[quote]artw wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
artw wrote:
<<< it has nothing to do with his perception amongst Democrats. >>>
No, it has to do with his perception among the mindless “middle” who decide every election. It has gotten to the point where if we could lay bare the secret lives of everybody in DC and expel all those with some kind of ethics violation or corruption hidden therein, C-Span would consist of chirping crickets and an occasional vacuum cleaner… maybe. Bill Clinton was in the middle perjuring himself before the entire nation during this same time frame.
Given a choice among lying, thieving, narcissistic, back stabbing whores, Gingrich has a record of policies I like more than most and is no more corrupt than anybody else who will run. His problem is, just enough of his secrets are known to provide credible ammunition to a media that would blitz him anyway. His marriage record is pretty disastrous too.
To this day the MSM loves Clinton and hates guys like Gingrich and portrays them accordingly in their reportage. My next door neighbors are perfect examples of the result. They’re in their early 20’s and supported Obama because he was cool complete with lawn signs etc. I gave him a word association test about 5 minutes ago.
Me: Bill Clinton:
Him: (Kinda perks up) well the economy was pretty good
Me: Newt Gingrich
Him: (sort of a sour scowl as he tries to think) wasn’t he that guy that got thrown out of the government for doin sumthin?
First of all, since when has Gingrish’s name become such a harbinger of doom across the board to begin with? Where is his name synonymous with evil, the Daily Show? Give me a break and quit trying to present Gingrich and other poor Republican choices for President as some helpless victim of the “leftist media”. Clinton AND Obama get bashed harder and more frequently for more trivial things on FoxNews than anything Gingrich has suffered recently on CNN or MSNBC. I watch all three of these channels regularly and I probably watch Fox the most. The double-standard you’re setting here is comical.
This is exactly what I mean when I say the GOP needs to look at themselves first. All you’ve done since my original post is gloss over or ignore all of Gingrich’s clearcut faults as a candidate and accused the left of turning him into some sort of villain whose name is synonymous to all sorts of horrible connotations. If you want to have a serious political discussion about anything (when I say you I mean people in general, not you specifically, although this pertains to you.) people need to be willing to question their own beliefs and values and have the courage to examine whether they themselves may be wrong in some areas first.
Politics isn’t sports. The point isn’t to “root” for your team/party no matter what. You can change your mind or agree with both parties on various topics without being accused of disloyalty or of being a fairweather fan. The reality is that neither party represents a person’s beliefs 100% on every single topic. The way people refuse to acknowledge their own party’s shortcomings and refuse to demand that their party fix these things while blaming them on the opposition is THE central problem in the extremely polarized political landscape in America right now. Sure, people like Pelosi or Cheney don’t help, but they’re just symptoms of the larger problem. If you or anyone else is going to continue to hammer away at the belief that Gingrich won’t the GOP nomination or the Presidency in '12 because of anything other than his own faults or the better qualities of his GOP or Democratic opponents, then you’re jsut part of the problem.
People need to demand more from their leaders in America. People don’t need to look for reasons to make excuses for their leaders shortcomings out of some sense of loyalty or refusal to accept that their own party isn’t always right. Republicans AND Democrats both have great ideas about various issues, but you’ll never hear either side acknowledge this about the other.[/quote]
You are way late to this game on these boards pal.