[quote]duffyj2 wrote:
In fairness, the only three atheistic states I can think of are Stalinist Russia, Maoist China and Nazi Germany.[/quote]
Nazi Germany was Catholic. Why do people still think they were atheist?
[quote]AttackOfTheChris wrote:
It was discovered in letters that she wrote, that Mother Theresa lost her faith in God almost the entire time she was doing the work that made her so well known and till the end of her life I believe.
It made her depressed as as fuck but she continued to help people, simply to help them. I think that says more about her character and dedication than if she had done the same thing with the advantage of faith. She went from being externally influenced by dogma and believing that there is some intrinsic objective meaning to everything to being driven by her own will.
Makavali I’m curious as to why you called her a disgusting person, do you know something that I dont?[/quote]
Too political, sharing hypodermic needles, not making a distinction between ill and terminally ill, cold showers for all patients, not hiring or finding doctors (or any medical professional) there really is too much. She was no saint.
“I think it is very beautiful for the poor to accept their lot, to share it with the passion of Christ. I think the world is being much helped by the suffering of the poor people.”
Give me a fucking break. This woman encouraged poor people to “accept” poverty.
Let’s not even get started on her politicizing her views on contraception (which she labeled as one of the biggest destroyers of peace).
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
legendaryblaze wrote:
“The greatest fear, is fear of the unknown”
Except that it’s not unknown. You have already ‘not-existed’ before, with no worries.
Personally I think it is the fault of religion, to have created a BS afterlife (you go to the good one if you serve me, the bad one if you cross me) that has been instilled in us.
BBB
Are you honestly claiming that you know what happens after you die?
Do you know how the universe came into existence too and how it all started too?
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Perhaps he’s being honest and claiming he doesn’t know. I don’t and you don’t.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
duffyj2 wrote:
In fairness, the only three atheistic states I can think of are Stalinist Russia, Maoist China and Nazi Germany.
Nazi Germany was Catholic. Why do people still think they were atheist?[/quote]
What?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Makavali wrote:
duffyj2 wrote:
In fairness, the only three atheistic states I can think of are Stalinist Russia, Maoist China and Nazi Germany.
Nazi Germany was Catholic. Why do people still think they were atheist?
What?[/quote]
I know, but if he’s going to deny fact, so am I.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Makavali wrote:
duffyj2 wrote:
In fairness, the only three atheistic states I can think of are Stalinist Russia, Maoist China and Nazi Germany.
Nazi Germany was Catholic. Why do people still think they were atheist?
What?
I know, but if he’s going to deny fact, so am I.[/quote]
Oh, ok. I see what you did there.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Makavali wrote:
duffyj2 wrote:
In fairness, the only three atheistic states I can think of are Stalinist Russia, Maoist China and Nazi Germany.
Nazi Germany was Catholic. Why do people still think they were atheist?
What?
I know, but if he’s going to deny fact, so am I.
Oh, ok. I see what you did there.[/quote]
If we want to get into the guts of it, Nazi Germany stole from Christianity and Pagan ideas, mixed them up and created a state endorsed cult. Definitely not Christian or Atheist.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
AttackOfTheChris wrote:
It was discovered in letters that she wrote, that Mother Theresa lost her faith in God almost the entire time she was doing the work that made her so well known and till the end of her life I believe.
It made her depressed as as fuck but she continued to help people, simply to help them. I think that says more about her character and dedication than if she had done the same thing with the advantage of faith. She went from being externally influenced by dogma and believing that there is some intrinsic objective meaning to everything to being driven by her own will.
Makavali I’m curious as to why you called her a disgusting person, do you know something that I dont?
Too political, sharing hypodermic needles, not making a distinction between ill and terminally ill, cold showers for all patients, not hiring or finding doctors (or any medical professional) there really is too much. She was no saint.
“I think it is very beautiful for the poor to accept their lot, to share it with the passion of Christ. I think the world is being much helped by the suffering of the poor people.”
Give me a fucking break. This woman encouraged poor people to “accept” poverty.
Let’s not even get started on her politicizing her views on contraception (which she labeled as one of the biggest destroyers of peace).[/quote]
Ah I see, thanks for the info. I’ll have to do some more reading to get a clearer picture, the things you described definitely sound stupid and incompetent.
I’ve actually met a few christians that talk about suffering almost as if it is some kind of goal, and they hold poor people on a pedestle. Like being poor itself gives you some sort of spiritual edge, as if no poor people are assholes. Really bizzare.
[quote]AttackOfTheChris wrote:
Ah I see, thanks for the info. I’ll have to do some more reading to get a clearer picture, the things you described definitely sound stupid and incompetent. I’ve actually met a few christians that talk about suffering almost as if it is some kind of goal, and they hold poor people on a pedestle. Like being poor itself gives you some sort of spiritual edge, as if no poor people are assholes. Really bizzare.
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Basically, it’s a smear campaign by people who will never, ever, ever, spend the amount of hours she did, off the couch, out in the field. If she’s disgusting then drunk Troskyites like Hitchens, who is probably the origin of this, are monsters. I didn’t see him show up to share the burden with the sisters. Ask Mak how many leper homes he oversees.
[quote]debraD wrote:
legendaryblaze wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
legendaryblaze wrote:
“The greatest fear, is fear of the unknown”
Except that it’s not unknown. You have already ‘not-existed’ before, with no worries.
Personally I think it is the fault of religion, to have created a BS afterlife (you go to the good one if you serve me, the bad one if you cross me) that has been instilled in us.
BBB
Are you honestly claiming that you know what happens after you die?
Do you know how the universe came into existence too and how it all started too?
I can’t speak for BBB but I’m comfortable saying I know what happens when I die–that I will cease to exist. Just as others know they are going to an afterlife.
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How could you possibly know that?
I understand why religious people delude themselves into believing they know what happens after death, but I don’t understand why a non-religious person would claim to know this.
[quote]Regular Gonzalez wrote:
How could you possibly know that?
I understand why religious people delude themselves into believing they know what happens after death, but I don’t understand why a non-religious person would claim to know this. [/quote]
Because, from a purely scientific view, thought arises from the brain. Brain rots, thought ceases, no afterlife.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
IQ wrote:
If you wouldn’t prevent your death (assuming that you have the ability) that would mean that you have a preference for death.
Nope. It could mean I don’t have a preference either way, so need to expend any energy preventing or hastening my death.[/quote]
Well I suppose Nihilsm would also fit so I’ll concede that point to you.
Preferring something doesn’t necessarily mean that you fear its opposite, for example if it’s cold outside I put on a coat because I prefer to be warm not because I fear the cold.
If there was a death preventing drug, death would no longer be inevitable therefore that argument isn’t applicable.
And as far as your guarantee is concerned I wouldn’t be interested in any such drug as I find the thought of eternal life horrific. I very much doubt that I am the only one.
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
I have to say I quintessentially agree with Sloth here.
I respect the fact he is choosing not to elaborate and allowing the reader to think.
I will refrain from elaborating also but will add this:
Acceptance = love = life
Abandonment = rejection = death
Our conscious actions and retractions in life are motivated by mankind’s greatest fear and humiliation:
The fear of annihilation.
How many of us are afraid to say or do what we really would like to if it were not for the fear of social abandonment which would imply rejection by society and ultimately psychological/emotional death?
Fear runs at the very fabric of our beings under a condition of inner deficiency.
Death is a condition resulting from a molecular deficiency - the process of self regeneration is potentially there and yet it just ceases to operate. That signals a deficiency in the living organism.
We are broken and that is why fear just is part of our existence.
When love is absent from the world we fear therefore we exist.
In the presence of love there remains only life and freedom.
Unless you are spiritually free you cannot claim fearlessness.
In my humble experience,
Alpha F
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Alpha F,
Why is it that those that are afraid of death (as well as those who usually hold other associated beliefs) believe that all of humanity must mirror their perceptions?
The above post may indicate why you (and some others) fear death, but isn’t it a little narcissistic to believe that people couldn’t possibly think differently to you and must be in denial to entertain such a fantasy?
Have you noticed that those who don’t hold a fear of death aren’t assuming that nobody does?
This is the main problem, people are different and as such think differently. Why is this so hard for some people to grasp?
[quote]pw34 wrote:
The real and only truth is in the holy bible.God created everything.And if u dont believe that I dare u to truly study the bible an you will find all your answers.Heaven or hell u chose.[/quote]
Unless of course you have chosen the wrong religion, in which case you’re still going to hell.
Religious people spend so much time worrying over their “next” life they forget to live THIS life.
Stop thinking humans are “special” we ain’t we are just another species sharing this planet and when we die THAT’S IT.
Good god, is not one life enough for ye ?
I’m 99.9% positive there are hardly NONE of ye living life to the full.
But hey we get another go or eternal afterlife so why bother eh ! Great excuse for mediocrity.
In the meantime i’m going Bungee Jumping in 5 hrs WOO HOO !
For those that have not done it, do it you get the immense feeling your plunging to your doom and at the last second get pulled away - No Godlike idiocy needed just science 
[quote]IQ wrote:
pw34 wrote:
The real and only truth is in the holy bible.God created everything.And if u dont believe that I dare u to truly study the bible an you will find all your answers.Heaven or hell u chose.
Unless of course you have chosen the wrong religion, in which case you’re still going to hell.[/quote]
Way i see it, if there is a God and im 99.999999999999999% positive there ain’t s/he/it ain’t going to be to pleased with “man” telling other “man” how to live life and how to worship s/he/it
More than likely i’ll get into the next life before any religious nut would do as i try to enjoy life and help people out as much as i can.
If everyone did that the world would be a MUCH better place instead of all these religious nut jobs. If one REALLY needs to believe in something, believe in yourself. Hell you’ll be dead before you know it, so try less time believing in mythical beings and more time having fun.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
After I die, electrical activity in my brain will have ceased. There will be no more concious or unconscious thought.
Enzymes within my cells will no longer be controlled by those cells, resulting in autolysis (‘decay from within’). Bacteria in my intestines will begin to overgrow, leading to bloating and gas, on a huge scale. Other bacteria will begin to feast on my flesh, however this will be a relatively slow process, slowed by the fact that I live in modern society and hence by default consume relatively large amounts of preservatives.
Eventually I will decay down to some sort of primordial sludge, whilst my bones peer cheekily through my mantle of decaying flesh. Eventually they too will degrade to the point of unrecogniseability.
However whilst this is happening to my remains, I’m sure others will be relaxing in some mythical, fantastical ‘paradise’. Yeah, right.
If you have any proof that there is any alternative ‘afterlife’ to the one I describe (other than to have my head frozen cryogenically, and then thawed out for cyberpunks to play football with) then please share it with me.
What does the birth or death of the universe have to do with little old me?
BBB[/quote]
You forgot you will piss and shit yourself when you die as your bowels relax
And hello good sir 
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
“The greatest fear, is fear of the unknown”
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No the greatest fear, is the fear that you were to scared to take control of your own life so you signed up to the greatest lie ever told that somewhere a great big teacup in the sky is looking out for you.
That’s the definition of fear… “be afraid or feel anxious or apprehensive about a possible or probable situation or event”
If you were like BBB or I you would be FAR to busy with current events rather than worrying about something that may not even be true.
How sad is that
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Makavali wrote:
duffyj2 wrote:
In fairness, the only three atheistic states I can think of are Stalinist Russia, Maoist China and Nazi Germany.
Nazi Germany was Catholic. Why do people still think they were atheist?
What?
I know, but if he’s going to deny fact, so am I.[/quote]
New Zealand is actually part of Australia, the Kiwi’s just ain’t figured it out yet.
^See what i did there