First, I am not sure either of the Clintons has ever been “for” anything in their lives, rather than “against” what the opposition or opportune poll or moment shows to be most unpopular.
Second, I think she may have been running “for” President beforehand, considering this is probably the one thing she wants above all others…
Third, I think she make make a tactical consideration that running against Trump is an easier path to the White House than running for President. It would fit with her personality and past decision making paradigm.
I actually didn’t know that. When you wrote “that an HRC presidency wouldn’t be catastrophically worse than a Trump presidency” I naturally assumed that you had a shine on for her.
Because…
A Hillary Presidency would I strongly believe be worse than a Trump Presidency for the reasons that I previously stated and for so very many more.
Ha ha…I agree with that. But for the many who are open minded and currently think Hillary should be President probably because she has a vagina…those folks will get a wake up call really soon. A cruel awakening to just exactly how the Clinton’s treat women and so much more.
If you have followed literally anything about my posts for the last, I don’t know, 15 years that I have been posting here you would know I despise her.
The fact that I believe differently than you does not mean that I like or even can tolerate her. It means I have a different assessment of the probable consequences of the two potential administrations than you. That’s it. That’s all, the end. You assume foolishly, although unsurprisingly.
You are an important guy and I really try very hard to never miss even one of your posts regardless of what section of T Nation you post. But even with that said. Your above statement is indeed foolish as are you if you truly believe that there is no difference between the two candidates and either one would do,and they are equally bad.
The funny part about it is the stuff they are digging up on Trump literally pales in the face of what the Clintons have done.
Trump actually may have spoken on a phone call 25 years ago and said he was someone else! OMG he’s done…
Ha it’s laughable
Oh wait another bombshell has come in. 30 years ago Trump cheated on his wife. And my gosh the man hired attractive women in his corporation and dated a couple of them. Well…I never!
Compare those misdemeanors with Bill and Hillary’s high crimes.
To answer Mufasa’s original question. In the general election not much will stick to Trump because in comparison to Hillary and Bill he is a boy scout.
Let’s rephrase this: YOUR opinion is that my statement is foolish. For you to make that a statement of fact means that you would have to have omniscience. You do not have such a power. You have a different opinion than I. That’s it. It does not follow, and has never followed, that because you have a different opinion than I do I must surely take a shine to Hillary. Or that because our opinions differ yours is de facto the correct one and mine is not.
The uncertainty in assessment of the two potential administrations consequences is large. Short term effects, long term policy effects, long term geopolitical effects, and unknown events that are uncontrollable all play into this. The only thing that is certain, for me, is that the country loses both ways.
I doubt that much will stick either wrt lawsuits and wives, but will somehow have to be answered for.
Killary though, she just comes off as a weak but overly intrusive grandma. We’re just getting done with two terms of weak ass leadership, and there is no doubt that Putin and co. Would dick slap her right out of the seat at their table. Then the terror orgs. Would take libertys on our soil that they absolutely would not under a more powerful and fearsome leader.
Again, there is losing and there is losing. One can invest $1,000 in the stock market and lose it all. Then again one can invest 1 million dollars in the stock market and lose it all.
So, we can lose either way right? But I think one candidate and I won’t mention any names, but she wears a long pants suit all the time, is worse than Trump.
Please say you agree with me or I will not be able to sleep tonight…come on PULEEEEEZ?
I’m actually not so sure that Hillary would even come close to being as weak as Obama. But with that said I do think that the wacko leaders around the globe would bend a knee to Trump. Simply because they think he’s just a tad impulsive and may like nothing more than to show US might.
That by the way that is not a bad thing. Ronal Reagan brought the Soviets to their Knees, backed off Libya, freed hostages in Grenada and also on his first day in office Iran released the 52 American hostages they were holding for 444 days with no shots fired. They thought Reagan was a crazy cowboy who would come after them.
Before anyone goes ballistic I DO NOT think Trump is another Reagan. But the point is the same.
Well, you would be mistaken. I have been politically aware since Bill Clinton was serving as president. I remember all the scandals. And I do my homework. I am not objecting to you having a different opinion. I am objecting to the terrible assumptions you have made about my liking of particular candidates because my opinion differs from you in my analysis of their shitheadedness. I am also objecting to the short, declarative statements you have made with 100% certainty–that you KNOW Hillary is worse than Trump–and that because I do not think the situation is black and white in the same exact manner that you do, I am wrong and also foolish to think differently.
It is your prerogative to believe me mistaken. Fine. It is not the same thing as making a declarative statement with 100% certainty about a subject you cannot know with anything approaching 100% certitude–as you have been doing for quite some time now regarding the two candidates in question. There is a LARGE magnitude of uncertainty associated with analyzing potential administrations between these two, and I don’t think you have bothered to investigate all the implications of Trump because he has an R next to his name.
I think it does bring up another point…and that’s authenticity.
I don’t know about you guys…but every time I listen to Clinton talk…especially in an interview…she seems like she is saying one thing…but is only believing part (on even NONE) of it simply because she wants to get elected.
She says “too many” of the right things.
Now…while one may not LIKE what Trump says…I do think that “what comes up, comes out”. It’s authentic and represents what he truly believes.
As a side note; many of my African American friends like Trump for that reason (in much the same way that many of the Bounty Hunter “Dog” Chapman strongest supporters were African American).
It is doubtful that this “like” of Trump by African Americans will turn into Votes because of the perception of how the President was treated by Conservatives.
Well, let’s take a look at that. First of all is Trump really a republican? He was a democrat long before he was a republican. He was also a democrat for many more years than he was a republican. Got it Chief?
Secondly, I am a republican so what? I’m proud of it and instead of mindlessly claiming that I am for Trump “because he has an R next to his name” you might first try to realize why I’m a republican.
You know…more conservative judges, lower taxes, stronger military. Yeah all things being equal I’ll take the republican every time at the Presidential level. Locally is another matter
If you want to play Joe Moderate you can join 3 or four of the other’s who would rather bash Trump than a far more serious villain go ahead I don’t care. But when you say you think both would be equally bad or some such nonsense I will call you out on it.
We all have our opinions you disagree with mine I don’t care
I disagree with you and for some reason you care WAY more than you should.
If Trump spends a dime trying to get African American votes he’s a bigger fool than I already think he is. They are bought and paid for by the democrat party.
Yeah…I brought it up in the context of Trump…but if you want to discuss African American voting 1) start another thread and 2) talk honestly and openly with one of your non-Conservative African American friends (if you have them…).
Yep! Like last week when she was polling poorly in Wva, and had to address the unemployed coal miner. She cloyingly insulted their intelligence by telling everybody that she didn’t say what they think she said… Roll tape…
Sometimes I’m glad when I’m wrong. Last week was one of those times.
I’ve seen a good bit of positive sentiment among the few African Americans I’ve known toward conservativism.I can’t hazard a guess as to which way that would go, other than to say that many of their votes are far from bought and paid for. There seems to be a big fissure forming from that old mindset.
I agree the dems never have to spend a dime during the election to win a vote. As long as they support the welfare system they are making an entire class of people dependent on them. And it’s not only black people obviously. There are even more whites who are on the government dole. Democrats grow their constituency by making people of all colors more dependent on government. Be it welfare, food stamps extended unemployment or the other 136 federal programs that hand people free stuff.
That is my point. And that is why it is more difficult for a republican to capture the White House. Obama has expanded the democrat dependency base quite nicely.
It would take a really horrible candidate with no charisma and no natural feel for politics. A real liar who gets caught in scandal after scandal for a republican to win–thank God for Hillary!