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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

No amount of aging will change the fact that God never deems his old rules about wearing mixed fiber shirts and eating shellfish as obsolete, no matter how hard you try to assert this. [/quote]

Yep, you’re going on ignore. If you’ve never read the epistles or Acts, especially anything relevant to gentiles, yet still act as if you know what you’re talking about, you’re simply a troll.[/quote]

… have we ever even messaged eachother before?

Lol I don’t care if you put me on ignore, who are you for me to care? Just do it and be on your way.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
No amount of aging will change the fact that God never deems his old rules about wearing mixed fiber shirts . . . . [/quote]

Of course, all those rules (there are 613, to be exact) do not apply to you, as a non-Jewish person.

And for a bit of color regarding the mitzvah about mixed fibre,s it was (and is) to prevent stealing and posturing — passing off a mixed clothe as 100% silk, for example and to prevent people from pretending to be something they are not — rich enough to wear 100% silk.

In short, thievery and posturing displeases G-d.[/quote]

Yes, someone else said this too (I can’t remember exactly who). To which I would say if God’s rules only apply if given directly to you then nothing in the bible applies to us. Or, at least not to me personally, perhaps God has come to you personally and told you what you can and cannot do.

I do find it strange though, that God cares about people pretending their clothes are 100% silk so much that he outright bans all mixed fiber clothing. Not saying this itself is an argument against the bible, but to me it sounds suspiciously like one person with a very strong preference trying to use God as justification to enact his owns ludicrous rules

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Zooguido wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Zooguido wrote:
How can you say that the Christian faith is the right faith? The Jews have their faith and their beliefs that go back further than that of the Christian faith. The Muslims have their faith and their Prophet. Yet, in my eyes, the Muslim faith is clearly the most rational and reasonable. I can’t believe that you people are able to honestly practice a religion that has been devoutly corrupt for more than 2000 years.

From slaughtering Muslims and any non-Christians without a valid cause during the Crusades to the papal authority raping, sodomizing, and living lives of lust and grandeur you’d clearly think that someone would wake the fuck up and realize that this shit is beyond absurd. Yet you still stand by this faith that you believe to be so righteous in all regards.

It’s the same crap today just in different context.

TL;DR - This. Shit. Is. Fucked.[/quote]
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Guess what he also loves?

Little boys and threatening the general populace with eternal damnation for not conforming to the will of God.[/quote]

I wasn’t aware of the latter, where is your proof?[/quote]

i must be getting trolled

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[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

Well, google tells me that these laws aren’t decreed obsolete in the bible and you’re cherry picking which verses to follow… but I doubt that’s what you wanted me to find :wink:

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Google nor anyone else told you any such thing, DisingenuousTime. You know it. I know it. Your mom knows it.

The only cherry picker is Tony-the-pseudo-Bible-scholar-Tiger. Your posts and mine reflect that. You have no idea what you’re talking about it; you’re simply arguing because you’re on the internet. You’re throwing stuff up hoping it will stick. You’re certainly more capable talking about medieval Irish history but you’re hopelessly out of your league here.
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http://www.atheistperspective.net/p/bible-verses.html << Oh well, you can’t win em all…

Seriously though, you can find any expressed opinion on Google… It just wasn’t a smart move to try and call me out on something than could be shown to be true simply by using Google to find a site that suggests Christians cherry-pick.

I don’t know why you’re trying to make it out as though I came here to argue with you. YOU responded to ME. I’m not forcing you to respond to my comments and you’re free to not respond to me anytime.

This is a very simple game of logic; God has condemned wearing clothes with mixed fibers, eating shellfish, etc. You say these laws are obsolete so I ask you were in the bible these laws have been decreed as such. If this can’t be done (and I don’t think it can) then I guess these things are still banned as far as God’s concerned. [/quote]

Have you ever read the bible? Or are you criticizing something you’ve never read? I am guessing the latter…I had the feeling this was another set up. Another pseudo genius atheist who thinks he found reason in the unreasonable tenet of atheism.
I’ll give you the one main reason atheism is flawed at it’s very core. It posits that something can come from nothing and the things can happen for no reason what so ever. Now, what makes it even more ridiculous with all this belief and trust in science is that there is not a single solitary mircofragment of evidence to even remotely support such a ridiculous notion.

The difference between you and I is that believe in something that is actually possible and you believe in something that is verifiable impossible…Now that you let the cat out of the bag of your true intentions, let’s see how smart you are:
Prove something can come from nothing, as an atheist you MUST believe this to be true or you are not an atheist. It’s that simple…

I won’t be holding my breath.[/quote]

That’s great and all but… where exactly did I say I was an atheist again?

I won’t be holding my breath. ;)[/quote]

You said you don’t believe in God, so, same thing.[/quote]

And where did I say that?[/quote]

“TigerTime wrote:
I cannot believe in any such God.”

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[quote]Dbol123 wrote:
isn’t it hilarious how some people, in this day and age, actually believe the bible to be something more than fictional allegories… especially after it’s be refuted time after time[/quote]

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[quote]Zooguido wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Zooguido wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Zooguido wrote:
How can you say that the Christian faith is the right faith? The Jews have their faith and their beliefs that go back further than that of the Christian faith. The Muslims have their faith and their Prophet. Yet, in my eyes, the Muslim faith is clearly the most rational and reasonable. I can’t believe that you people are able to honestly practice a religion that has been devoutly corrupt for more than 2000 years.

From slaughtering Muslims and any non-Christians without a valid cause during the Crusades to the papal authority raping, sodomizing, and living lives of lust and grandeur you’d clearly think that someone would wake the fuck up and realize that this shit is beyond absurd. Yet you still stand by this faith that you believe to be so righteous in all regards.

It’s the same crap today just in different context.

TL;DR - This. Shit. Is. Fucked.[/quote]
[/quote]

Guess what he also loves?

Little boys and threatening the general populace with eternal damnation for not conforming to the will of God.[/quote]

I wasn’t aware of the latter, where is your proof?[/quote]

i’m getting trolled[/quote]

By little boys?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

No amount of aging will change the fact that God never deems his old rules about wearing mixed fiber shirts and eating shellfish as obsolete, no matter how hard you try to assert this. [/quote]

Yep, you’re going on ignore. If you’ve never read the epistles or Acts, especially anything relevant to gentiles, yet still act as if you know what you’re talking about, you’re simply a troll.

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As bright as the kid is he is plumb Pitbulll-like when it comes to this subject in particular. I repeatedly told him, and Jewbacca confirmed it, that shellfish and clothing regulations pertained to Hebrews. That is crystal fucking clear from even just a cursory study of the Bible.

Yet he continues to figuratively stick his fingers in his ears and chant, “Nah, nah, nah, nah, naj…I can’t hear you…nah, nah, nah, nah…the rules aint obsolete…the rules aint obsolete…the rules aint obsolete…the rules aint obsolete…nah, nah, nah…”
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You’re just willfully ignorant at this point. I’ve already said that assuming these rules only apply if given directly to you, then all of the bible is obsolete.

It’s also worth noting that God also condemns homosexuality in Leviticus. Is that rule “just for the Jews” as well? Hmm?

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[quote]TigerTime wrote:

No amount of aging will change the fact that God never deems his old rules about wearing mixed fiber shirts and eating shellfish as obsolete, no matter how hard you try to assert this.[/quote]

I am NOT talking about God with you! Pay attention! We are talking about your ability and background to discuss the topic at a given level with those who have decades of experience and study. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

Your outlook will change by leaps and bounds. That you don’t understand this speaks (once again) directly to your youth and inexperience.

I have given you some world class advice including direct examples. That you don’t realize it, and appreciate it (once again) speaks to your absolute inability to grasp how young, inexperienced and lacking in knowledge and wisdom that you are.

Why would I care if you respond to me once again? Nothing that I’ve said has made even a dent in your youthful arrogance. This is at least partially my fault. There is too much posturing done on this site (by all of us at every age) for you to give an inch. I should have PM’d you. Oh well, go have fun on the site and think over what I’ve said.

Take Care,

ZEB

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]supa power wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Zooguido wrote:
How can you say that the Christian faith is the right faith? The Jews have their faith and their beliefs that go back further than that of the Christian faith. The Muslims have their faith and their Prophet. Yet, in my eyes, the Muslim faith is clearly the most rational and reasonable. I can’t believe that you people are able to honestly practice a religion that has been devoutly corrupt for more than 2000 years.

From slaughtering Muslims and any non-Christians without a valid cause during the Crusades to the papal authority raping, sodomizing, and living lives of lust and grandeur you’d clearly think that someone would wake the fuck up and realize that this shit is beyond absurd. Yet you still stand by this faith that you believe to be so righteous in all regards.

It’s the same crap today just in different context.

TL;DR - This. Shit. Is. Fucked.[/quote]

Yawn.[/quote]

And this is from a 21 year old expert.

Come on you have to enjoy this Push. Hey at least he’s 3 years older than Tumble Time.
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Thats right, when someone makes a valid point highlighting how painfully flawed and stupid religion is then the only response can be to ignore it. Thats what the religious do best, keep ignoring the evidence.
I find it hysterical how your defence is always young = stupid & entitled to no opinion, yet you are a grown man who believes in satan…LOL!!![/quote]

Your statement supposes a valid argument. I have not seen one.

OH and 2000 years > 21 years. :)[/quote]

You have to be one of the most naive people I have ever met. This is why I make it a point to avoid people like you =/ It’s impossible to keep faith in humanity when people like you continue to deface what little is left of its value.

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[quote]Dbol123 wrote:
isn’t it hilarious how some people, in this day and age, actually believe the bible to be something more than fictional allegories… especially after it’s be refuted time after time[/quote]

Oh good another 20 year old Bible scholar.

You know guys I have to blame the parents for a lot of this ignorance. I think many of them used the TV and computer as baby sitter’s. And now here they are on T Nation all ready to point us in the proper direction.

Okay…yeah it’s funny…but sad too.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

Well, google tells me that these laws aren’t decreed obsolete in the bible and you’re cherry picking which verses to follow… but I doubt that’s what you wanted me to find :wink:

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Google nor anyone else told you any such thing, DisingenuousTime. You know it. I know it. Your mom knows it.

The only cherry picker is Tony-the-pseudo-Bible-scholar-Tiger. Your posts and mine reflect that. You have no idea what you’re talking about it; you’re simply arguing because you’re on the internet. You’re throwing stuff up hoping it will stick. You’re certainly more capable talking about medieval Irish history but you’re hopelessly out of your league here.
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http://www.atheistperspective.net/p/bible-verses.html << Oh well, you can’t win em all…

Seriously though, you can find any expressed opinion on Google… It just wasn’t a smart move to try and call me out on something than could be shown to be true simply by using Google to find a site that suggests Christians cherry-pick.

I don’t know why you’re trying to make it out as though I came here to argue with you. YOU responded to ME. I’m not forcing you to respond to my comments and you’re free to not respond to me anytime.

This is a very simple game of logic; God has condemned wearing clothes with mixed fibers, eating shellfish, etc. You say these laws are obsolete so I ask you were in the bible these laws have been decreed as such. If this can’t be done (and I don’t think it can) then I guess these things are still banned as far as God’s concerned. [/quote]

Have you ever read the bible? Or are you criticizing something you’ve never read? I am guessing the latter…I had the feeling this was another set up. Another pseudo genius atheist who thinks he found reason in the unreasonable tenet of atheism.
I’ll give you the one main reason atheism is flawed at it’s very core. It posits that something can come from nothing and the things can happen for no reason what so ever. Now, what makes it even more ridiculous with all this belief and trust in science is that there is not a single solitary mircofragment of evidence to even remotely support such a ridiculous notion.

The difference between you and I is that believe in something that is actually possible and you believe in something that is verifiable impossible…Now that you let the cat out of the bag of your true intentions, let’s see how smart you are:
Prove something can come from nothing, as an atheist you MUST believe this to be true or you are not an atheist. It’s that simple…

I won’t be holding my breath.[/quote]

That’s great and all but… where exactly did I say I was an atheist again?

I won’t be holding my breath. ;)[/quote]

You said you don’t believe in God, so, same thing.[/quote]

And where did I say that?[/quote]

“TigerTime wrote:
I cannot believe in any such God.”
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You’re deliberately taking this quote out of context. Even within what you’ve quoted anyone can see I’ve added the qualifier “such” as in reference to “such” a God who would eternally punish a man for a finite infraction.

I see now that this conversation is going nowhere. Please, go bother somebody else.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Dbol123 wrote:
isn’t it hilarious how some people, in this day and age, actually believe the bible to be something more than fictional allegories… especially after it’s be refuted time after time[/quote]

Oh good another 20 year old Bible scholar.

You know guys I have to blame the parents for a lot of this ignorance. I think many of them used the TV and computer as baby sitter’s. And now here they are on T Nation all ready to point us in the proper direction.

Okay…yeah it’s funny…but sad too.
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You know what’s really funny? The fact that you think it’s impossible to be a good and upstanding human being without the aid of Christianity. The atheists I know are a thousand times more honorable and righteous than any of you on this forum and it’s a pity that you think so highly of yourselves when you don’t know the first thing about compassion, respect, and basic human decency.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

I’ve no expectations that non-Christians should have a working knowledge of the faith. But, if you’re going to try and tells us our own faith, as if you’re the authority on the subject, you’d better demonstrate at least a smidgen of knowledge. I refuse to entertain folks like him anymore. I’ll try one time to get them pointed in the right direction. One time. If it’s humble questions by the curious, no problem. But arguing with someone speaking as if they’ve found the missing ‘gotcha, Christians!,’ when it appears as such only if you’re completely ignorant of the faith…Not going to do it anymore. If I have to fill up an ignore list, so be it.

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I’m just about there myself Sloth. Can you imagine if someone tried to critique some of the classic historical literature without first having to read and understand it?

[b]“Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him.”

Titus 3:10[/b]

And why?

[b]“Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is on earthly things.”

Philippians 3:19[/b]

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

…I’ve already said that assuming these rules only apply if given directly to you, then all of the bible is obsolete…

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PittTigerBulllTime, this is the last time I will go over this. If you don’t get it you will be hereby dismissed as far as I am concerned. The shellfish/clothing regulation was given directly to Hebrews and only to Hebrews. I am not Hebrew/Jewish. I am a Gentile. Therefore I am not bound nor ever was to Hebrew civil/ceremonial/hygiene laws.

The fact that I am not nor ever was bound to those laws does not in any shape, form or fashion render the Bible obsolete.

There ARE certain MORAL laws that transcend the Jewish/Gentile distinction and the Old Testament/New Testament partition. Clothing and shellfish regulations are NOT moral laws.

Now I am done with what is so ridiculously elementary that I am completely annoyed I let a squirt whose testicles just dropped into his scrotum a few relatively short moons ago draw me into this.
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No need to be so touchy. It’s your own fault for continuing to re-assert the same argument for so long regardless of my counter-point(s).

Okay, so some laws still apply and some don’t. If there is no part of the bible directly outlining which rules still apply and which don’t then you are cherry-picking. End of story.

Keep in mind, I could just as easily say, “being homosexual was only against God’s rules for the Jews at that particular time because God saw that they needed a greater population (or some sort of justification like that). But now that we have such a huge population this rule no longer applies”… And if there’s nothing further in the bible about it then how can you say I’m wrong without being hypocritical?

Sure, you can say that the mixed-fiber rule was specific to the Jews at that time because of mixed fiber clothes being passed off as pure and that since this is no longer a problem we can ignore this rule, but God has said nothing about it. Perhaps this still bothers him and if I where you I wouldn’t be so quick to start ignoring God’s rules without his “OK”. << But this is just my opinion.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

Now I am done with what is so ridiculously elementary that I am completely annoyed I let a squirt whose testicles just dropped into his scrotum a few relatively short moons ago draw me into this.
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Wahahaha…hoo heee stop I can’t take it… :slight_smile:

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TigerTime makes a fair point. The bible doesn’t specifically say which laws and ordinances in the Mosaic law were fulfilled in Christ, and which continued to apply after Christ.

Some are obvious, like sacrificing an unblemished lamb in atonement for one’s sins. That ordinance was a clearly symbolic anticipatory rite that was fulfilled in Christ’s atonement. Obviously there was no need to continue animal sacrifices after Christ’s ultimate sacrifice.

But what about keeping the sabbath day holy? Some scriptures hint that it still applies (Luke 23:56) while others suggest it doesn’t (Colossians 2:16-17, Romans 14:5-6).

How about paying tithes? In the old testament, a tithe was literally one tenth of one’s increase (Genesis 14:17-20, Genesis 28:20-22, Hebrews 7:1-10), but the new testament is less specific on what constitutes a tithe.

Then there are a host of commandments like forbidding sex during a woman’s menstrual period, etc. that simply aren’t mentioned in the new testament. Traditionally, some of them like honoring your father and mother still apply, while the punishments for disobedience no longer apply.

The point is that what is and is not carried over from the Mosaic Law is far from clear.

And just a general note: Can people please stop attacking others for their age? It’s an obvious ad hominem tactic that only makes your own position look weak. Attack the actual points all you want.