Whitey Bulger Arrested

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[quote]WWEAttitude wrote:

He was also rat for the FBI and a backstabbing POS to his best friends whenever things took a turn for the worse. Something tells me being dangerous ain’t gonna save him from taking it up the ass for the next 5 or so years he has left of his pathetic life considering all the toes he stepped on until now.[/quote]

Predominantly he ratted on the mafia, which I’m not surprised about… no self respecting Irishman like those bastards.

But if I was him, I’d be watching my back for Kevin Weeks above all others…

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:
Not sure why he didn’t move to Brazil. they have no extradition treaty there. meaning, the united states wouldn’t be able to touch him there. [/quote]

Good god yes they do. Their protections do not extend to Americans. SMFH

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
Not sure why he didn’t move to Brazil. they have no extradition treaty there. meaning, the united states wouldn’t be able to touch him there. [/quote]

I’m sure getting all your money to a foreign country when you are on the top 10 wanted list is not exactly easy.[/quote]

Of course it would be. Roman Polanski did it. Even when he left his country, and the united states had him right where they wanted him, they still couldn’t do anything. he was eventually released. There was also this guy many years ago who fled to Brazil, met some young brazilian girl and married her. The usa couldn’t touch him. There are many countries with no extradition treaties. just takes some research. when you do illegal things, better to always have a good way out. [/quote]

As always on just about any subject, including your own health (physical and mental), you’re half-cocked here. Brazil DOES have an extradition treaty. The “guy many years ago who fled to Brazil”, whoever the fuck it was, was probably protected b/c he married a Brazilian citizen and the Brazilian constitution extended to protect him.

I have no fucking idea why I care to refute your stupidity, because I seriously believe no one listens or takes you seriously anyway.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
the shit this guy did is incredible.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-0623-whitey-bulger-20110623,0,3111204.story[/quote]

I’m genuinely intrigued, care to elaborate a bit?

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
the shit this guy did is incredible.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-0623-whitey-bulger-20110623,0,3111204.story[/quote]

I’m genuinely intrigued, care to elaborate a bit?[/quote]

Sure…which part? He has a long story.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
the shit this guy did is incredible.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-0623-whitey-bulger-20110623,0,3111204.story[/quote]

I’m genuinely intrigued, care to elaborate a bit?[/quote]

Sure…which part? He has a long story.[/quote]
Let’s see he basically destroyed Southie with drugs, claiming he was keeping drugs out of the town but really just other dealers couldn’t sell. He took over a liquor store by threatening the owners sayting he would kill his family the guy couldn’t do anything because if he told the cops the FBI wouldn’t touch him because of his “rat” status. He never gave the FBI any useful info, and only ratted on people so he could gain power. All his “robin hood” proganda was all that he was dirtier than the italian mafia. Check out Black Mass as that is the best biography of Whitey and his FBI handler

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[quote]kevinm1 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
the shit this guy did is incredible.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-0623-whitey-bulger-20110623,0,3111204.story[/quote]

I’m genuinely intrigued, care to elaborate a bit?[/quote]

Sure…which part? He has a long story.[/quote]
Let’s see he basically destroyed Southie with drugs, claiming he was keeping drugs out of the town but really just other dealers couldn’t sell. He took over a liquor store by threatening the owners sayting he would kill his family the guy couldn’t do anything because if he told the cops the FBI wouldn’t touch him because of his “rat” status. He never gave the FBI any useful info, and only ratted on people so he could gain power. All his “robin hood” proganda was all that he was dirtier than the italian mafia. Check out Black Mass as that is the best biography of Whitey and his FBI handler[/quote]

I think he is using incredible in a different context.

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[quote]PaddyM wrote:

[quote]kevinm1 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
the shit this guy did is incredible.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-0623-whitey-bulger-20110623,0,3111204.story[/quote]

I’m genuinely intrigued, care to elaborate a bit?[/quote]

Sure…which part? He has a long story.[/quote]
Let’s see he basically destroyed Southie with drugs, claiming he was keeping drugs out of the town but really just other dealers couldn’t sell. He took over a liquor store by threatening the owners sayting he would kill his family the guy couldn’t do anything because if he told the cops the FBI wouldn’t touch him because of his “rat” status. He never gave the FBI any useful info, and only ratted on people so he could gain power. All his “robin hood” proganda was all that he was dirtier than the italian mafia. Check out Black Mass as that is the best biography of Whitey and his FBI handler[/quote]

I think he is using incredible in a different context.[/quote]
If he did mea culpa I’ve talked to too many white trash clowns who think Whitey was a mixture of Santa and Robin Hood and he was closer to Scarface and Leatherface

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I did not mean “incredible” as in “incredible in a wonderful way.” More that it’s just that - an incredible story.

The guy survives all the Boston gang wars of the 70s, takes over South Boston, and, by having a state senate president for a brother and by flipping his FBI handler, secures his spot. He was a brutal killer and not a man to be admired.

After the tip off, he flees, and is on the run for 15 years as the man #2 only to Bin Laden on the FBI’s most wanted list, all the while inspiring the lead character in one of the best movies of the decade by one of the world’s famous directors.

Say what you will, but the story is just that- nearly unbelievable, and it reads like a book. He is also the last in the long line of Irish gangsters going all the way back to the start of the country - he was the only Irish boss left after the fall of the Westies in the 90s.

I agree he did nothing good, but I’ve got to hand it to him for living a hell of a life.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I did not mean “incredible” as in “incredible in a wonderful way.” More that it’s just that - an incredible story.

The guy survives all the Boston gang wars of the 70s, takes over South Boston, and, by having a state senate president for a brother and by flipping his FBI handler, secures his spot. He was a brutal killer and not a man to be admired.

After the tip off, he flees, and is on the run for 15 years as the man #2 only to Bin Laden on the FBI’s most wanted list, all the while inspiring the lead character in one of the best movies of the decade by one of the world’s famous directors.

Say what you will, but the story is just that- nearly unbelievable, and it reads like a book. He is also the last in the long line of Irish gangsters going all the way back to the start of the country - he was the only Irish boss left after the fall of the Westies in the 90s.

I agree he did nothing good, but I’ve got to hand it to him for living a hell of a life.[/quote]

So the FBI handler story, portrayed in The Departed by Matt Damon was largely following true events? Was all the killing depicted in the movie and Mark Wahlberg’s role sensationalised like Hollywood usually does it or was it pretty accurate?

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
Not sure why he didn’t move to Brazil. they have no extradition treaty there. meaning, the united states wouldn’t be able to touch him there. [/quote]

I’m sure getting all your money to a foreign country when you are on the top 10 wanted list is not exactly easy.[/quote]

Shit, it isn’t easy to get your person in a foreign country while at large let alone your money.

People forget how much a couple 100 grand really is. That is a lot of stacks of paper. You can’t just hop on a Delta flight to Brazil while wanted, and you really don’t want to carry 200k+ using smugglers and other unsavory folks to bring you across borders… The 800k he was found with is going to fill up a decent amount of space.

Those involved in criminal enterprise with plans to run, would be smart to keep liquid cash stores strategically held in places of future interest.

Worst part is, once your big tyme enough to have the kind of dough to stash a couple 100 grand around, people are already following you. So how do you get the cash to a hidden spot in the first place?

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
So the FBI handler story, portrayed in The Departed by Matt Damon was largely following true events? Was all the killing depicted in the movie and Mark Wahlberg’s role sensationalised like Hollywood usually does it or was it pretty accurate?[/quote]

The Departed was a rip off of Infernal Affairs (famous Hong Kong film)…just fyi.

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You East Coast guys need to understand, there really isn’t a mafia thing here (unless you mean Mexican Mafia). We haven’t had that kind of criminal element here on the West Coast, which means you don’t have cops looking for guys like this.

The area he was in (Santa Monica) is fucking niiiiiicccccceeeee. Right on the water, perfect weather, very little crime (which means you don’t have cops around in general). Why did he stay in the States? Who knows, there were so many stories of him being dead, or citings in other cities or countries, maybe he thought he was in the clear.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
Not sure why he didn’t move to Brazil. they have no extradition treaty there. meaning, the united states wouldn’t be able to touch him there. [/quote]

I’m sure getting all your money to a foreign country when you are on the top 10 wanted list is not exactly easy.[/quote]

Shit, it isn’t easy to get your person in a foreign country while at large let alone your money.

People forget how much a couple 100 grand really is. That is a lot of stacks of paper. You can’t just hop on a Delta flight to Brazil while wanted, and you really don’t want to carry 200k+ using smugglers and other unsavory folks to bring you across borders… The 800k he was found with is going to fill up a decent amount of space.

Those involved in criminal enterprise with plans to run, would be smart to keep liquid cash stores strategically held in places of future interest.

Worst part is, once your big tyme enough to have the kind of dough to stash a couple 100 grand around, people are already following you. So how do you get the cash to a hidden spot in the first place?[/quote]

Swiss banks used to be the way to go, but recently they started cooperating with US authorities on tax evaders. That’s how some of the guys I rubbed elbows with got around that issue. Then you got yourself a passport from Belize, and you were set.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
Not sure why he didn’t move to Brazil. they have no extradition treaty there. meaning, the united states wouldn’t be able to touch him there. [/quote]

I’m sure getting all your money to a foreign country when you are on the top 10 wanted list is not exactly easy.[/quote]

Shit, it isn’t easy to get your person in a foreign country while at large let alone your money.

People forget how much a couple 100 grand really is. That is a lot of stacks of paper. You can’t just hop on a Delta flight to Brazil while wanted, and you really don’t want to carry 200k+ using smugglers and other unsavory folks to bring you across borders… The 800k he was found with is going to fill up a decent amount of space.

Those involved in criminal enterprise with plans to run, would be smart to keep liquid cash stores strategically held in places of future interest.

Worst part is, once your big tyme enough to have the kind of dough to stash a couple 100 grand around, people are already following you. So how do you get the cash to a hidden spot in the first place?[/quote]

Swiss banks used to be the way to go, but recently they started cooperating with US authorities on tax evaders. That’s how some of the guys I rubbed elbows with got around that issue. Then you got yourself a passport from Belize, and you were set. [/quote]

Yeah, you have to have the forethought to plan ahead like that.

Too many people think they are untouchable and/or will go out in a blaze of glory I guess.

But point being, if your going to flee, you best have a plan in place while your still on top, because you will likely not be a successful as this dude if you don’t.

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

So the FBI handler story, portrayed in The Departed by Matt Damon was largely following true events? Was all the killing depicted in the movie and Mark Wahlberg’s role sensationalised like Hollywood usually does it or was it pretty accurate?[/quote]

Well, a couple things. Like the other guy said, The Departed is actually a ripoff of an Asian action movie - but the setting in South Boston, the idea that there is an Irish gangster running South Boston, and the like, was the part that was more or less inspired by Whitey Bulger. There are similarities in the stories.

Whitey never brought some kid up to be a cop - but John Connolly, the man assigned to “handle” him by the FBI, was effectively flipped and went to jail for the shit he did that helped Whitey out.

The progression and time line of the movie was nothing like real life. A lot of the killings happened over the course of years, and were the typical kind of killings that happen in the mob world - much more like the way it happens in “The Sopranos,” where this guy gets killed because of a personal reason, this other guy gets killed because he tried to screw them, this chick gets killed because someone dumped her and now she’s threatening to go to the FBI… that type of thing.

There was no coherent storyline like in the movie, which compresses six months or a year into a few hours.

As I recall, though, Dignam was actually pretty close to a real character, a sergeant in the Boston PD as I recall. I think it was Kevin Weeks - if you still want to talk in “Departed” terms, the guy Frenchie would be as close as you could come to what Weeks was - wrote about this in the intro to his book, and said that there was one detective that they thought was a douchebag but did act like Wahlberg. I’ll see if I can find the passage and give you a synopsis.

And yes, Whitey was an informant. He sold out a lot of guys from the New England Mafia, and that’s why he got a pass from Connolly a lot. However, he did sell out everyone under him too.

One thing is safely said though - there was much, much more killing in real life than in the movie, and Bulger was a brutal guy.

Go to wikipedia and look up the Boston Irish gang wars of the 70s, and you can follow all of the shit from the start. Or go read the book “Paddy Whacked” by TJ English, and you can get the whole story of the Irish mob, if you’re interested.

Weeks’ book “Brutal” is also fantastic.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
Not sure why he didn’t move to Brazil. they have no extradition treaty there. meaning, the united states wouldn’t be able to touch him there. [/quote]

I’m sure getting all your money to a foreign country when you are on the top 10 wanted list is not exactly easy.[/quote]

Shit, it isn’t easy to get your person in a foreign country while at large let alone your money.

People forget how much a couple 100 grand really is. That is a lot of stacks of paper. You can’t just hop on a Delta flight to Brazil while wanted, and you really don’t want to carry 200k+ using smugglers and other unsavory folks to bring you across borders… The 800k he was found with is going to fill up a decent amount of space.

Those involved in criminal enterprise with plans to run, would be smart to keep liquid cash stores strategically held in places of future interest.

Worst part is, once your big tyme enough to have the kind of dough to stash a couple 100 grand around, people are already following you. So how do you get the cash to a hidden spot in the first place?[/quote]

Swiss banks used to be the way to go, but recently they started cooperating with US authorities on tax evaders. That’s how some of the guys I rubbed elbows with got around that issue. Then you got yourself a passport from Belize, and you were set. [/quote]

Yeah, you have to have the forethought to plan ahead like that.

Too many people think they are untouchable and/or will go out in a blaze of glory I guess.

But point being, if your going to flee, you best have a plan in place while your still on top, because you will likely not be a successful as this dude if you don’t.[/quote]

There’s a great book by Marc Macyoung called “Street E & E” (Escape and Evasion) that can be downloaded free on the internet, and it’s kind of a manual for these types of things - and Whitey did it PERFECTLY.

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Agreed that Whitey did it right. He was living pretty well for quite a long time after all this shit happened.

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paddy whacked was a very good book.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

So the FBI handler story, portrayed in The Departed by Matt Damon was largely following true events? Was all the killing depicted in the movie and Mark Wahlberg’s role sensationalised like Hollywood usually does it or was it pretty accurate?[/quote]

Well, a couple things. Like the other guy said, The Departed is actually a ripoff of an Asian action movie - but the setting in South Boston, the idea that there is an Irish gangster running South Boston, and the like, was the part that was more or less inspired by Whitey Bulger. There are similarities in the stories.

Whitey never brought some kid up to be a cop - but John Connolly, the man assigned to “handle” him by the FBI, was effectively flipped and went to jail for the shit he did that helped Whitey out.

The progression and time line of the movie was nothing like real life. A lot of the killings happened over the course of years, and were the typical kind of killings that happen in the mob world - much more like the way it happens in “The Sopranos,” where this guy gets killed because of a personal reason, this other guy gets killed because he tried to screw them, this chick gets killed because someone dumped her and now she’s threatening to go to the FBI… that type of thing.

There was no coherent storyline like in the movie, which compresses six months or a year into a few hours.

As I recall, though, Dignam was actually pretty close to a real character, a sergeant in the Boston PD as I recall. I think it was Kevin Weeks - if you still want to talk in “Departed” terms, the guy Frenchie would be as close as you could come to what Weeks was - wrote about this in the intro to his book, and said that there was one detective that they thought was a douchebag but did act like Wahlberg. I’ll see if I can find the passage and give you a synopsis.

And yes, Whitey was an informant. He sold out a lot of guys from the New England Mafia, and that’s why he got a pass from Connolly a lot. However, he did sell out everyone under him too.

One thing is safely said though - there was much, much more killing in real life than in the movie, and Bulger was a brutal guy.

Go to wikipedia and look up the Boston Irish gang wars of the 70s, and you can follow all of the shit from the start. Or go read the book “Paddy Whacked” by TJ English, and you can get the whole story of the Irish mob, if you’re interested.

Weeks’ book “Brutal” is also fantastic. [/quote]

Thanks man. I’m definitely going to check it out, I’ve been looking for some new reading material.