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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

I support the freedom of the individual. I support the ACLU, and people’s right to do what they want when they want (obviously outside of hurting others). I am close to a libertarian in this respect… and your “values voters” often seem to hold the values of imposing their own morals on others, by force if necessary.

Values voters are the ones who walk off the pulpit, into the voting booth, and then go bomb an abortion clinic. You can keep your values, thanks.
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You don’t think your tax dollars are going to pay for the consequences of people’s lifestyle choices? You are very naive.

For example, as a result of a gay’s lifestyle choice, they get the majority of HIV and many have no health insurance. Who pays for their treatment smart guy? YOU DO!

So don’t give us this crap that people can do what they want because it doesn’t affect anyone else. It always affects others in one way or the other.

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

I support the freedom of the individual. I support the ACLU, and people’s right to do what they want when they want (obviously outside of hurting others). I am close to a libertarian in this respect… and your “values voters” often seem to hold the values of imposing their own morals on others, by force if necessary.

Values voters are the ones who walk off the pulpit, into the voting booth, and then go bomb an abortion clinic. You can keep your values, thanks.

You don’t think your tax dollars are going to pay for the consequences of people’s lifestyle choices? You are very naive.

For example, as a result of a gay’s lifestyle choice, they get the majority of HIV and many have no health insurance. Who pays for their treatment smart guy? YOU DO!

So don’t give us this crap that people can do what they want because it doesn’t affect anyone else. It always affects others in one way or the other.

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What the fuck is wrong with you hillbillies? Do all you motherfuckers live in the world of the early 80s’ when only gays and heroin addicts got AIDS?

Man, I know your broads still tease their hair up and shit, but I’d have thought you guys still have found the news or something.

AIDS is not a gay disease you dumbfuck. Good to see you’re still dumb as a stump… I was worried something had changed in my absensce from this forum…

Why are Thunder, RJ, and BB the only conservatives that manage to not sound like dumb shits when they debate?

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And since when do the majority of gays not have health insurance? What the fuck do you know about it?

My God, the idiocy is everywhere.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

I support the freedom of the individual. I support the ACLU, and people’s right to do what they want when they want (obviously outside of hurting others). I am close to a libertarian in this respect… and your “values voters” often seem to hold the values of imposing their own morals on others, by force if necessary.

Values voters are the ones who walk off the pulpit, into the voting booth, and then go bomb an abortion clinic. You can keep your values, thanks.

You don’t think your tax dollars are going to pay for the consequences of people’s lifestyle choices? You are very naive.

For example, as a result of a gay’s lifestyle choice, they get the majority of HIV and many have no health insurance. Who pays for their treatment smart guy? YOU DO!

So don’t give us this crap that people can do what they want because it doesn’t affect anyone else. It always affects others in one way or the other.

What the fuck is wrong with you hillbillies? Do all you motherfuckers live in the world of the early 80s’ when only gays and heroin addicts got AIDS?

Man, I know your broads still tease their hair up and shit, but I’d have thought you guys still have found the news or something.

AIDS is not a gay disease you dumbfuck. Good to see you’re still dumb as a stump… I was worried something had changed in my absensce from this forum…

Why are Thunder, RJ, and BB the only conservatives that manage to not sound like dumb shits when they debate?[/quote]

That is too funny! You sound like and Gay lobbyist!

Here are the facts, which as usual, you are clueless to:

Per the CDC: Redirect Page

Estimated # of AIDS Cases, Through 2006:

Male-to-male sexual contact - 465,965
Injection drug use - 244,889
Male-to-male sexual contact and injection drug use - 68,516
High-risk heterosexual contact** - 173,493
Other*** - 20,489

Total cases: 973,352
Percent through homosexual contact or contact with a high risk person (homosexual): 73%

**Heterosexual contact with a person known to have, or to be at high risk for, HIV infection (i.e. homosexual men)
*** Includes hemophilia, blood transfusion, perinatal exposure, and risk not reported or not identified.

So we see that as homosexuals are considered high risk because of their sexual practices that approx. 73% of all AIDS cases are related to homosexual behaviors/lifestyle.

Humm? 73% gay, not a gay disease? Riiiiight!

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As has been stated, the JOB of the court is to either uphold laws/rulings or strike them down on the basis of whether the law is CONSTITUTIONAL or not. How popular a law or ruling is does not matter in the slightest.

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[quote]fireplug52 wrote:
As has been stated, the JOB of the court is to either uphold laws/rulings or strike them down on the basis of whether the law is CONSTITUTIONAL or not. How popular a law or ruling is does not matter in the slightest.[/quote]

And if that is what actually occurred there would be no issues and it would also not be a focus of either political party. But the fact is appointed judges frequently make decisions based on their own bias, not the law. That is why republicans and democrats push for a political office; so the elected politician can appoint a judge that makes decisions based on a similar political etiology. That is why the system is flawed.

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

I support the freedom of the individual. I support the ACLU, and people’s right to do what they want when they want (obviously outside of hurting others). I am close to a libertarian in this respect… and your “values voters” often seem to hold the values of imposing their own morals on others, by force if necessary.

Values voters are the ones who walk off the pulpit, into the voting booth, and then go bomb an abortion clinic. You can keep your values, thanks.

You don’t think your tax dollars are going to pay for the consequences of people’s lifestyle choices? You are very naive.

For example, as a result of a gay’s lifestyle choice, they get the majority of HIV and many have no health insurance. Who pays for their treatment smart guy? YOU DO!

So don’t give us this crap that people can do what they want because it doesn’t affect anyone else. It always affects others in one way or the other.

What the fuck is wrong with you hillbillies? Do all you motherfuckers live in the world of the early 80s’ when only gays and heroin addicts got AIDS?

Man, I know your broads still tease their hair up and shit, but I’d have thought you guys still have found the news or something.

AIDS is not a gay disease you dumbfuck. Good to see you’re still dumb as a stump… I was worried something had changed in my absensce from this forum…

Why are Thunder, RJ, and BB the only conservatives that manage to not sound like dumb shits when they debate?

That is too funny! You sound like and Gay lobbyist!

Here are the facts, which as usual, you are clueless to:

Per the CDC: Redirect Page

Estimated # of AIDS Cases, Through 2006:

Male-to-male sexual contact - 465,965
Injection drug use - 244,889
Male-to-male sexual contact and injection drug use - 68,516
High-risk heterosexual contact** - 173,493
Other*** - 20,489

Total cases: 973,352
Percent through homosexual contact or contact with a high risk person (homosexual): 73%

**Heterosexual contact with a person known to have, or to be at high risk for, HIV infection (i.e. homosexual men)
*** Includes hemophilia, blood transfusion, perinatal exposure, and risk not reported or not identified.

So we see that as homosexuals are considered high risk because of their sexual practices that approx. 73% of all AIDS cases are related to homosexual behaviors/lifestyle.

Humm? 73% gay, not a gay disease? Riiiiight!

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My friend has been with a ridiculous number of women, all without use of a condom. Anyways, he goes in to get tested for HIV rather scared. The nurse asks him, “Have you been having sex with any men?” “No,” he replied. “Then you don’t have anything to worry about,” she said.

C. Everett Koop, when testifying before congress, said that he estimated that less than 3% of the HIV infections in the United States per year were due to heterosexual contact. The overwhelming majority were due to homosexual contact or IV drug use.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
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C. Everett Koop, when testifying before congress, said that he estimated that less than 3% of the HIV infections in the United States per year were due to heterosexual contact. The overwhelming majority were due to homosexual contact or IV drug use.
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And of those, the majority were women acquiring the virus from men - the odds of a man catching HIV from heterosexual contact fall on the slim end of “slim and none.”

http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2005_08_21-2005_08_27.shtml#1124839415

http://www.volokh.com/archives/archive_2005_08_21-2005_08_27.shtml#1124903390

It does no good to lie to people about it - lying about it just discredits the rest of what you say. It’s much easier to acquire herpes, which is also incurable, or a vicious case of the clap or syphilis, which are developing resistance to antibiotics.

ADDENDUM: I should add that this applies in the U.S. and other developed northern countries. For some reason - I suspect a prevalence of other diseases that can lead to open sores - in more tropical climes and in 3rd-world countries it seems HIV/AIDS is more easily passed to men via heterosexual contact.

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:
fireplug52 wrote:
As has been stated, the JOB of the court is to either uphold laws/rulings or strike them down on the basis of whether the law is CONSTITUTIONAL or not. How popular a law or ruling is does not matter in the slightest.

And if that is what actually occurred there would be no issues and it would also not be a focus of either political party. But the fact is appointed judges frequently make decisions based on their own bias, not the law. That is why republicans and democrats push for a political office; so the elected politician can appoint a judge that makes decisions based on a similar political etiology. That is why the system is flawed.[/quote]

The only flaw in the system is that it relies on human beings who can and will fail. That is why we have checks and balances.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

I support the freedom of the individual. I support the ACLU, and people’s right to do what they want when they want (obviously outside of hurting others). I am close to a libertarian in this respect… and your “values voters” often seem to hold the values of imposing their own morals on others, by force if necessary.

Values voters are the ones who walk off the pulpit, into the voting booth, and then go bomb an abortion clinic. You can keep your values, thanks.

You don’t think your tax dollars are going to pay for the consequences of people’s lifestyle choices? You are very naive.

For example, as a result of a gay’s lifestyle choice, they get the majority of HIV and many have no health insurance. Who pays for their treatment smart guy? YOU DO!

So don’t give us this crap that people can do what they want because it doesn’t affect anyone else. It always affects others in one way or the other.

What the fuck is wrong with you hillbillies? Do all you motherfuckers live in the world of the early 80s’ when only gays and heroin addicts got AIDS?

Man, I know your broads still tease their hair up and shit, but I’d have thought you guys still have found the news or something.

AIDS is not a gay disease you dumbfuck. Good to see you’re still dumb as a stump… I was worried something had changed in my absensce from this forum…

Why are Thunder, RJ, and BB the only conservatives that manage to not sound like dumb shits when they debate?

That is too funny! You sound like and Gay lobbyist!

Here are the facts, which as usual, you are clueless to:

Per the CDC: Redirect Page

Estimated # of AIDS Cases, Through 2006:

Male-to-male sexual contact - 465,965
Injection drug use - 244,889
Male-to-male sexual contact and injection drug use - 68,516
High-risk heterosexual contact** - 173,493
Other*** - 20,489

Total cases: 973,352
Percent through homosexual contact or contact with a high risk person (homosexual): 73%

**Heterosexual contact with a person known to have, or to be at high risk for, HIV infection (i.e. homosexual men)
*** Includes hemophilia, blood transfusion, perinatal exposure, and risk not reported or not identified.

So we see that as homosexuals are considered high risk because of their sexual practices that approx. 73% of all AIDS cases are related to homosexual behaviors/lifestyle.

Humm? 73% gay, not a gay disease? Riiiiight!

My friend has been with a ridiculous number of women, all without use of a condom. Anyways, he goes in to get tested for HIV rather scared. The nurse asks him, “Have you been having sex with any men?” “No,” he replied. “Then you don’t have anything to worry about,” she said.

C. Everett Koop, when testifying before congress, said that he estimated that less than 3% of the HIV infections in the United States per year were due to heterosexual contact. The overwhelming majority were due to homosexual contact or IV drug use.
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Damn it PRCalDude, stop making so much sense. FightinIrish26 goes into seizures when his ridiculous arguments are refuted with facts.