[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
… I still wouldn’t of interviewed him.
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Someones gears are getting ground here[/quote]
correction … someone’s gears are getting grinded here … sheesh
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
lol @ responses judging CEO by this one side of the story, and him giving OP the best career advice he’s obviously had up until this point as emotional and butthurt.
Apparently people’s time around here isn’t worth respect and decency. [/quote]
I just don’t understand why he took the time to write the email. That’s what confuses me. If he’s a busy CEO and doesn’t have much time, why do that in the first place? Wouldn’t that be below you to do something like that? Write an angry spiteful email? That’s why I say he’s butthurt because that’s a butthurt-ass move in my opinion. Doesn’t excuse the OP.
I asked a few follow-up questions for clarity (that I never saw any answers for) because it is indeed only the OP’s side of the story and it doesn’t make any sense to me for him to react that way. I would think he’d just be disappointed and go about his day before writing an angry email.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
lol @ responses judging CEO by this one side of the story, and him giving OP the best career advice he’s obviously had up until this point as emotional and butthurt.
Apparently people’s time around here isn’t worth respect and decency. [/quote]
This seems to be a strange trend these days. Long story short, a guy interviewing for a staff accountant position (tax prep) where my wife works was late to his interview. They hired him anyway… I couldn’t believe it. I wouldn’t even have interviewed him.
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I can’t tell you how many times a partner, manager senior etc, knows an applicants former boss.
It’s a pretty small world, and in our profession, even smaller. NOt sure what OP does, but if it takes an “odd ball” person to do it… It’s small.
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This kid was straight out of college if I’m not mistaken. Maybe his parents know someone, idk… I still wouldn’t of interviewed him.
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Maybe they thought heavily about it and decided to do it anyway and he blew them away in the interview to the point where they were willing to excuse him being late? Or maybe he apologized and gave them what seemed like a credible excuse/reason for being late that they bought?
[quote]TDub301 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
lol @ responses judging CEO by this one side of the story, and him giving OP the best career advice he’s obviously had up until this point as emotional and butthurt.
Apparently people’s time around here isn’t worth respect and decency. [/quote]
This seems to be a strange trend these days. Long story short, a guy interviewing for a staff accountant position (tax prep) where my wife works was late to his interview. They hired him anyway… I couldn’t believe it. I wouldn’t even have interviewed him.
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I can’t tell you how many times a partner, manager senior etc, knows an applicants former boss.
It’s a pretty small world, and in our profession, even smaller. NOt sure what OP does, but if it takes an “odd ball” person to do it… It’s small.
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This kid was straight out of college if I’m not mistaken. Maybe his parents know someone, idk… I still wouldn’t of interviewed him.
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Maybe they thought heavily about it and decided to do it anyway and he blew them away in the interview to the point where they were willing to excuse him being late? Or maybe he apologized and gave them what seemed like a credible excuse/reason for being late that they bought?[/quote]
Nope. His excuse was that traffic was worse than he thought it’d be and from what I was told he didn’t blow anyone away. They hired him to fill a chair.
Now, he may turn out to be fine, good, or even great at the job, but I wouldn’t have given him that opportunity if it was me.
I am laughing unreasonably hard at how the TC asked for a phone call and then never called to cancel, only to come here, ask a question, and never bother to come back to the topic.
Seems like a trend.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]TDub301 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
lol @ responses judging CEO by this one side of the story, and him giving OP the best career advice he’s obviously had up until this point as emotional and butthurt.
Apparently people’s time around here isn’t worth respect and decency. [/quote]
This seems to be a strange trend these days. Long story short, a guy interviewing for a staff accountant position (tax prep) where my wife works was late to his interview. They hired him anyway… I couldn’t believe it. I wouldn’t even have interviewed him.
[/quote]
I can’t tell you how many times a partner, manager senior etc, knows an applicants former boss.
It’s a pretty small world, and in our profession, even smaller. NOt sure what OP does, but if it takes an “odd ball” person to do it… It’s small.
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This kid was straight out of college if I’m not mistaken. Maybe his parents know someone, idk… I still wouldn’t of interviewed him.
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Maybe they thought heavily about it and decided to do it anyway and he blew them away in the interview to the point where they were willing to excuse him being late? Or maybe he apologized and gave them what seemed like a credible excuse/reason for being late that they bought?[/quote]
Nope. His excuse was that traffic was worse than he thought it’d be and from what I was told he didn’t blow anyone away. They hired him to fill a chair.
Now, he may turn out to be fine, good, or even great at the job, but I wouldn’t have given him that opportunity if it was me. [/quote]
Oh, haha. Well, maybe they didn’t feel like going through the motions again and just wanted to be done with it then?
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I am laughing unreasonably hard at how the TC asked for a phone call and then never called to cancel, only to come here, ask a question, and never bother to come back to the topic.
Seems like a trend.[/quote]
I was thinking the OP is another poster with a new screen name or based on the responses, he’s embarressed.
Or a troll. Always a possibility.
10 minutes is a lot of time for a very busy person to dedicate to an unknown product.
You disrespected his time and proved you were not dependable.
[quote]TDub301 wrote:
I just don’t understand why he took the time to write the email. That’s what confuses me. If he’s a busy CEO and doesn’t have much time, why do that in the first place? Wouldn’t that be below you to do something like that? Write an angry spiteful email? That’s why I say he’s butthurt because that’s a butthurt-ass move in my opinion. Doesn’t excuse the OP.[/quote]
Not really. OP was a prospective hire. Depending on the size and situation of the company, a CEO needs to maintain some relationship with everyone within the company.
As such, the CEO could be impossibly busy, but still make the time to talk to any prospective hire/employee. And I’m pretty sure you’d notice if you never got a call back from someone who promised to call you.
[quote]Donut Man wrote:
On one hand, I do see that it was unprofessional and immature of me to request a phone call, set one up, and then blow it off, and I definitely should have at least given him a call or email to cancel.[/quote]
Gee, you really think so? I’m so used to milenials blowing off job interviews that it’s not really a shock to me anymore. Without a doubt the most ignorant generation that I’ve ever dealt with and I’ve been in business many years.
Honestly what the hell is wrong with your age group? Do you just get distracted by all of the colorful shiny objects in the world, or is it just simply that you’ve been raised incorrectly?
Most of you make me sick.
That actually felt good because in real life I have to hold it in.
Anyway, good luck to you.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I am laughing unreasonably hard at how the TC asked for a phone call and then never called to cancel, only to come here, ask a question, and never bother to come back to the topic.
Seems like a trend.[/quote]
LOL
On a serious note, behavior like this is always repetitive. This is why employers take this shit so seriously.
You obviously were the unprofessional one here, as much as the CEO’s response was perhaps a little ott.
[quote]TDub301 wrote:
I just don’t understand why he took the time to write the email. That’s what confuses me. If he’s a busy CEO and doesn’t have much time, why do that in the first place?[/quote]
To give OP a life lesson that he certainly needs?
Teach people below you? No. Not at all.
Your perspective of the tone or reason for that email is coloring your understanding here. You are looking at it in a way that only draws one possible conclusion.
This is that perspective you have. Because of this, you’ll never get past the notion that the email wasn’t actually the most appropriate thing OP could be hearing right now. Dude obviously is a total fucking flake.
[quote]Donut Man wrote:
Now I’m wondering what to make of it. On one hand, I do see that it was unprofessional and immature of me to request a phone call, set one up, and then blow it off, and I definitely should have at least given him a call or email to cancel. It also wouldn’t have hurt to call him and admit that I was leaning against it, but ask my questions anyway. On other hand, I’m wondering if I didn’t doge a bullet, because those were some pretty heavy shots to fire over a 10 minute phone call with no firm appointment time that wasn’t even an interview. My question is…how badly did I really mess up here, and was his response justified? Would someone like him be a nightmare to work for? Is his response merely stern, or is it an obnoxious overreaction?[/quote]
I wouldn’t expect a shot at getting hired by that company, nor any subsidiaries or affiliates, at any point in the near future. With that having been said, I’m sure that’s as far as it goes. Learn a lesson from this. His response was commensurate with your rudeness. Since you’ve never worked there, it’s not like his opinion is likely to ever be heard again by another employer wherever else you are seeking employment, just take heed of the importance employers generally place on punctuality and commitment.
I don’t see anything unprofessional about his response. He didn’t go ad hominem, he didn’t use profanity, and he didn’t even insult your person. He simply gave you a blunt indication of whatever small impression you happen to have made.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Donut Man wrote:
On one hand, I do see that it was unprofessional and immature of me to request a phone call, set one up, and then blow it off, and I definitely should have at least given him a call or email to cancel.[/quote]
Gee, you really think so? I’m so used to milenials blowing off job interviews that it’s not really a shock to me anymore. Without a doubt the most ignorant generation that I’ve ever dealt with and I’ve been in business many years.
Honestly what the hell is wrong with your age group? Do you just get distracted by all of the colorful shiny objects in the world, or is it just simply that you’ve been raised incorrectly?
Most of you make me sick.
That actually felt good because in real life I have to hold it in.
Anyway, good luck to you.
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Where did OP state what their age was, or what generation they were from?
[quote]Mcincinatti wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Donut Man wrote:
On one hand, I do see that it was unprofessional and immature of me to request a phone call, set one up, and then blow it off, and I definitely should have at least given him a call or email to cancel.[/quote]
Gee, you really think so? I’m so used to milenials blowing off job interviews that it’s not really a shock to me anymore. Without a doubt the most ignorant generation that I’ve ever dealt with and I’ve been in business many years.
Honestly what the hell is wrong with your age group? Do you just get distracted by all of the colorful shiny objects in the world, or is it just simply that you’ve been raised incorrectly?
Most of you make me sick.
That actually felt good because in real life I have to hold it in.
Anyway, good luck to you.
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Where did OP state what their age was, or what generation they were from?[/quote]
It’s pretty obvious where OP’s head is at. (Firmly up his ass.) And statistically speaking people of a certain generation tend to have their head firmly in the same place at a much higher rate than other generations.
OP seemingly taking offense to the email only adds the icing to the assumption cake.
So while, yes, it is totally possible OP is 40 years old, the smart money is on 24-27.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Donut Man wrote:
On one hand, I do see that it was unprofessional and immature of me to request a phone call, set one up, and then blow it off, and I definitely should have at least given him a call or email to cancel.[/quote]
Gee, you really think so? I’m so used to milenials blowing off job interviews that it’s not really a shock to me anymore. Without a doubt the most ignorant generation that I’ve ever dealt with and I’ve been in business many years.
Honestly what the hell is wrong with your age group? Do you just get distracted by all of the colorful shiny objects in the world, or is it just simply that you’ve been raised incorrectly?
Most of you make me sick.
That actually felt good because in real life I have to hold it in.
Anyway, good luck to you.
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Gold man just Gold and I agree.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Donut Man wrote:
On one hand, I do see that it was unprofessional and immature of me to request a phone call, set one up, and then blow it off, and I definitely should have at least given him a call or email to cancel.[/quote]
Gee, you really think so? I’m so used to milenials blowing off job interviews that it’s not really a shock to me anymore. Without a doubt the most ignorant generation that I’ve ever dealt with and I’ve been in business many years.
Honestly what the hell is wrong with your age group? Do you just get distracted by all of the colorful shiny objects in the world, or is it just simply that you’ve been raised incorrectly?
Most of you make me sick.
That actually felt good because in real life I have to hold it in.
Anyway, good luck to you.
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Gold man just Gold and I agree. [/quote]
Especially the part about “who raised you”, since we’re talking about generations and all… perhaps the older generation needs to get off their high-horses and realize they have issues just like everyone else.
Lack of self-accountability can show in many ways, maybe everyone is really exhibiting the same behavior, it just seems different because it’s looked at from a different angle.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]TDub301 wrote:
I just don’t understand why he took the time to write the email. That’s what confuses me. If he’s a busy CEO and doesn’t have much time, why do that in the first place?[/quote]
To give OP a life lesson that he certainly needs?
Teach people below you? No. Not at all.
Your perspective of the tone or reason for that email is coloring your understanding here. You are looking at it in a way that only draws one possible conclusion.
This is that perspective you have. Because of this, you’ll never get past the notion that the email wasn’t actually the most appropriate thing OP could be hearing right now. Dude obviously is a total fucking flake. [/quote]
I went back and reread the email, it doesn’t seem like it was definitely angry or spiteful (although it still could have been, just worded politically, since we don’t know that guy from Adam, it’s an assumption to say he definitely wasn’t). That’s what I get for going off of memory when posting.
I still don’t understand why he’d write him back at all. I don’t see him wanting to have a teaching moment with the OP. It’s more likely he was mad that he never called and wanted to get the last word due to the ego hit he took and/or harder day from moving around his schedule (which is very possible, but still only an assumption).
And again, I’m not defending the OP. I asked follow-up questions that he never answered. I’m sure he was just trying to give a selective story to make himself feel better about what happened.
[quote]TDub301 wrote:
I still don’t understand why he’d write him back at all. I don’t see him wanting to have a teaching moment with the OP. It’s more likely he was mad that he never called and wanted to get the last word due to the ego hit he took and/or harder day from moving around his schedule (which is very possible, but still only an assumption).
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That’s why I don’t think it’s spiteful. If it was spiteful, I don’t see CEO taking the time.
Look when I go to career fairs and kids walk up to me and blow the first impression, 70% of the time or so, instead of blowing smoke up their ass I tell them there is zero chance they are going in the yes pile and why. Some kids take this very hard, I’ve seen chicks get tears in their eyes. A very solid number listen to what I have to say, and hopefully for themselves, make adjustments.
I do this not because it helps me, or I’m personally invested in these kids, but because it takes me 3mins and is a good thing to do for people. I’m direct, to the point, and I don’t coddle. Similar to how I post here. I’m not a back rubber or ball washer (unless you’re signing my paycheck, and even then I don’t grovel, but will wash a ball here and there.)
That’s where I see this CEO’s head at. If everyone improves just a tick each day, the entire world gets better. If OP stops being an disrespectful, entitled brat, not only does he improve, but his performance does, his company, the consumer’s experience and so on and so forth. It’s similar to the concept of velocity of money in economics. Except it’s velocity of not being a shit head.
This CEO might have saved anywhere from 2 to 20 (over the course of a career) people from having to deal with this nonsense. And he might have saved OP from shooting himself in the foot anymore during his career.