If the U.S went in with the mindset to win from the top then we would obliterate China in a matter of a week or less.
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
If the U.S went in with the mindset to win from the top then we would obliterate China in a matter of a week or less.[/quote]
Well, nukes, and extrapolating from the numbers for Iraq and Afghanistan, how many men would be needed to hold China?
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Again, if the US economy fails and the dollar becomes worthless, who is going to bail us out?
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TBTF?
No.
TBTBO?
Probably.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
If the U.S went in with the mindset to win from the top then we would obliterate China in a matter of a week or less.[/quote]
Well, nukes, and extrapolating from the numbers for Iraq and Afghanistan, how many men would be needed to hold China?
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I think we have the technology to win and the most combat proven military at least in the last 100 years. I’m pretty sure that if we went on a full scale war with China we would at least hopefully finally just leave the middle east.
On a side note the last time the U.S was in a war that they were willing to win at all costs was WW2 and we all know what we did to Japan
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
If the U.S went in with the mindset to win from the top then we would obliterate China in a matter of a week or less.[/quote]
Well, nukes, and extrapolating from the numbers for Iraq and Afghanistan, how many men would be needed to hold China?
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I think we have the technology to win and the most combat proven military at least in the last 100 years. I’m pretty sure that if we went on a full scale war with China we would at least hopefully finally just leave the middle east.[/quote]
Well, desregarding the nukes, what could you possibly win.
You are just barely 200 years old.
They are the oldest continuous civlization on this planet.
The best you could win is being a temporary nuisance, to be shrugged off at the earliest conveniant opportunity.
There is nothing to win in China.
You could probably blow up some stuff, but then again, nukes.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
If the U.S went in with the mindset to win from the top then we would obliterate China in a matter of a week or less.[/quote]
Well, nukes, and extrapolating from the numbers for Iraq and Afghanistan, how many men would be needed to hold China?
[/quote]
I think we have the technology to win and the most combat proven military at least in the last 100 years. I’m pretty sure that if we went on a full scale war with China we would at least hopefully finally just leave the middle east.[/quote]
Well, desregarding the nukes, what could you possibly win.
You are just barely 200 years old.
They are the oldest continuous civlization on this planet.
The best you could win is being a temporary nuisance, to be shrugged off at the earliest conveniant opportunity.
There is nothing to win in China.
You could probably blow up some stuff, but then again, nukes. [/quote]
Win by destroying their country and a breeding out their people. I mean what else would we be going after?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
If the U.S went in with the mindset to win from the top then we would obliterate China in a matter of a week or less.[/quote]
Well, nukes, and extrapolating from the numbers for Iraq and Afghanistan, how many men would be needed to hold China?
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All of China’s major cities, and hence their military targets, are on their East Coast, right on . A full scale nuke strike would rain fallout all over our own troops in Korea and Japan, which are directly downwind on the Jet Stream, and would poison the Pacific for thousands of years. More immediately, though, the Kuroshio current would carry tons of radionucleide debris all along our Pacific coast, bringing the wonders of radiation sickness to everyone and everything from Anchorage to San Diego.
Collateral damages? Acceptable losses? The Chinese might think so. Do you, Boondock? And in answer to Orion’s question, well, it would likely take every military man and woman the United States has, most of whom are currently scattered throughout the globe, to occupy and hold China. And as Afghanistan, Iraq, and Vietnam have poignantly shown, it still might not be enough.
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
If the U.S went in with the mindset to win from the top then we would obliterate China in a matter of a week or less.[/quote]
Well, nukes, and extrapolating from the numbers for Iraq and Afghanistan, how many men would be needed to hold China?
[/quote]
I think we have the technology to win and the most combat proven military at least in the last 100 years. I’m pretty sure that if we went on a full scale war with China we would at least hopefully finally just leave the middle east.[/quote]
Well, desregarding the nukes, what could you possibly win.
You are just barely 200 years old.
They are the oldest continuous civlization on this planet.
The best you could win is being a temporary nuisance, to be shrugged off at the earliest conveniant opportunity.
There is nothing to win in China.
You could probably blow up some stuff, but then again, nukes. [/quote]
Win by destroying their country and a breeding out their people. I mean what else would we be going after?[/quote]
Yeahhh, that has already been tried a few times.
Alas, to outbreed the Chinese, that takes some mighty loins…
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Again, if the US economy fails and the dollar becomes worthless, who is going to bail us out?
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TBTF?
No.
TBTBO?
Probably. [/quote]
Too BLOATED to bail out.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
If the U.S went in with the mindset to win from the top then we would obliterate China in a matter of a week or less.[/quote]
Well, nukes, and extrapolating from the numbers for Iraq and Afghanistan, how many men would be needed to hold China?
[/quote]
All of China’s major cities, and hence their military targets, are on their East Coast, right on . A full scale nuke strike would rain fallout all over our own troops in Korea and Japan, which are directly downwind on the Jet Stream, and would poison the Pacific for thousands of years. More immediately, though, the Kuroshio current would carry tons of radionucleide debris all along our Pacific coast, bringing the wonders of radiation sickness to everyone and everything from Anchorage to San Diego.
Collateral damages? Acceptable losses? The Chinese might think so. Do you, Boondock? And in answer to Orion’s question, well, it would likely take every military man and woman the United States has, most of whom are currently scattered throughout the globe, to occupy and hold China. And as Afghanistan, Iraq, and Vietnam have poignantly shown, it still might not be enough. [/quote]
Oh, I dont think that you would have to watch for the fallout to reach Americas shores, because if there is one nation I am absolutely sure would retaliate in kind it is China.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
If the U.S went in with the mindset to win from the top then we would obliterate China in a matter of a week or less.[/quote]
Well, nukes, and extrapolating from the numbers for Iraq and Afghanistan, how many men would be needed to hold China?
[/quote]
All of China’s major cities, and hence their military targets, are on their East Coast, right on . A full scale nuke strike would rain fallout all over our own troops in Korea and Japan, which are directly downwind on the Jet Stream, and would poison the Pacific for thousands of years. More immediately, though, the Kuroshio current would carry tons of radionucleide debris all along our Pacific coast, bringing the wonders of radiation sickness to everyone and everything from Anchorage to San Diego.
Collateral damages? Acceptable losses? The Chinese might think so. Do you, Boondock? And in answer to Orion’s question, well, it would likely take every military man and woman the United States has, most of whom are currently scattered throughout the globe, to occupy and hold China. And as Afghanistan, Iraq, and Vietnam have poignantly shown, it still might not be enough. [/quote]
Like I said I think if the U.S went in to win the war they wouldn’t be occupying much after we got done. As for Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan we never went there to destroy their country and completely take over. I’m sure it would take a lot of people and the casualties would be catastrophic but if our government was prepared to do that, and obliterate a nation of people regardless of civilian or military then yes I think we would win.
[quote]orion wrote:
Yeahhh, that has already been tried a few times.
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But, like, Murka is speshul and stuff.
Where others have tried and failed, Murkans will prevail. It’s that unique combination of pluckyness, gumpshun and good-old-fashioned Murkan injunooity that will allow Murka to prevail against insurmountabubble odds, just like in the moovies and teevee.
Plus we got freedum. Never underestimate the power of freedum.
Yeah. Murka can take China. Buncha soybean-eatin’ pussies.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Yeahhh, that has already been tried a few times.
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But, like, Murka is speshul and stuff.
Where others have tried and failed, Murkans will prevail. It’s that unique combination of pluckyness, gumpshun and good-old-fashioned Murkan injunooity that will allow Murka to prevail against insurmountabubble odds, just like in the moovies and teevee.
Plus we got freedum. Never underestimate the power of freedum.
Yeah. Murka can take China. Buncha soybean-eatin’ pussies.
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Also, very big penushes…
Never underestimate a gargantuan wang…
The Chinese are essentially breeding themselves out. The desire for a male child and smaller families is causing issues now. So if China were to go to war, it would probably be for our women. Asians love Western women (at least how they look).
Also, I have no desire to breed with a Chinese woman. Yea there are some good looking ones, but the personality is not something I’d want to deal with, or create offspring with.
Don’t worry though, we’re taller, so clearly we’d win.
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
If the U.S went in with the mindset to win from the top then we would obliterate China in a matter of a week or less.[/quote]
Well, nukes, and extrapolating from the numbers for Iraq and Afghanistan, how many men would be needed to hold China?
[/quote]
All of China’s major cities, and hence their military targets, are on their East Coast, right on . A full scale nuke strike would rain fallout all over our own troops in Korea and Japan, which are directly downwind on the Jet Stream, and would poison the Pacific for thousands of years. More immediately, though, the Kuroshio current would carry tons of radionucleide debris all along our Pacific coast, bringing the wonders of radiation sickness to everyone and everything from Anchorage to San Diego.
Collateral damages? Acceptable losses? The Chinese might think so. Do you, Boondock? And in answer to Orion’s question, well, it would likely take every military man and woman the United States has, most of whom are currently scattered throughout the globe, to occupy and hold China. And as Afghanistan, Iraq, and Vietnam have poignantly shown, it still might not be enough. [/quote]
Like I said I think if the U.S went in to win the war they wouldn’t be occupying much after we got done. As for Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan we never went there to destroy their country and completely take over. I’m sure it would take a lot of people and the casualties would be catastrophic but if our government was prepared to do that, and obliterate a nation of people regardless of civilian or military then yes I think we would win.[/quote]
Mighty big “if”.
The United States is not the same country that helped defeat the Nazis and the Japanese.
The American government does not have the brains, the guts, the balls or the money to take on the Chinese.
And the American people are not prepared physically, morally or psychologically for the inevitable aftermath of a full-scale thermonuclear war.
The survivors in the “victorious” United States would be in the unenviable position of rebuilding a civilization and an economy out of a smoldering heap of radioactive rubble, and would in any case be outbred in a generation by the surviving Chinese, who would be much better-equipped to survive in their own smoldering heap of radioactive rubble.
In other words, fugeddaboudit.
I’m sure the Muslim Brotherhood would be elated to know what the western devil and eastern inferiors have wiped themselves off the grid. Now the Muslim Nation can finally rise to power without playing slight of hand.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Varq, I had suspicions once you mentioned stacking elsewhere for being prepared. Do you still watch the market fluctuations? I’ve been keeping my eye on silver. I should have bought when it dipped to the $18 or so low, but I have other finances to attend to yet. [/quote]
At the risk of hijacking this thread into gold-and-silver bug land, let me just say that there is no “right” price to buy precious metals at. You can drive yourself crazy looking at charts showing the ten-year trends of the gold and silver price against any currency, and telling yourself that if only you had bought when it was at (insert price which is lower than it is now). However, the four things that will alway be true about gold and silver are:
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The price will invariably go up.
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The price will invariably go down.
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The metals will remain long after the currency we use to track the rising and falling prices has become completely worthless.
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People will always want gold and silver, even if they don’t want euros, dollars, yen or renminbi.
Look at the picture above. Recognize it? It’s a one-yen coin, from the fourth year of Meiji, which is 1871. Reach into your pocket and pull out one of those stupid little worthless aluminum coins that they call “one yen” today and see the difference. One yen is now a gram of aluminum. It used to be 1.5 grams of gold. Which means that if you had that gold yen coin, you could exchange it for 6,660 yen today. That’s just by the weight of the coin, not its collector value, which is much higher.
But it gets more interesting than that: see, if you suddenly found yourself back in TOKYO* in Meiji 4, you would find that your newly-minted one-yen coin would buy about as much rice, beer or yakisoba as 6660 yen will get you in Shinjuku today. So what does this say about the “price of gold”? That it’s meaningless. The price of gold was 0.66 yen per gram in 1871, and it’s 4440 right now (at least, when I posted this. Yes, I watch the markets). But the gold hasn’t changed. The yen has simply lost value. A whole shitload of value.
So the only reason to buy gold or silver now, at any price, is not to speculate that the “price might go up and you’ll get rich”. It’s so that your money will still be worth something when the currency takes a shit. As all currencies inevitably do.
There is no law against bringing gold or silver bullion into the United States. Jewelry is a dutiable item, but not bullion bars or coins. It’s no different from cash, just heavier. Keep it in your carry on. You don’t need to declare it unless the value exceeds $10,000, and if so you just fill out a Treasury form. Make sure you have a receipt from Tanaka or Mitsubishi or wherever you bought it so you can prove the origin and value on case the customs agent asks.
Thanks for the sentiment. If I had all the gold and silver I had then, it would, at the height of the market in 2011, have been worth a little over half a million dollars. A half million bucks would be nice to have right about now, but I don’t stress about it too much. I hope she was able to make a bit of a profit.
The Japanese economy will be okay as long as the US economy doesn’t shit the bed too much in the coming years. Or as long as Japan and China don’t go to war over those ridiculous flyspeck islands. Or as long as the radioactive sludge from the Fukishima reactor doesn’t turn any aquatic lizards into giant monsters that destroy Tokyo.
But nobody knows the future. Which is why we buy gold and silver.
- EDIT: evidently I experienced a historical brainfart and needed to be chastised by my worthy colleague. This monkey hereby admits to having momentarilly fallen from the tree, and corrects his error above.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
But it gets more interesting than that: see, if you suddenly found yourself back in Edo in Meiji 4,… [/quote]
Not possible.
Edo became Tokyo in Meiji Gannen.
;-)[/quote]
Kutabare! Erasou na kusogaijin no kuchi wo kikun ja nee!
Fuck. I knew that, too. Hence, “Edo jidai, Meiji jidai”.
Whatever. One point for you.