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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Is it just me, or did that read like it was written by a Canadian woman?[/quote]
Well, they used punctuation and basic sentence structure, and made reference to being employed, so I guess we can rule out any Texan woman as the author! :)[/quote]
HAHAHA. Well played sir, well played.
My first full time job was as a fisherman at age 16. Working 12 hours on 6 hours off in shitty weather on east-greenland. Best thing that ever happened to me, because had I LIKED my first job, I might never have gone to college.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:
Even though he comes off as a little bitch,I can sorta relate how he feels about his job. I work in a similar setting and I have to remind myself that “Its only temporary. Im only doing this to put myself through school” I feel that if I ended up doing what I do now in another 2 years,i’d probally shoot myself.[/quote]
This is the reason you have these type of jobs Token to make you appreciate your education and job when you get older. Also it is to make you an empathetic person later in life when you are a consumer and find yourself as a customer in a store like this. Makes you appreciate that kid working at that store someday and you treat him with respect. [/quote]
I like this view. So many people forget when things were slim for them. I often see customers (in stores or restaurants) who treat young workers like they own them.
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Always pisses me off to see that also. [/quote]
Same. It makes me feel very uncomfortable when someone is being rude to workers.
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[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:
Even though he comes off as a little bitch,I can sorta relate how he feels about his job. I work in a similar setting and I have to remind myself that “Its only temporary. Im only doing this to put myself through school” I feel that if I ended up doing what I do now in another 2 years,i’d probally shoot myself.[/quote]
This is the reason you have these type of jobs Token to make you appreciate your education and job when you get older. Also it is to make you an empathetic person later in life when you are a consumer and find yourself as a customer in a store like this. Makes you appreciate that kid working at that store someday and you treat him with respect. [/quote]
I like this view. So many people forget when things were slim for them. I often see customers (in stores or restaurants) who treat young workers like they own them.
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Always pisses me off to see that also. [/quote]
Same. It makes me feel very uncomfortable when someone is being rude to workers. [/quote]
That isn’t the whole issue though. If someone fucks up enough, I will tell them, but I understand what you guys are saying.
I used to be that kid picking up shopping carts in 105 degree heat. Therefore, I am way more likely to walk my basket over to him if I see him because I’ve been there.
I picked up trash, was a shopping cart fetcher, worked as a cashier, worked at GNC, and on upward to working in clinics. Those experiences helped me later on because I’ve done just about every job that I now rely on others to do for me.
Above all else, those jobs taught me that I did NOT want to be doing shit like that when I’m 30…so I stayed in school.
I know a lot of people who wish they had now…especially in this economic climate.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:
Even though he comes off as a little bitch,I can sorta relate how he feels about his job. I work in a similar setting and I have to remind myself that “Its only temporary. Im only doing this to put myself through school” I feel that if I ended up doing what I do now in another 2 years,i’d probally shoot myself.[/quote]
This is the reason you have these type of jobs Token to make you appreciate your education and job when you get older. Also it is to make you an empathetic person later in life when you are a consumer and find yourself as a customer in a store like this. Makes you appreciate that kid working at that store someday and you treat him with respect. [/quote]
I like this view. So many people forget when things were slim for them. I often see customers (in stores or restaurants) who treat young workers like they own them.
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Always pisses me off to see that also. [/quote]
Same. It makes me feel very uncomfortable when someone is being rude to workers. [/quote]
That isn’t the whole issue though. If someone fucks up enough, I will tell them, but I understand what you guys are saying.
I used to be that kid picking up shopping carts in 105 degree heat. Therefore, I am way more likely to walk my basket over to him if I see him because I’ve been there.
I picked up trash, was a shopping cart fetcher, worked as a cashier, worked at GNC, and on upward to working in clinics. Those experiences helped me later on because I’ve done just about every job that I now rely on others to do for me.
Above all else, those jobs taught me that I did NOT want to be doing shit like that when I’m 30…so I stayed in school.
I know a lot of people who wish they had now…especially in this economic climate.[/quote]
Agreed, but sometimes people have no option but drop out from school.
I actually know two women (one is almost 30, the other is almost 33) with similar situations in life. Both lost their fathers when 18 and both had to take care of their mothers (one with a heart strike, the other with a deep depression). Also both were helped a lot by a man that appeared in their life. One dropped out of school and got pregnant at 21. The other stayed at school and now is in a very good situation economically.
[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:
[quote]big nurse wrote:
This could turn into a ‘first job/worst job’ thread. Mine as a teenager was working for a cleaning company at the yearly county show. Genuinely hard and dirty work and the company shafted us on pay.
Taught me a lot about the real world though.[/quote]
I was sorta,hoping it did turn into a “worst job” thread,lol. I work in a similar job as the wholefoods guy. Im sorta glad I have the job that I do because when I started working here,I was a wide eyed kid,naive and lacking of any real confidence. Now though,I always stand my ground,look at everybody straight in they eye,and do what im suppose to do as oppose to doing other peoples job.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:
Even though he comes off as a little bitch,I can sorta relate how he feels about his job. I work in a similar setting and I have to remind myself that “Its only temporary. Im only doing this to put myself through school” I feel that if I ended up doing what I do now in another 2 years,i’d probally shoot myself.[/quote]
This is the reason you have these type of jobs Token to make you appreciate your education and job when you get older. Also it is to make you an empathetic person later in life when you are a consumer and find yourself as a customer in a store like this. Makes you appreciate that kid working at that store someday and you treat him with respect. [/quote]
Amen brother. I never fully appreciate how a terrible job can affect peoples lives. It can really make people more angry or depress because your life revolves so much around it. Its really important to find something you like and stick with it,despite the pay or location. I know that once I leave,I’ll never let myself get to the point where im back here again.[/quote]
My worst job was when I was an apprentice for the job I do now.
Low pay, bottom of the work hierarchy, shitty boring mundane work tasks, get shouted at if you fuck up or take too long, long hours, hard physical labour, dirt, dust, smoke, burns, human shit (not often, but it did happen) etc etc etc.
I was just about glad when I was made redundant a few weeks before I got my ticket.
Now I realise that most of the work that I do is like this, and its really not all that much harder than all the entry level bullshit jobs if you’ve done it for a while. It’s just that the money’s a bit better.
I can’t even begin to list all of the skills (job-related, and otherwise) I learnt while I was an apprentice
I gladly do all that same stuff if it means steady work and a paycheck. Gladly.
It’s not fun, but most peoples work isn’t.
I’m fuckin glad I did it. It lets me pay my bills, travel the world, get work in foreign countries with job shortages, and not have to get into debt or sponge off other people while doing it.
I absolutely hated most of the time I was there, but if I ever get back home I should take the people who trained me a big fuckin thank you card, and a case of beer.
On a slightly different note, did anyone read the comments for the first link? Possibly the most interesting thing about that page
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
So one day in high school I swing by McDonald’s to pick up a burger. Lo and behold, it’s my good friend handing it to me out the window!! WTF?!? I didn’t know he had a job there…
So, as it turns out, he went with his dad to buy something a couple of weeks before. Apparently, he made some smartass comment about the employees/shitty job/whatever. Well his dad was pissed and made him apply the same day. And thus, the lesson began.
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The only lesson here is that your friend is a pussy for not standing up to his dad.
What this guy is really complaining about is the group-think mentality that enables stupidity, laziness, greed, back-stabbing, and mindless order-following.
To its very core it is dangerous and left unchecked brings about a society that is incapable of taking responsibility for its own behavior.
I have to admit, sometimes I admire people who have these “shit jobs”. They innocently love their job, work hard, and never complain. There’s something virtuous about that, and it is rare in this country.
My wife’s mom worked in a factory. She enjoyed her work and really hustled every day. She viewed it as a privilege and a means to attain the things she loved in life (camping with her family, shopping, and sharing).
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I have to admit, sometimes I admire people who have these “shit jobs”. They innocently love their job, work hard, and never complain. There’s something virtuous about that, and it is rare in this country.
My wife’s mom worked in a factory. She enjoyed her work and really hustled every day. She viewed it as a privilege and a means to attain the things she loved in life (camping with her family, shopping, and sharing). [/quote]
The people who are happiest in their work tend to treat it as more than just a means to an end but really also an end in and of itself – for example, a place to socialize and make personal connections.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I have to admit, sometimes I admire people who have these “shit jobs”. They innocently love their job, work hard, and never complain. There’s something virtuous about that, and it is rare in this country.
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maybe its cuz they are probably high as a kite and cant tell apart their penis from next tuesday.
I kid, I kid!!!
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
So one day in high school I swing by McDonald’s to pick up a burger. Lo and behold, it’s my good friend handing it to me out the window!! WTF?!? I didn’t know he had a job there…
So, as it turns out, he went with his dad to buy something a couple of weeks before. Apparently, he made some smartass comment about the employees/shitty job/whatever. Well his dad was pissed and made him apply the same day. And thus, the lesson began.
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The only lesson here is that your friend is a pussy for not standing up to his dad.[/quote]
Wow that is spoken like someone young and without children.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
So one day in high school I swing by McDonald’s to pick up a burger. Lo and behold, it’s my good friend handing it to me out the window!! WTF?!? I didn’t know he had a job there…
So, as it turns out, he went with his dad to buy something a couple of weeks before. Apparently, he made some smartass comment about the employees/shitty job/whatever. Well his dad was pissed and made him apply the same day. And thus, the lesson began.
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The only lesson here is that your friend is a pussy for not standing up to his dad.[/quote]
Wow that is spoken like someone young and without children. [/quote]
Or someone who treat his children like adults rather than mindless zombie slaves.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
So one day in high school I swing by McDonald’s to pick up a burger. Lo and behold, it’s my good friend handing it to me out the window!! WTF?!? I didn’t know he had a job there…
So, as it turns out, he went with his dad to buy something a couple of weeks before. Apparently, he made some smartass comment about the employees/shitty job/whatever. Well his dad was pissed and made him apply the same day. And thus, the lesson began.
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The only lesson here is that your friend is a pussy for not standing up to his dad.[/quote]
Wow that is spoken like someone young and without children. [/quote]
Or someone who treat his children like adults rather than mindless zombie slaves.[/quote]
Your children are not adults that is why they are called children, and teaching them a lesson in life is not treating them like mindless slaves. It is taking an entitled spoiled child and making them understand what it means to be an adult. That is called parenting.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
So one day in high school I swing by McDonald’s to pick up a burger. Lo and behold, it’s my good friend handing it to me out the window!! WTF?!? I didn’t know he had a job there…
So, as it turns out, he went with his dad to buy something a couple of weeks before. Apparently, he made some smartass comment about the employees/shitty job/whatever. Well his dad was pissed and made him apply the same day. And thus, the lesson began.
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The only lesson here is that your friend is a pussy for not standing up to his dad.[/quote]
Wow that is spoken like someone young and without children. [/quote]
Or someone who treat his children like adults rather than mindless zombie slaves.[/quote]
Your children are not adults that is why they are called children, and teaching them a lesson in life is not treating them like mindless slaves. It is taking an entitled spoiled child and making them understand what it means to be an adult. That is called parenting. [/quote]
The words child and adult are just convention.
I treat my children like I would an adult.
They are expected to make their own decisions (unless we feel it would bring them physical harm, knowing we are not always going to be around to protect them).
They are expected to be self-reliant.
They are expected to take responsibility for their actions (and the choices they fail to make).
They are expected to act with integrity.
There is no age limit when a parent should expect these things from their children. Teach it early and teach it often. Set the example.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
So one day in high school I swing by McDonald’s to pick up a burger. Lo and behold, it’s my good friend handing it to me out the window!! WTF?!? I didn’t know he had a job there…
So, as it turns out, he went with his dad to buy something a couple of weeks before. Apparently, he made some smartass comment about the employees/shitty job/whatever. Well his dad was pissed and made him apply the same day. And thus, the lesson began.
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The only lesson here is that your friend is a pussy for not standing up to his dad.[/quote]
Wow that is spoken like someone young and without children. [/quote]
Or someone who treat his children like adults rather than mindless zombie slaves.[/quote]
Your children are not adults that is why they are called children, and teaching them a lesson in life is not treating them like mindless slaves. It is taking an entitled spoiled child and making them understand what it means to be an adult. That is called parenting. [/quote]
#1 The words child and adult are just convention.
#2 I treat my children like I would an adult.
#3 They are expected to make their own decisions (unless we feel it would bring them physical harm, knowing we are not always going to be around to protect them).
#4 They are expected to be self-reliant.
#5 They are expected to take responsibility for their actions (and the choices they fail to make).
#6 They are expected to act with integrity.
#7 There is no age limit when a parent should expect these things from their children. Teach it early and teach it often. Set the example.[/quote]
I numbered them to make it easier.
#1 No sorry, a child is dependent on the parent/adult to care, shelter and feed them
#2 No you can be friends with an adult to be a good parent you do not friend a child
#3 NO they are expected to LEARN this could be by example by the parent or taught by the parent
#4 No they are expected to LEARN to be self reliant, no child should pay for food, housing etc
#5 Yes they are expected to LEARN to take responsibility and again this comes from example by the parent
#6 Yes they are expected to LEARN to act with integrity this is another learned trait by modeling
#7 Okay you make this statement which has merit, Here is your flaw.
You quote that this “child” was made to work at a local establishment by the parent and he was a pussy for not standing up to the father.
#1 if this “child” had any integrity he would not be making fun or acting out at the employees of that establishment.
#2 the parent treated the “child” as a child and made him get a job to “teach” him what it means to work for a living
Now while I love having this discussion my only advice is go either have children, coach a pee wee football team or teach at an elementary. These are lessons in life that will teach you that you can NEVER learn how to raise kids out of some book.
If a “child” stands up to his parents, he should be put back into his place quickly unless we are talking about someone nearly grown.
What parenting is being done in a home where the child is constantly allowed to “stand up” to the parents?
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
So one day in high school I swing by McDonald’s to pick up a burger. Lo and behold, it’s my good friend handing it to me out the window!! WTF?!? I didn’t know he had a job there…
So, as it turns out, he went with his dad to buy something a couple of weeks before. Apparently, he made some smartass comment about the employees/shitty job/whatever. Well his dad was pissed and made him apply the same day. And thus, the lesson began.
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The only lesson here is that your friend is a pussy for not standing up to his dad.[/quote]
Wow that is spoken like someone young and without children. [/quote]
Or someone who treat his children like adults rather than mindless zombie slaves.[/quote]
Your children are not adults that is why they are called children, and teaching them a lesson in life is not treating them like mindless slaves. It is taking an entitled spoiled child and making them understand what it means to be an adult. That is called parenting. [/quote]
The words child and adult are just convention.
I treat my children like I would an adult.
They are expected to make their own decisions (unless we feel it would bring them physical harm, knowing we are not always going to be around to protect them).
They are expected to be self-reliant.
They are expected to take responsibility for their actions (and the choices they fail to make).
They are expected to act with integrity.
There is no age limit when a parent should expect these things from their children. Teach it early and teach it often. Set the example.[/quote]
Self reliant?
Doesn’t that require the ability to care for yourself?
They have jobs?
They pay rent?
WTF are you talking about?
What you are writing is just a great way to raise a kid with ZERO discipline who won’t listen to instruction at all.
That isn’t a way to breed winners.
It is pretty much the best way to make sure you r kid ends up in jail.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
If a “child” stands up to his parents, he should be put back into his place quickly unless we are talking about someone nearly grown.
What parenting is being done in a home where the child is constantly allowed to “stand up” to the parents?
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Well X I know you have meet a lot of children in your profession. I would guess in excess of 50% which could be regional of course.