[quote]dday wrote:
The Ronin wrote:
dday wrote:
Went to Wal-Mart and felt like everyone was looking at me.
The Walmart corp policy kinda sorta says they do not allow civilians to carry concealed even legally. It may be in your best interest to write a lettter or approach the store manager him or herself as they often have thier own beliefs, just to be safe.
Huh, did not know that? The law here in Missouri is that I can carry anywhere that doesn’t have a state issued no gun sign (11x14 w/ 1in lettering and an ordinance number) and the only places that have those are schools, government buildings and arenas, everywhere else can put up a sign but it’s a suggestion.
According to Missouri law (as taught in my CCW class) if a business has their own sign it’s a request and I can be asked to leave if they catch me carrying. The local Wal-Mart here doesn’t even have a no carry sign on the front door, if they have a no carry policy the need to inform folks at the door.
BTW I didn’t mean that to sound attacking, I’m honestly glad to have the information Ronin, if Wally World wants to be pissy about it I’ll probably just leave it in the car so as not to be hassled.
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Here we go, Walmart corporate policy on CCW, per this site it applies to employees only not lawful citizens.
As far as dealing with guns and children - the issue involves a little more than just gun safes as several others have already mentioned. Best case scenario - there has to be a climate of respect and obedience in which child-raising is done as a family (including extended family) so that the rules are reinforced by all of the adults.
My father taught my brothers and I how to shoot when we each reached 7 years of age. Our first interaction was with a 16 gauge shotgun - the recoil was fierce enough to instill a great deal of respect for the firearm -
the point being that guns can hurt and for a young child this really sinks in - we would not have understood moral arguments about the potentiality of killing others - but we definitely understood recoil.
But before we ever got to shoot we had to learn and repeat a simple mantra that sticks with me still.
All guns are loaded guns
Empty guns kill
Treat every gun as a loaded gun
We also learned the basic firearm safety rules - but that first lesson about respect and caution was the best.
With all of that said - all of my guns are locked away in a safe that only I have the key for -save for the single gun I keep in the bedroom.
[quote]MaddyD wrote:
abcd1234 wrote:
I would like to get a permit eventually, but I hear it’s a bitch to do so here in the People’s Republic of California.
its hard to do everything in california
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There’s more leeway with smoking weed(if that’s your thing,I can’t stand the shit). I believe penalties for minor possession are still harsh in several states.
if you want to be able to get to a gun fast and have it locked away from kids, look for biometric safes. I saw one once that as soon as it read your fingerprints the top slides off, and the gun pops up into your hand.
Thanks, I haven’t seen that link. There is way too much info floating around…
Here is a blurb from a letter from Walmart Corp. 2008
"Thank you for contacting Wal-Mart regarding our concealed handgun policy.
The following is our policy…If a Wal-Mart customer has been awarded a concealed handgun license by the state government, Wal-Mart will follow the direction of the state. However, if at anytime while on Wal-Mart property, that customer’s concealed weapon becomes visible to Wal-Mart associates or customers, Wal-Mart reserves the right to ask the customer to remove the weapon completely or to leave Wal-Mart property, With the exception of law enforcement personnel, Wal-Mart does not allow any exposed weapons to be worn or carried in public view on Wal-Mart property or in Wal-Mart stores. Customers other than law enforcement personnel wearing or carrying a weapon in an exposed manner will be asked to leave the property immediately."
This implies that flashing, printing or oc is not allowed. In truth it often seems up to the discretion of the store manager at the time. This particular company and it’s policies have been discussed at length all over. It seems almost impossible to get anything in writing on letterhead from corporate. Regardless, my entire point of posting is to say just be careful because you don’t want to go through the hassle if you can avoid it.
In bars and to Walmart I keep mine concealed. Most other places I open carry.
Thanks, I haven’t seen that link. There is way too much info floating around…
Here is a blurb from a letter from Walmart Corp. 2008
"Thank you for contacting Wal-Mart regarding our concealed handgun policy.
The following is our policy…If a Wal-Mart customer has been awarded a concealed handgun license by the state government, Wal-Mart will follow the direction of the state. However, if at anytime while on Wal-Mart property, that customer’s concealed weapon becomes visible to Wal-Mart associates or customers, Wal-Mart reserves the right to ask the customer to remove the weapon completely or to leave Wal-Mart property, With the exception of law enforcement personnel, Wal-Mart does not allow any exposed weapons to be worn or carried in public view on Wal-Mart property or in Wal-Mart stores. Customers other than law enforcement personnel wearing or carrying a weapon in an exposed manner will be asked to leave the property immediately."
This implies that flashing, printing or oc is not allowed. In truth it often seems up to the discretion of the store manager at the time. This particular company and it’s policies have been discussed at length all over. It seems almost impossible to get anything in writing on letterhead from corporate. Regardless, my entire point of posting is to say just be careful because you don’t want to go through the hassle if you can avoid it.
In bars and to Walmart I keep mine concealed. Most other places I open carry.
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That makes sense for sure. They don’t want to fight the laws but use the right to refuse service or a variation of it. Regardless, come Christmas white sale days at Walmart I’m packing
Any other females?
When I was a diamond buyer I carried. I keep my license current but never carry anymore. My car was stolen once with a weapon inside. The car was recovered and to my surprise a .45 that was stuck between the seat and console was still there.
In FL you cannot carry into a bar.
In bars and to Walmart I keep mine concealed. Most other places I open carry.
I thought it was illigal to carry a firearm into an establishment that provides alcohol for consumption on it’s premisis.[/quote]
Not necessarily, it depends on the state. In Pa. I can’t take it in a court house, state or federal building and school. Can’t take it in the post office.
As for a bar, I don’t carry if I have more than one or plan to have more than one beer.
[quote]jchenky wrote:
It scares the shit out of me that people just randomly walk around with guns in the US.
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News flash, good guys don’t do bad things. And bad guys don’t follow rules. My son is 14 and quite competent with a pistol. He cannot carry, but he can shoot fine in a self defense distance, 2-10-15 yards.
He is extremely safe, a decent shooter, and follows the rules. Guns are a tool, not a magical device that imparts evil powers to it’s user. the man holding the gun is the problem, not the gun. possibly the only way a young lady could have any kind of equal chance in a fight with a man is if she knows how to handle a firearm well and has been trained in self defense and awareness.
[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
I’m not criticizing any responsible person who chooses to carry concealed, but do you live in neighbourhoods where you actually feel a need to do so? [/quote]
You tell me when and where I will need one, and I’ll just stay home that day, thank you. a concealed gun is for that worst case scenario. you carry it because you don’t think you need a gun.
When I need a gun, I carry a rifle, not a pistol. A rifle is an offensive weapon, a pistol is a defensive weapon.
[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
For those who are licensed to carry and have children, how do you keep the gun at home? I imagine it would be very difficult. If you have it unloaded and locked away in a safe, it would be useless in a home invasion situation, but leave it in a drawer in your night table and you risk your kids lives. How do you reconcile this?[/quote]
As others have said, I trained my kids early and often. They were first taught safety well before they could hunt at 12. Before the age of 12 I had them shooting 22s and a few shots from their hunting rifles. both have decent skill.
My son is 14 and got his first buck, a spike this year at 14 years of age. He shot it at 225 yards with a 308. One shot through the lungs. I took him to shoot pistols last week. A snubbie 357 loaded with 38 specials, and my Kimber 45. he did very well with a little instruction. My daughter just wants to stick with the rifles for now.
I do look them up, but both are very safe and respectful, that I don’t have to worry with them. My safe is to protect from theft, not from my kids at this point. however, if you have youngsters, there are a variety fo quick safes that allow a loaded weapon to be stored for quick self defense access.
