That’s my understanding as well since it’s pulsatory by nature like Leucine only being able to spike protein synthesis a maximum of every 2 hours.
I could be wrong, but I think it also has a lot to do with steady levels, and of course everyone is different. Personally, I know I can’t handle some of the levels some guys are doing, but for some reason it works for them an if they have better loads, sensitivity, fertility and active balls why not, considering life without it. Also , considering it’s only $75.00 per 12,000IU its cheap. I’m a believer.
First Ive heard that testicular atrophy leads to any noticeable ejaculate volume. Considering a vasectomy equates to less than a 5% loss I would think its barely noticeable.
I’m saying that if you did the same shot EOD instead of ED, you would get exactly the same effect and get twice as long out of your product. Most guys that use it are using at least 250 iu EOD, from what I am led to believe. Personally, I saw no difference at all at any of those doses.
I’m not a science guy at all, but I know for a fact I have a lot more volume with HGC than without……absolutely.
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Again I could be wrong on this but my understand id HCG ½ life is about 36 hours, and in reality it “feels” gone at 24.
Thom Turcotte
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It’s about the receptors not being able to be activated again that soon. It doesn’t work exactly like LH. You can have it there, but the receptors aren’t ready to use it again that quick. I think @johann77 posted some good sources explaining this a while back.
I’ve read that too but I think that something else is going on besides reduced spermatogenesis leading to the decrease in volume.
There must be a mechanism that is working for you and the other guy. I know that some of us experience a temporary volume decrease when increasing T dose (and not controlling E2) but the volume eventually returns. My thinking is that its related to water retention but I am just drawing lines here.
For clarification are you saying that:
A) You have a normal amount of ejaculate and TRT decreased it and HCG brought it back?
B) You saw no decrease in ejaculate coming onto TRT but introducing HCG increased it over your normal levels?
I inject T EOD and HCG EOD too. So one day T and next day 100iuHCG. Balls came back to normal and I prefer it. Libido was noticeable too. No sides. Will be getting tested soon. Im curious to see my levels
I’d like to ask what is your t dose and your HCG dose and are you high on E2 and liking it?
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The problem with HCG is many guys start with T & HCG, never get to a point where they feel like they should and don’t know where to go. If you just started with T you could get that to where you feel great and then introduce HCG and be able to adjust it to see how you respond to HCG. There’s many guys that don’t respond well to HCG. They just don’t feel as good on it. There’s no real way to know that without first dialing in your T. I don’t think anyone is against HCG but if you start both at the same time and then come here and bitch about how TRT never works then that’s your own fault.
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Thats what I did. No HCG for 11weeks, started a weeks 12. It definitely isnt for everyone. I tolerate it well, at low dose. Currently Im on 160mg a week EOD protocol. Dont know my levels since week 10.
Total T was 1000 with E at 20. This was with an AI. I then dropped the AI and began HCG a bit after.
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@middleages
How much are you using? Do you notice any mental benefits? I’ve got some but have never tried it. I’ve thought about testing it out since I know exactly how I feel on just T.
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FWIW, I have run as low as 150 iu 3X a week. I feel no different on that dose.
What do you get out of it? Larger nuts?
I didn’t notice that. I didn’t really notice much of anything. That’s not saying it does nothing, just that I didn’t really notice much. My nuts stayed pretty consistent (smaller than prior to TRT).
Ok but the problem is, if I’m one of the guys that needs HCG to feel good, I can never feel great on t alone - so I’ll keep spinning my wheels endlessly trying to feel good T only.
HCG is so frustrating for me. Without a doubt it gives me a bit of a libido, mental benefits, better mood, energy, etc. There is something about the endogenous production or the hcg itself or the LH activation that makes a difference. But God damn I can’t get dialed in and it always raises my estrogen and kills my morning wood and sometimes erections are softer. I don’t know how to balance it. But without it, I get almost no benefits of trt. Zero libido. My dick gets smaller at rest and feels dead and numb. Every time I drop it I regret it.
But I’m still not dialed in so I can’t really say.
If you aren’t dialed in on T then you don’t feel good. It takes time and it sucks until you get there. Took me quite a while.
What dose, protocol and durations of T only have you tried?
Interesting, can’t say I’ve heard that, or experienced it myself. I’ll have to ask some of the guys.