This is exactly where I am. It’s not an active threat (such philosophies are always a de facto threat to civil society, but dying ones mean it isn’t actively metastasizing IMHO). However, it’s also not non-existent.
I feel that “hoax” is something I would never say about this topic and goes to Carlson’s detriment. However, I would have to say the point I assume he is making (that WS isn’t a major movement or active threat) is more true than false.
The one difficult aspect of this for me is the Streisand effect that Polo alluded to, and along with it the fact that the less civil our arguments become as a society (if you’re not my friend you’re my enemy) the more people tend to polarize.
This is the largest danger in my opinion. I plead with people, DO NOT water down the term because someone said something you don’t like or made an anti-immigration policy comment.
Please random internet people. Doing this opens the door for the real thing to fester underneath our noses because people just don’t want to hear it anymore.
Really? Find where I guessed your age in this thread mr illiterate. Good to see you back though on this one. Although no new alt rights words to look up for from you.
Well considering no one is a mind reader we’d have no way to really know why one wouldn’t report they were a WS and in what proportions. For instance, a WS may be ashamed and not report, or they are proud of it and understand the repercussions and do not report, etc.
Also to your point about the numbers being low and that’s a good thing if it is accurate (this is the less likely scenario), the numbers could also be inflated in that some people might misreport they are WS but aren’t for some reason…
What if Bigfoot is a Mythical creature supremacist?..
On a more serious note, I agree this issue should not be high on the list of concerns in the currently political climate. Much more pressing issues to deal with.
Milo supports child rape which is different than pedophilia. Pedophilia is being attracted to children. I think as long as no actions are taken that a pedophile should not be ridiculed over their attractions. I think many wish they did not have the attractions they do.
I am guessing most don’t know the distinction between a child rapist and a pedophile. I think the people who have those attractions and don’t act on them still get lots of hate over something they can’t control.
I’ve heard it come out before. I know that most people just assume pedophile = child rapist, but that is not true.
In the case I heard it, the person had never acted upon it, and was heavily depressed due to others knowing and ridiculing him about it. He was pursuing a straight adult relationship, since he understood that a child could never consent.
But yes, it would be a very dumb thing to ever tell anyone.
One of my cousin was attacked and beaten as he stood outside of a gas station smoking a cigarette this winter. He’s Native American, and the attackers were 4 white men. According to him and witnesses, 2 of them had visible swastika tattoos.
Was this white supremacism? Mm…I’m really just not sure. I think it was definitely some (possibly under-the-influence) racist assholes, but I don’t know that it was W.S. Unless you’re advocating the wipeout of an entire group of people, it’s tough to know that for sure. I think @H_factor said it great here:
I would venture to say it’s not very likely we’d get any further than that. There’s really no way of knowing exactly how many people are W.S.'s, so there’s no exact way to measure how serious of a situation it is.
Part of it depends on where you live and who makes up your area - historically, supremacists have targeted Jews and blacks. There’s very few of those where I live, but there’s a lot of Natives, and a growing numbers of Hispanics and some of the white people sure have a lot to say about them. My pastor grew up in CA and said he was very used to white vs. black racism, but when he moved to N.D. for college he was shocked by the things he would hear people say about Natives. It was a new level of racism for him. In other parts of the country Natives seemingly don’t exist and are thought of in terms of the past. So those people will have different ideas about them. Similar to how folks around here don’t talk about blacks very often, since we really don’t have very many of them. So I think it areas that have a lot of Jews, blacks, etc. you may find more self professed W.S.'s.
I agree with the majority here who believe it’s overblown by the left, and too casually dismissed by the right. I haven’t watched Tucker’s speech, because I don’t like talking heads generally, and especially don’t like him. But there is apparently some bullshit, spread by far left types on twitter or wherever they spread their nonsense, like the “ok” sign actually means White Power! Hoax is a nice word for bullshit.
I think actual white supremacists are very dangerous, even in small numbers. If and when Democrats win big in a national election, I expect we will see violence on a major scale from some far right nut jobs. Not just mass shootings, but perhaps Oklahoma City bombing type events. The terrorist attacks of September 11th reshaped our country, for the worst in a lot of ways: the Patriot Act, lives and treasure spent oversees in wars we are still entangled in with no way out. I shudder to think what a domestic terror strike could start. The wheels can come off the bus a lot faster than you think.
A major attack, or series of attacks doesn’t require a far reaching international conspiracy, just a few meth’d out losers in a compound somewhere with big dreams.
Agree. @Uncle_Gabby…but by calling it a “hoax”…Carlson was essentially saying it didn’t exist…then doubled down that it wasn’t a problem
If he didn’t mean it…then he needs to be more careful with his words and actions because of his sphere of influence (just like the left needs to tone down all of the “sky is falling” rhetoric with every action done by whites).
The chunk of people who could be called anti-immigration has a lot of important subgroups. You have:
White Supremacists: People who think white people are just inherently better and that whites should get rid of/avoid people of other races.
White Nationalists: People who don’t think whites are necessarily better, but think that whites should avoid mixing with people of other races anyways (and vise versa, in most cases).
Nativists: People who think we should just stop immigration regardless of race. Usually these people cite cultural or economic reasons for their position.
Nationalists: People who think we just need to do what is best for our country, and ignore everyone else.
People who think immigration should be limited (perhaps for cultural but usually for economic reasons). For practical reasons, these people oppose illegal immigration as immigration can only be controlled when it is all out in the open.
People who don’t have a problem with immigration as a concept, but think that it needs to be controlled for security and general record keeping purposes. This is obviously itself a very diverse group in terms of what should be done about people already here and also how quotas, queues, and general processing of immigrants should be handled.
There are obviously other divisions within these groups. Taken as a whole, probably most Americans fit into one of these groups (mostly the last two). And to a certain extent, all of these people are “anti-immigration.” And lumping them all together as white supremacists (or racists) is silly and not helpful. It dilutes the meaning of white supremacist. It gives cover to actual white supremacists. It makes people in the middle of this group more inclined to become more radical as the negative stigma of doing so becomes a sunk cost of simply opposing illegal immigration.
In regards to Tucker Carlson calling White Supremacy a hoax, it’s a poor choice of words and arguably simply semantically untrue. An ideology can’t be a hoax. Even if literally no one believes that ideology, it still exists as a possible idea and thus semantically can’t be a hoax. Arguing about whether it is, is a little like arguing about whether or not a Big Mac is a fast car.
If what Carlson was trying to say is that White Supremacy is a strawman that is used to bully and demonize anybody that wants anything less than complete open borders, I think he’s right on. Of course, by calling it a hoax, Carlson is guilty of the same hyperbole that is essentially what he is criticizing.
I think that’s correct. “Racist” or “Nazi” is now what modern “liberals” (who aren’t liberal at all, but rather totalitarians) call anyone who doesn’t agree with them, so it is has lost any meaning.
No, camps on the border for illegals are not concentration camps. My grandparents weren’t illegal immigrants to Germany, but rather productive citizens for centuries. While I am sure any camp is unpleasant, I don’t see crematories going up or mass burials. Also, I am not sure what other option there is to house hundreds of thousands of people. Is there room in Baltimore (which apparently is really a utopia now and saying anything else is . . . .racist)?
No, calling Chris Cuomo “Fredo” isn’t an insult to Italians. Fredo was the dumb, hotheaded, brother in the Godfather. Chris Cuomo is, well, a hot-headed moron.
No, despite what the trans-Hispanic “Beto” says, not a “all Trump supporters are racist” (although I am sure there are some racists who are Trump supporters).
It’s just annoying. And not a way to win an election.
