[quote]EurekaBulldogLaw wrote:
[quote]iflyboats wrote:
Drake is impressing me lately. I didn’t like him at first but he’s getting clever now. My favorite MC at the moment.[/quote]
How’re you going to say the Em album was shit and then say Drake is hot?
SMH[/quote]
Because I hold Em to the standard set by his earlier work, which his new stuff is nowhere close to, so when I hear it all that registers is how inferior it is.
Plus, a drug addiction is not something to rap about, or even admit to.
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
BTW if you like Lupe Fiasco, check out J. Cole. I’ve recommended him to two Lupe fans I know and now they’re bigger fans of him that I am.
The Warm Up is the name of one of is mixtapes. He’s on Jay-Z’s record label right now, working on his debut album. [/quote]
J Cole is whats up. Also check out the Cool Kids. Def have roots in UGK’s style. Willie the Kid is good if you like J Cole style.
The Grouch and Eli are doing some great things and def not weak lyrically.
[quote]WombRaider wrote:
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
BTW if you like Lupe Fiasco, check out J. Cole. I’ve recommended him to two Lupe fans I know and now they’re bigger fans of him that I am.
The Warm Up is the name of one of is mixtapes. He’s on Jay-Z’s record label right now, working on his debut album. [/quote]
J Cole is whats up. Also check out the Cool Kids. Def have roots in UGK’s style. Willie the Kid is good if you like J Cole style.
The Grouch and Eli are doing some great things and def not weak lyrically.[/quote]
Good to see another fan :).
Regarding the Cool Kids, I have the Bake Sale and liked it, but I was disappointed with the mixtape they did with Don Cannon, Gone Fishing. If you like the Cool Kids, check out Pac Div–I think theyre similar but at this point I think Pac Div are better (although theyre most recent mixtape was eehhh).
I`ll look for The Grouch and Eli, thanks for the recommendation.
Cleveland is a different kinda city with different personality than what is the norm. Cudi pretty much brings that out! In Ohio, we are “out there”…look at the other musicians from around here…Manson and Bone Thugs are examples. It is hard to define Ohio in music genre terms…so don’t call cudi a rapper because he “talks on a beat”…he just as easily sings and could do “soul” like John Legend if he chose to…or however you classify Kenna.
Cudi is in that “mood setting” crowd and not the dope rgyme one. That’s the whole appeal of CLE demeanor.
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
It is hard to define Ohio in music genre terms…so don’t call cudi a rapper because he “talks on a beat”…[/quote]
I’ll leave the Ohio thing alone since I wouldn’t know, but Cudi’s songwriting is bad no matter what genre it is. It’s just bad pop songwriting plain and simple. He picks good beats has a good voice for singing hooks and coasting over a beat, though.
[quote]belligerent wrote:
Plus, a drug addiction is not something to rap about, or even admit to.[/quote]
lol no one should admit drug addiction? dumbest thing i’ve ever heard.
sorry to derail here, everyone, but damn.
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
How guys who bash Kanye West and Lil Wayne as commercial crap can come out and call Kid Cudi a talented artist and someone who might help save hip hop is beyond me… aside from a good ear for beats and being able to sing a hook there’s not much to Cudi- flow, lyrics, concept, songwriting, he’s got nothing those two don’t do better. Hipster-rap is all it is. If he were platinum selling the same people would probably say he was crap.
Regarding B.o.B… he’s not a great rapper but he’s definitely not a bad rapper. When he hits, he can make really great “hip-pop” songs that are accessible without sounding contrived. When he misses, well, there’s that song on the album with Rivers Cuomo [from Weezer]. “Who the Fuck is B.o.B.?” is the name of one of his mixtapes too, I think. [/quote]
Larry, I agree that Cudi’s not a great [or maybe even good] lyricist, but neither were the Beastie Boys and they’re pretty well regarded. Cudi has killer beats, good delivery and seems to have fun with what he’s doing. He’s not like the two douches you listed who both call themselves “the best rapper alive” while spitting nursery rhymes or spaceman nonsense that doesn’t make any fucking sense. I’ve listened to a fair amount of Cudi’s stuff and he’s got a mellow vibe that puts me on recline, whereas the other two clowns generally irritate the fuck out of me. Cudi’s probably not on Lupe Fiasco’s level, but he definitely brings something to the table.[/quote]
Honestly bro, this post doesn’t make much sense at all.
The Beastie Boys got their start in the mid-80s, and weren’t slouches lyrically compared to their contemporaries. And Ad-Rock is a beast on the mike, even now, lol.
"I come from Cleveland
Ya’ll can really hear it now.
Hit 'em like comic books,
Kaboom powpow"
And if you like his off-delivery that can sound half-sung at times, you should really check out the guy who made that kind of rapping commercially viable again. His name’s Lil Wayne.
As far as him having his own kind of sound goes, yeah, he’s definitely got that. I have A Kid Named Cudi, Dat Kid from Cleveland, and Man on the Moon, and even though the concept and lyrics fail so hard, they can be great listens. Conceptually though, Lil Wayne and Devin the Dude do his thing way better than he does, in different ways respectively. [/quote]
What do you mean Lil Wayne doesn’t do the space man nonsense thing? Doesn’t he have a song called “I am a Martian”? More than half the shit he says is fucking nonsense, plain and simple. And no, I would not say the Beastie Boys were lyrically on par with their contempraries [Rakim, CL Smooth, KRS 1, Chuck Detc…]. And yes, I understand rap in that era wasn’t really lyrically driven [I was actually alive then…]. Cudi is mood music as someone else said. I agree with that. Wayne is just terrible music that makes no sense and he constantly contradicts himself, even when he’s just rambling gibberish nonsense. I guess it is a kind of gift to contradict yourself when you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, but it’s not a gift I can appreciate.
EDIT: Come on man, I’m from Houston. I’ve been jamming Devin the Dude since the late 90’s. Was onstage at a show he did at a really small venue about a year ago.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
What do you mean Lil Wayne doesn’t do the space man nonsense thing? Doesn’t he have a song called “I am a Martian”? [/quote]
To my knowledge he doesn’t have a song called ‘I’m a Martian’. It’s a catch phrase of his, and there was a song on Tha Carter 3 called Phone Home where he toyed with that, but this is a guy who has a thousand catch phrases, and releases about 100 songs [many unofficial, and unfinished] a year-- you’re isolating that one phrase and one song. Lil Wayne is NOT known for rapping about space-related themes. And I typed in "I’m a Martian into youtube and look what came up on the first page:
They weren’t slouches compared to their contemporaries. I’m not familiar with anything CL Smooth did prior to his albums with Pete Rock, but I think he was a 90s act. As for that last part, according to your profile you were five or six years old when the first Beastie Boys album came out. Stop it.
The keys to getting Wayne [from the past few years] lyrically are as follows: 1) He’s not rapping about being gangsta, he’s rapping about being a gangsta rapper. Gangsta cliches are just the backdrop for his wordplay and quips about his actual lifestyle. He raps more about groupies, drugs, and being paid than actual gangsta stuff. The cliches aren’t contradictions, they’re a necessary part of the portrait. Of course he knows he’s not a real thug, and he knows his fans know this too. 2)His wordplay, and figurative language has increasingly served the purpose of matching his flow in a particular song. The wackier his flow is, the wackier his lines are. —> So in a more subtle way, Lil Wayne does mood music, as well.
Of course, I’m not saying this is what everyone sees in him. The vast majority of his fans probably just like his flow, and the weird retarded-funny punchlines, simple as that. But if you really want to get into it, there is actually a lot to Lil Wayne, lyrically too. It’s not just nonsense, there’s definitely a method to the madness.
Cudi doesn’t have any that. He has this half-cooked lonely stoner thing with a lot of space imagery thrown in. His lyrics are worse than Lil Wayne’s worst songs. Just try to find a Wayne song that has worse lyrics than the Cudi songs posted in this very thread.
I didn’t mean that last part as a jab, if that’s how you took it. All I’m saying is he and Lil Wayne do the same lyrical subject matter better, in different ways respectively. That song you linked is a perfect example.
It’s just weird that you can call Lil Wayne and Kanye West crap, but then call Kid Cudi a guy who is a sign of good things to come, when he borrows so much musically and lyrically from both and does it wrong anyway. Kanye West executive produced his album, did two of the beats, and they both work with Plain Pat.
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
It is hard to define Ohio in music genre terms…so don’t call cudi a rapper because he “talks on a beat”…[/quote]
I’ll leave the Ohio thing alone since I wouldn’t know, but Cudi’s songwriting is bad no matter what genre it is. It’s just bad pop songwriting plain and simple. He picks good beats has a good voice for singing hooks and coasting over a beat, though. [/quote]
How much Cudi do you know? lol
Day n Night…Cle is the reason?
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
It is hard to define Ohio in music genre terms…so don’t call cudi a rapper because he “talks on a beat”…[/quote]
I’ll leave the Ohio thing alone since I wouldn’t know, but Cudi’s songwriting is bad no matter what genre it is. It’s just bad pop songwriting plain and simple. He picks good beats has a good voice for singing hooks and coasting over a beat, though. [/quote]
How much Cudi do you know? lol
Day n Night…Cle is the reason? [/quote]
Like I said, I have A Kid Named Cudi, Dat Kid From Cleveland, and his debut album.
How many vampires do you know? You assface :P.
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
It is hard to define Ohio in music genre terms…so don’t call cudi a rapper because he “talks on a beat”…[/quote]
I’ll leave the Ohio thing alone since I wouldn’t know, but Cudi’s songwriting is bad no matter what genre it is. It’s just bad pop songwriting plain and simple. He picks good beats has a good voice for singing hooks and coasting over a beat, though. [/quote]
How much Cudi do you know? lol
Day n Night…Cle is the reason? [/quote]
Like I said, I have A Kid Named Cudi, Dat Kid From Cleveland, and his debut album.
How many vampires do you know? You assface :P.[/quote]
lol, you’d be surpised.
the first few seconds of the second verse of “Ask About Me”…check it out =) I get my shout out in that song!
Hahahaha, it’s the crazy african dude from Next Friday! I can’t get jiggy with this shit! Fuckin gold!
Okay, that out of the way.
I’m feeling this BOB guy, but moreso his soundscapes and song arrangements than his rapping and lyrical ability, which is merely okay in my ears.
Drake, Wayne, Cudi… Meh. Very meh. I hate the fact that Wayne fans always feel the need to point out the amount of music her puts out there. He was trash in '99 and a million songs later, he’s still trash in '10.
Lupe is probably the guy mentioned in this thread I’m feeling the most. The Cool has been finding its way to my playlist very very consistently for a couple years now. Never heard of J. Cole before now, but I’m liking what I’ve heard while typing this. Very mellow stuff.
Anybody listen to Tonedeff here?
And what the hell happened to Akir? His album was dumb nice.
Haha hey X you need to check out Big Boi, hes got a debut album out, some weird ass long title 0.o You may know him as the other main component of Outkast.
Heres a song that I was absolutely hooked on. Good song to smoke some MJ to.
Also check out the song Shutter bug.
I actually first heard of the dude from one of these hip hop threads in GAL a couple of months ago.
Personally I don’t think too much of B.O.B or Cudi. They’re not artists that i follow particularly, not to say they haven’t got some catchy songs that are getting a lot of radio airplay.
I’m waiting for Ems new LP and Detox by Dre. No idea what to expect, maybe someone can drop some details…?
i have one song from him. it makes great warm-ups, jus’ sayin.
J. cole is a great lyricist. dreams is one of my favorite songs of all time. Wale is another favorite of mine as well
royce da 5’9 also
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
What do you mean Lil Wayne doesn’t do the space man nonsense thing? Doesn’t he have a song called “I am a Martian”? [/quote]
To my knowledge he doesn’t have a song called ‘I’m a Martian’. It’s a catch phrase of his, and there was a song on Tha Carter 3 called Phone Home where he toyed with that, but this is a guy who has a thousand catch phrases, and releases about 100 songs [many unofficial, and unfinished] a year-- you’re isolating that one phrase and one song. Lil Wayne is NOT known for rapping about space-related themes. And I typed in "I’m a Martian into youtube and look what came up on the first page:
They weren’t slouches compared to their contemporaries. I’m not familiar with anything CL Smooth did prior to his albums with Pete Rock, but I think he was a 90s act. As for that last part, according to your profile you were five or six years old when the first Beastie Boys album came out. Stop it.
The keys to getting Wayne [from the past few years] lyrically are as follows: 1) He’s not rapping about being gangsta, he’s rapping about being a gangsta rapper. Gangsta cliches are just the backdrop for his wordplay and quips about his actual lifestyle. He raps more about groupies, drugs, and being paid than actual gangsta stuff. The cliches aren’t contradictions, they’re a necessary part of the portrait. Of course he knows he’s not a real thug, and he knows his fans know this too. 2)His wordplay, and figurative language has increasingly served the purpose of matching his flow in a particular song. The wackier his flow is, the wackier his lines are. —> So in a more subtle way, Lil Wayne does mood music, as well.
Of course, I’m not saying this is what everyone sees in him. The vast majority of his fans probably just like his flow, and the weird retarded-funny punchlines, simple as that. But if you really want to get into it, there is actually a lot to Lil Wayne, lyrically too. It’s not just nonsense, there’s definitely a method to the madness.
Cudi doesn’t have any that. He has this half-cooked lonely stoner thing with a lot of space imagery thrown in. His lyrics are worse than Lil Wayne’s worst songs. Just try to find a Wayne song that has worse lyrics than the Cudi songs posted in this very thread.
I didn’t mean that last part as a jab, if that’s how you took it. All I’m saying is he and Lil Wayne do the same lyrical subject matter better, in different ways respectively. That song you linked is a perfect example.
It’s just weird that you can call Lil Wayne and Kanye West crap, but then call Kid Cudi a guy who is a sign of good things to come, when he borrows so much musically and lyrically from both and does it wrong anyway. Kanye West executive produced his album, did two of the beats, and they both work with Plain Pat. [/quote]
I was gonna write a long ass response but you lost me with comparing Lil Wayne and Devin the Dude. Aside from being black and rapping there aren’t a whole lot of similarities.
EDIT: License to ill came out when I was in kindergarten.
[quote]relentless2120 wrote:
royce da 5’9 also[/quote]
Royce has been around for awhile.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
What do you mean Lil Wayne doesn’t do the space man nonsense thing? Doesn’t he have a song called “I am a Martian”? [/quote]
To my knowledge he doesn’t have a song called ‘I’m a Martian’. It’s a catch phrase of his, and there was a song on Tha Carter 3 called Phone Home where he toyed with that, but this is a guy who has a thousand catch phrases, and releases about 100 songs [many unofficial, and unfinished] a year-- you’re isolating that one phrase and one song. Lil Wayne is NOT known for rapping about space-related themes. And I typed in "I’m a Martian into youtube and look what came up on the first page:
They weren’t slouches compared to their contemporaries. I’m not familiar with anything CL Smooth did prior to his albums with Pete Rock, but I think he was a 90s act. As for that last part, according to your profile you were five or six years old when the first Beastie Boys album came out. Stop it.
The keys to getting Wayne [from the past few years] lyrically are as follows: 1) He’s not rapping about being gangsta, he’s rapping about being a gangsta rapper. Gangsta cliches are just the backdrop for his wordplay and quips about his actual lifestyle. He raps more about groupies, drugs, and being paid than actual gangsta stuff. The cliches aren’t contradictions, they’re a necessary part of the portrait. Of course he knows he’s not a real thug, and he knows his fans know this too. 2)His wordplay, and figurative language has increasingly served the purpose of matching his flow in a particular song. The wackier his flow is, the wackier his lines are. —> So in a more subtle way, Lil Wayne does mood music, as well.
Of course, I’m not saying this is what everyone sees in him. The vast majority of his fans probably just like his flow, and the weird retarded-funny punchlines, simple as that. But if you really want to get into it, there is actually a lot to Lil Wayne, lyrically too. It’s not just nonsense, there’s definitely a method to the madness.
Cudi doesn’t have any that. He has this half-cooked lonely stoner thing with a lot of space imagery thrown in. His lyrics are worse than Lil Wayne’s worst songs. Just try to find a Wayne song that has worse lyrics than the Cudi songs posted in this very thread.
I didn’t mean that last part as a jab, if that’s how you took it. All I’m saying is he and Lil Wayne do the same lyrical subject matter better, in different ways respectively. That song you linked is a perfect example.
It’s just weird that you can call Lil Wayne and Kanye West crap, but then call Kid Cudi a guy who is a sign of good things to come, when he borrows so much musically and lyrically from both and does it wrong anyway. Kanye West executive produced his album, did two of the beats, and they both work with Plain Pat. [/quote]
I was gonna write a long ass response but you lost me with comparing Lil Wayne and Devin the Dude. Aside from being black and rapping there aren’t a whole lot of similarities.
EDIT: License to ill came out when I was in kindergarten.[/quote]
lil wayne isnt black anymore…we don’t want that ngg!!! Larrydavid and his friends can have him.
“i’m raw!” lolz!!!