific people affected in his covenants, so it’s strange that he didn’t do this for his later covenants if they really are meant to be specifically for the Jews…

  2. I’m going to call bullshit on this. You just don’t want to answer the question.