[quote]Zooguido wrote:
How can you say that the Christian faith is the right faith? The Jews have their faith and their beliefs that go back further than that of the Christian faith. The Muslims have their faith and their Prophet. Yet, in my eyes, the Muslim faith is clearly the most rational and reasonable. I can’t believe that you people are able to honestly practice a religion that has been devoutly corrupt for more than 2000 years.
From slaughtering Muslims and any non-Christians without a valid cause during the Crusades to the papal authority raping, sodomizing, and living lives of lust and grandeur you’d clearly think that someone would wake the fuck up and realize that this shit is beyond absurd. Yet you still stand by this faith that you believe to be so righteous in all regards.
It’s the same crap today just in different context.
TL;DR - This. Shit. Is. Fucked.[/quote]
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Guess what he also loves?
Little boys and threatening the general populace with eternal damnation for not conforming to the will of God.
I read it , there is nothing there about God Creating Satan , It appears to be that God is telling Satan that he was there in the garden of Eden but no mention of creation, Oh wise one :)[/quote]
Let me hold your hand on this one, Pitttty.
You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were [b]created[/b]
till wickedness was found in you.
Ezekiel 28:15 speaking of Lucifer.[/quote]
you need to quit trying to hold my hand and tell me where it says God created Lucifer
Therefore 3 years more correct? And I suppose if I was 90 I would never be wrong about anything ever again?
Ultimately, this is just a cop-out you all have come up with to avoid saying what you really think; I’m not christian enough to be correct. Of course you can’t just come out and say this so you instead look for any insignificant piece of information you can find about someone and claim that they cannot possibly be correct based purely on this irrelevant piece of trivia and if you can’t find ANY information on them, you say they can’t be right because they’re anonymous (lol).
Well ZEB, YOU are anonymous, so I guess that means you are wrong by default and you’re younger than I am (at least you seem to have the maturity of someone much younger than me) so I guess that means you’re wrong even if you stop being anonymous…
And finally, Tumble Time? SRSLY? You couldn’t come up with something better than Tumble Time?[/quote]
Look skippy I’ve been kind so far. And I know that in the land of the Internet that age is not supposed to mean anything (given the number of teens who inhabit this platform) But, I no more respect your opinion on spiritual matters than you would respect the opinion of an 8 year old. I would have nothing to say if you were droning on about High School courses, or things that you’ve lived with and actually understand. But in the long run age and experience mean a great deal. If they meant nothing there would be no age limit on driving, drinking voting and entering the military. Let’s face it when a government entity, or large corporation is looking for a really good man (or woman) to head up a new division they’re not thinking “what we need is a really smart teenager to pull this off…Someone with Internet experience…”
They’re looking for depth and breadth of knowledge and experience. And all of this just doesn’t come at the age of 18.
It really is nothing personal. If you were a Christian mouthing off as you’ve been doing I’d tell you the same thing.
Now maybe there are other teenagers and 20 something’s here on T Nation who care what an 18 year old thinks about spiritual matters. If so great have a ball. But I’m not one of them.
Good luck, and don’t forget to brush after every meal (ha…I had to throw one more at you kid
Your Friend,
ZEB
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Well I, unlike you, do respect the opinions of 8 year olds and I don’t judge what is correct and incorrect based on the age or any other irrelevant factor of the person making their argument.
If I am immature for having the audacity to determine truth from fiction by the statements relevance to reality rather than how many conscious moments said person has spent void of an umbilical cord, then maturity is over rated.
I read it , there is nothing there about God Creating Satan , It appears to be that God is telling Satan that he was there in the garden of Eden but no mention of creation, Oh wise one :)[/quote]
Let me hold your hand on this one, Pitttty.
You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were [b]created[/b]
till wickedness was found in you.
Ezekiel 28:15 speaking of Lucifer.[/quote]
you need to quit trying to hold my hand and tell me where it says God created Lucifer[/quote]
Folks, can ANYONE dispute that PitHeifer is THE dullest knife in the PWI drawer?[/quote]
These little exchanges are exactly why Pittbulll holds the distinct honor of being the ONLY T-Nation member I have ever put on ignore. Even the worst offenders tend to have some redeeming quality. I disagree with almost everything Orion believes but he is witty and tends to make me laugh. With pittbull, though, it’s like this kid wandered into the thread and interrupts the conversation the adults were having.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Pit, this is why I ignore you most of the time. You’re not even worth picking on. It’s like picking on a mentally handicapped person and THAT jes aint right.[/quote]
You only fool your self, while you are explaining whether God Created Lucifer, do you know if the Bible says whether there no are others like God ?
I honestly do not know the answer.
I understand it may tax your mind beyond it’s capability .
I am making no aspersions I am curious does the Bible state that God Created Lucifer, the scripture you put forth could mean that Lucifer was created the same way God was .
Oh, I see. Having kids suddenly reverses the lack of evidence for your creator and magically will make me accept a God who would allow (relatively) arbitrary finite actions to result in eternal torture… Makes perfect sense.[/quote]
No.
Again you miss the point; which is the point. [/quote]
??? Are you just making this up as you go along?
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No. I know it’s difficult for you to imagine, but there actually is someone other than yourself who knows what he’s talking about.
Ah yes, how could I have possibly missed that incredibly vague refference… maybe because even now that you’ve explained it it still doesn’t make sense, perhaps?
So, if I have this straight, given what I wrote it’s clear that I don’t have kids because if I had kids and told them this they may grow up to be serial killers… therefore?
…That’s some air-tight reasoning you’ve got there Cortes.
But alright, ones opinion is validated by the actions of those who may or may not of held similar beliefs. My death count is 17 and the Christian death count is… Oh my, I’m going to need a bigger calculator for this.
Well I, unlike you, do respect the opinions of 8 year olds and I don’t judge what is correct and incorrect based on the age or any other irrelevant factor of the person making their argument.[/quote]
That’s because you are too young to appreciate the value of experience and wisdom which only comes with age. And that’s probably why my friend Cortes said something on the order that you don’t have children of your own. When you do you will soon realize the pure folly of your above statement.
Okay, don’t get me wrong, it’s great that you are involved and you are thinking. It’s over stepping to think that you know enough to lecture others who have not only lived longer but have learned more in that time period. Look at it this way, if we are all around the same intelligence (say it’s close) but most of us have 10 to 30 years on you what does that mean? It means that many of us have been to college, Grad school, started their own business, entered the ministry, the military, traveled extensively and read far, far more books on the topic than you. And we’ve done this purely by virtue of having lived longer! That doesn’t make you stupid, it just makes you too young to have done what the rest of us may have done, not your fault. And it also means that over all we may have a better handle on separating truth from fantasy.
Really, don’t get all offended. Like I said stay on the issues that you know by virtue of your own experience and depth of knowledge and no one will say anything about your age.
Fair enough?
And I am your friend, who else would take the time to explain this to you?
Oh, I see. Having kids suddenly reverses the lack of evidence for your creator and magically will make me accept a God who would allow (relatively) arbitrary finite actions to result in eternal torture… Makes perfect sense.[/quote]
No.
Again you miss the point; which is the point. [/quote]
??? Are you just making this up as you go along?
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No. I know it’s difficult for you to imagine, but there actually is someone other than yourself who knows what he’s talking about.
Ah yes, how could I have possibly missed that incredibly vague refference… maybe because even now that you’ve explained it it still doesn’t make sense, perhaps?
So, if I have this straight, given what I wrote it’s clear that I don’t have kids because if I had kids and told them this they may grow up to be serial killers… therefore?
…That’s some air-tight reasoning you’ve got there Cortes.
But alright, ones opinion is validated by the actions of those who may or may not of held similar beliefs. My death count is 17 and the Christian death count is… Oh my, I’m going to need a bigger calculator for this. ;)[/quote]
I’ll tell you one reason you are getting a razzing from some of the older members, it’s because you walk around with that big old chip on your shoulder. I personally don’t care about your age, but you might think about adjusting that attitude if you desire respect so much. And it’s blindingly clear you do.
Now, at the risk of just making the dumb mistake of playing the foil to your ego in this foolish performance, to your question:
Here, again, is your quote:
Would you or would you not agree that this would be good advice to give to a child? Feel free to adjust the analogy to fit earthly conditions. Please don’t complicate the question. I know you are smart and can figure out what I’m saying without our having to go back and forth for three more posts defining terms. A simple yes or no with a short caveat, if you please, will suffice.
Well I, unlike you, do respect the opinions of 8 year olds and I don’t judge what is correct and incorrect based on the age or any other irrelevant factor of the person making their argument.[/quote]
That’s because you are too young to appreciate the value of experience and wisdom which only comes with age. And that’s probably why my friend Cortes said something on the order that you don’t have children of your own. When you do you will soon realize the pure folly of your above statement.
Okay, don’t get me wrong, it’s great that you are involved and you are thinking. It’s over stepping to think that you know enough to lecture others who have not only lived longer but have learned more in that time period. Look at it this way, if we are all around the same intelligence (say it’s close) but most of us have 10 to 30 years on you what does that mean? It means that many of us have been to college, Grad school, started their own business, entered the ministry, the military, traveled extensively and read far, far more books on the topic than you. And we’ve done this purely by virtue of having lived longer! That doesn’t make you stupid, it just makes you too young to have done what the rest of us may have done, not your fault. And it also means that over all we may have a better handle on separating truth from fantasy.
Really, don’t get all offended. Like I said stay on the issues that you know by virtue of your own experience and depth of knowledge and no one will say anything about your age.
Fair enough?
And I am your friend, who else would take the time to explain this to you?
ZEB[/quote]
Experience is certainly valuable relative to a skill, but when it comes to logic it isn’t necessary. When it comes to painting a flower, the more experience the better, but when it comes to something logical or factual; 1+1=2 for example, experience is irrelevant. No matter how old you are it will not make this statement any more or less correct. Just as in the bible, it is either consistent or inconsistent. No amount of experience will change this and so to say I am wrong for any reason other than for what facts are directly connected to the issue is a logical fallacy. If there IS a verse in the bible where God says his rules are now obsolete, then fine. If not, then it is wrong to assume so. No amount of age will change this.
Also, don’t make the mistake of claiming I am here lecturing you. You all came to me and began lecturing me for holding a different opinion than you.
Oh, I see. Having kids suddenly reverses the lack of evidence for your creator and magically will make me accept a God who would allow (relatively) arbitrary finite actions to result in eternal torture… Makes perfect sense.[/quote]
No.
Again you miss the point; which is the point. [/quote]
??? Are you just making this up as you go along?
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No. I know it’s difficult for you to imagine, but there actually is someone other than yourself who knows what he’s talking about.
Ah yes, how could I have possibly missed that incredibly vague refference… maybe because even now that you’ve explained it it still doesn’t make sense, perhaps?
So, if I have this straight, given what I wrote it’s clear that I don’t have kids because if I had kids and told them this they may grow up to be serial killers… therefore?
…That’s some air-tight reasoning you’ve got there Cortes.
But alright, ones opinion is validated by the actions of those who may or may not of held similar beliefs. My death count is 17 and the Christian death count is… Oh my, I’m going to need a bigger calculator for this. ;)[/quote]
I’ll tell you one reason you are getting a razzing from some of the older members, it’s because you walk around with that big old chip on your shoulder. I personally don’t care about your age, but you might think about adjusting that attitude if you desire respect so much. And it’s blindingly clear you do.
Now, at the risk of just making the dumb mistake of playing the foil to your ego in this foolish performance, to your question:
Here, again, is your quote:
Would you or would you not agree that this would be good advice to give to a child? Feel free to adjust the analogy to fit earthly conditions. Please don’t complicate the question. I know you are smart and can figure out what I’m saying without our having to go back and forth for three more posts defining terms. A simple yes or no with a short caveat, if you please, will suffice.
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My attitude? What a joke. I’m pretty sure every one of you has thrown out an insult at me at least once. I have done no such thing. If anyone is in need of an attitude check, it’s the lot of you. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t care about your respect. Remember, I didn’t come here to talk to you. You all came to me, not the other way around.
Yes, I believe this is good advice. If there is any adjustment to be made to make it more relevant to earthly conditions, it would be to replace “Heaven” with “happiness” and “Hell” with “misery”.
Well I, unlike you, do respect the opinions of 8 year olds and I don’t judge what is correct and incorrect based on the age or any other irrelevant factor of the person making their argument.[/quote]
That’s because you are too young to appreciate the value of experience and wisdom which only comes with age. And that’s probably why my friend Cortes said something on the order that you don’t have children of your own. When you do you will soon realize the pure folly of your above statement.
Okay, don’t get me wrong, it’s great that you are involved and you are thinking. It’s over stepping to think that you know enough to lecture others who have not only lived longer but have learned more in that time period. Look at it this way, if we are all around the same intelligence (say it’s close) but most of us have 10 to 30 years on you what does that mean? It means that many of us have been to college, Grad school, started their own business, entered the ministry, the military, traveled extensively and read far, far more books on the topic than you. And we’ve done this purely by virtue of having lived longer! That doesn’t make you stupid, it just makes you too young to have done what the rest of us may have done, not your fault. And it also means that over all we may have a better handle on separating truth from fantasy.
Really, don’t get all offended. Like I said stay on the issues that you know by virtue of your own experience and depth of knowledge and no one will say anything about your age.
Fair enough?
And I am your friend, who else would take the time to explain this to you?
ZEB[/quote]
Experience is certainly valuable relative to a skill, but when it comes to logic it isn’t necessary. When it comes to painting a flower, the more experience the better, but when it comes to something logical or factual; 1+1=2 for example, experience is irrelevant. No matter how old you are it will not make this statement any more or less correct. Just as in the bible, it is either consistent or inconsistent. No amount of experience will change this and so to say I am wrong for any reason other than for what facts are directly connected to the issue is a logical fallacy. If there IS a verse in the bible where God says his rules are now obsolete, then fine. If not, then it is wrong to assume so. No amount of age will change this.
Also, don’t make the mistake of claiming I am here lecturing you. You all came to me and began lecturing me for holding a different opinion than you.[/quote]
Age does in fact enter into it on every level. Especially when it comes to contemplating the vast universe. Many scientists have flip flopped on what they thought was truth after a decade or two of contemplation. But you in your 18 year old thinking can’t grasp this. You’re too busy being defensive and trying to explain why you are a really sharp cookie and depth experience and how well read someone is means nothing. If you think that the thoughts that you live with daily will not change by virtue of you growing older and adding a plethora of experience you are in fact proving my point about the immature mind.
And now we are at a place where many Internet arguments recycle. So I will begin with this one.
Please explain why the following is true:
[quote]In the long run age and experience mean a great deal. If they meant nothing there would be no age limit on driving, drinking voting and entering the military. Let’s face it when a government entity, or large corporation is looking for a really good man (or woman) to head up a new division they’re not thinking “what we need is a really smart teenager to pull this off…Someone with Internet experience…”
They’re looking for depth and breadth of knowledge and experience. And all of this just doesn’t come at the age of 18.[/quote]
