Who is THE Nutrition Guru?

Nutrition
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[quote]wufwugy wrote:
Kuz wrote:
wufwugy wrote:
TriGWU wrote:
The Ultimate Diet.

already exists

And it is…?

dont know exactly. Bronx Bomber may know. IIRC, Lyle McDonald’s Ultimate Diet 2.0 is sorta based on the Ultimate Diet.

again, IIRC, Ultimate Diet is out of print. even if im wrong about there being an orginal Ultimate Diet (i dont really care) that doesn’t negate the fact that there is an Ultimate Diet 2.0.[/quote]

"The story of this book begins just over twenty years ago in 1982. That year, Dan
Duchaine and Michael Zumpano introduced the Ultimate Diet to the world of bodybuilding.

In a nutshell, the Ultimate Diet was a 10 day cyclical diet and training plan, incorporating three different training and eating approaches in a coordinated fashion."

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[quote]Dan Fouts wrote:
some kid i overheard in the gym tonight:

“just eat mcdonald’s every day and lift heavy and you’ll blow up”

I think I am going to blow up now.

Dan[/quote]

Good advise. I swear by that diet for muscle strength gains.

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[quote]Dan Fouts wrote:
some kid i overheard in the gym tonight:

“just eat mcdonald’s every day and lift heavy and you’ll blow up”

I think I am going to blow up now.

fahd wrote:
Good advise. I swear by that diet for muscle strength gains.[/quote]

no, it’s sh!tty advice. calories are good, but mcdonald’s is just plain bad. i have no problem with a guy eating hamburgers and potatoes and REAL food. i urge it. but come on … mcdonald’s?

Dan

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[quote]Dan Fouts wrote:
Dan Fouts wrote:
some kid i overheard in the gym tonight:

“just eat mcdonald’s every day and lift heavy and you’ll blow up”

I think I am going to blow up now.

fahd wrote:
Good advise. I swear by that diet for muscle strength gains.

no, it’s sh!tty advice. calories are good, but mcdonald’s is just plain bad. i have no problem with a guy eating hamburgers and potatoes and REAL food. i urge it. but come on … mcdonald’s?

Dan[/quote]

are you saying that mcdonald’s isn’t real food? if so, can you explain how mcdonald’s isn’t real food?

or are you saying that when cals are regulated and protein, EFAs, fiber, and micronutrients are adequate that certain types of foods elicit different body composition developements than other foods?

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ProfX.

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[quote]wufwugy wrote:
are you saying that mcdonald’s isn’t real food? if so, can you explain how mcdonald’s isn’t real food?[/quote]

mcdonald’s is real food in the same way that budweiser is real beer. both are bottom most in quality … they are shite.

but this is PRIMARILY what i am saying. the nutritional profile and resultant health of a mcdonalds diet are less than ideal.

would you do it? i sure as hell would NOT.

Dan

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[quote]Dan Fouts wrote:
wufwugy wrote:
are you saying that mcdonald’s isn’t real food? if so, can you explain how mcdonald’s isn’t real food?

mcdonald’s is real food in the same way that budweiser is real beer. both are bottom most in quality … they are shite.

or are you saying that when cals are regulated and protein, EFAs, fiber, and micronutrients are adequate that certain types of foods elicit different body composition developements than other foods?

but this is PRIMARILY what i am saying. the nutritional profile and resultant health of a mcdonalds diet are less than ideal.

would you do it? i sure as hell would NOT.

Dan[/quote]

No shit sherlock. I agree with you but your original post “I think I am going to blow up now.” sounded as if you believe the teenager’s statement was false, when, in fact, it is not.

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[quote]fahd wrote:
Dan Fouts wrote:
wufwugy wrote:
are you saying that mcdonald’s isn’t real food? if so, can you explain how mcdonald’s isn’t real food?

mcdonald’s is real food in the same way that budweiser is real beer. both are bottom most in quality … they are shite.

or are you saying that when cals are regulated and protein, EFAs, fiber, and micronutrients are adequate that certain types of foods elicit different body composition developements than other foods?

but this is PRIMARILY what i am saying. the nutritional profile and resultant health of a mcdonalds diet are less than ideal.

would you do it? i sure as hell would NOT.

Dan

No shit sherlock. I agree with you but your original post “I think I am going to blow up now.” sounded as if you believe the teenager’s statement was false, when, in fact, it is not. [/quote]

The guy’s statement wasn’t false, it was stupid. I take it that “blowing up” is meant to signify building a muscular physique as opposed to simply getting fat. In that case, it isn’t about cramming yourself with random low quality food in order to gain weight as quickly as possible.

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mcdonald’s is real food in the same way that budweiser is real beer. both are bottom most in quality … they are shite.

but bud light will get you drunk just as easily as any other beer. and, yes, i agree that mcdonalds doesn’t compare in taste to better prepared stuff, but to say that it isn’t real (implying that it’s nutritional value is bad) is being ignorant.

but this is PRIMARILY what i am saying. the nutritional profile and resultant health of a mcdonalds diet are less than ideal.

by how much? protein? no, they got meat. fiber? no, they got veggies. micronutrition? no, they got meat n veggies. EFAs? yes, that’s a big place they’re lacking, although generally, proper EFAs must be supplemented.

would you do it? i sure as hell would NOT.

i wouldn’t, but i dont like mcdonalds that much. many highly successful athletes have espoused the fast food diet.

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[quote]michael2507 wrote:

The guy’s statement wasn’t false, it was stupid. I take it that “blowing up” is meant to signify building a muscular physique as opposed to simply getting fat. In that case, it isn’t about cramming yourself with random low quality food in order to gain weight as quickly as possible.[/quote]

that’s not what the guy said.

what makes one fat? calorie surplus or certain types of food?

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You’re coming off like McDDonalds is good food. Give us a break please. You ever just peel off one of thier beef patties and take a bite? High quality stuff there. It’s beef alright, but they just don’t tell you what part of the cow it is.
Yes, you can get big eating Mcd. but it’s not healthy at all. I hope you don’t think a big mac is only a few EFA’s away from being at the top of the food pyramid. Sounds like you’re just lookin’ for an argument.

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[quote]wufwugy wrote:
michael2507 wrote:

The guy’s statement wasn’t false, it was stupid. I take it that “blowing up” is meant to signify building a muscular physique as opposed to simply getting fat. In that case, it isn’t about cramming yourself with random low quality food in order to gain weight as quickly as possible.

that’s not what the guy said.

what makes one fat? calorie surplus or certain types of food?[/quote]

The guy said this:
[center]
“just eat mcdonald’s every day and lift heavy and you’ll blow up” [/center]

Irrespective of the complexity of nutrition in general, the issue here is simple. If there is no caloric surplus, there is no way the guy will experience significant gains in muscle mass and “blow up”, regardless of the specific food he eats.

Conversely, if he consumes a caloric surplus that way, he definitely would see a less favourable change in body composition than when following a decent nutritional plan (as opposed to just eating McDonalds every day), raising the question if he would “blow up” in the desired manner.

I am aware that we could further complicate the issue by assuming the guy could concentrate on salads, ditch the buns from his hamburgers and only consume diet sodas, but I see no point in this. The point remains, the statement was off base in every conceivable context.

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[quote]TriGWU wrote:
The Ultimate Diet.

wufwugy wrote:
already exists[/quote]

How about The Ultimate T-Diet?

And they should Java script it, so all you need to do is type in your T-Nation alias and it will produce a pdf file with all your meals planned out for the following 6 months.

Now [b]that[/b] would be awsome.

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[quote]wufwugy wrote:
what makes one fat? calorie surplus or certain types of food?[/quote]

BOTH! and … it depends … have you paid no attention to all of the recent hoopla? read JB or LL?

i, albeit just a sample of one guy, can consume a poor quality diet, wreck my metabolism and general well being, and get fat … OR … i can consume a higher calorie high quality diet and maintain or improve leanness while gaining strength and/or size.

i’m worried about you man. this thread is on nutrition and not on who can eat crappy food and get big in the process with total disregard for nutrition and health.

i have yielded to you on the simple fact that eating a lot of calories can aid one in “blowing up”, yet it remains a poor choice.

i’m done with this,
Dan

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[quote]kurmatt wrote:

You’re coming off like McDDonalds is good food. Give us a break please. You ever just peel off one of thier beef patties and take a bite? High quality stuff there. It’s beef alright, but they just don’t tell you what part of the cow it is.
Yes, you can get big eating Mcd. but it’s not healthy at all. I hope you don’t think a big mac is only a few EFA’s away from being at the top of the food pyramid. Sounds like you’re just lookin’ for an argument.
[/quote]
thanks for confusing taste with nutrition.

mcdonalds is very deficient in EFAs.

im always looking for an argument. difference between me and everybody else is that i enjoy them and never take them personally. besides, am i not allowed to retort something that i think is inaccurate?

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Weston Price, HELL YEAH!

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[quote]michael2507 wrote:

The guy said this:
[center]
“just eat mcdonald’s every day and lift heavy and you’ll blow up” [/center]

Irrespective of the complexity of nutrition in general, the issue here is simple. If there is no caloric surplus, there is no way the guy will experience significant gains in muscle mass and “blow up”, regardless of the specific food he eats.

Conversely, if he consumes a caloric surplus that way, he definitely would see a less favourable change in body composition than when following a decent nutritional plan (as opposed to just eating McDonalds every day), raising the question if he would “blow up” in the desired manner.

I am aware that we could further complicate the issue by assuming the guy could concentrate on salads, ditch the buns from his hamburgers and only consume diet sodas, but I see no point in this. The point remains, the statement was off base in every conceivable context.[/quote]

the fact that calories are calories negates this.

also, eating at a calorie surplus without much carbs is very hard to sustain and impossible for most.

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[quote]Dan Fouts wrote:

BOTH! and … it depends … have you paid no attention to all of the recent hoopla? read JB or LL?

i, albeit just a sample of one guy, can consume a poor quality diet, wreck my metabolism and general well being, and get fat … OR … i can consume a higher calorie high quality diet and maintain or improve leanness while gaining strength and/or size.

i’m worried about you man. this thread is on nutrition and not on who can eat crappy food and get big in the process with total disregard for nutrition and health.

i have yielded to you on the simple fact that eating a lot of calories can aid one in “blowing up”, yet it remains a poor choice.

i’m done with this,
Dan[/quote]

the recent hoopla is speculation, and has been shown to be inaccurate a bit on other boards and a little on this board. yet somehow people still believe them.

dont get me wrong, though. the ‘recent hoopla’ stuff is only a fraction of what the authors involve themselves with and even they are aware of the lack of evidence.

i will not comment on your personal experience because everybody’s got those and they’re more often than not believed to be effected by reasons other than what really happened.

can you explain how mcdonalds is nutritionally deficient? yiou know, by evaluating the macro/micro profile and comparing that to other ‘better’ foods then comparing that to what is understood as an optimal human macro/micro consumption. dont worry about EFAs, we all know they got next to none of that.

of course, since you done with this then dont bother.

BTW, the mcdonalds diet is one of the last i would recommend, but that doesn’t negate the facts that it’s not as bad as many like to think and many successful athletes thrive on ‘junk’ food. if it truly was junk food then they wouldn’t thrive.

P.S. dont worry about me. my athletic and physique goals surpass yours and just about anybody’s on this site. i consider them realistic goals and i know what the fuck to do to get there.

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[quote]wufwugy wrote:
alive? easily accessable via internet? that would be…

Lyle McDonald[/quote]

What he said.

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[quote]wufwugy wrote:

the fact that calories are calories negates this.[/quote]

In what regard do you consider a calorie = a calorie?

[quote]
also, eating at a calorie surplus without much carbs is very hard to sustain and impossible for most.[/quote]

Where did I mention cutting out all carbs in my previous post? The example with ditching the hamburger buns definitely didn’t suggest this.