I hope the irony of this post isn’t lost on you you quasi morally superior cretin.
Incoming accusations of racist, white supremacists…etc… Facts are racist dontcha’ know ? You’re debating unprincipled self loathing simps.
The soft bigotry of low expectations.
What post? No one has any idea which post you’re talking about because you don’t know how to use the quote function. Maybe take a second from the creative insults to figure it out incel.
Cmon we have tinder no reason to not get laid man. Maybe don’t call her an npc or something on the first date. Let me know if you need more help.
How about this- Population growth is not linear. Therefore the time-point measurement taken from dates A to B of a given population does not represent a growth rate for a much larger projected period.
So basing your population turnover hypothesis on a given rate is flawed.
Like the baby boom. You know, boomers. Big explosive growth rate for a couple of decades, then a trough. Who knows? White people might have another one. Brown people might all migrate somewhere else for some unforseen reason.
I’ve met one person from Somalia in my entire life, and she happens to have a master’s degree. So as far as I can tell, 100% of all Somalis living outside of Somalia are IQ 135+ (as measured by my observation, which I see here is a perfectly valid measure).
This is the thing with IQ testing as a measure of a people’s potential; it reflects all sorts of things, some of which are environmental. Not enough food is one of them, threat of danger is another. I don’t know if you’ve ever had to organize thought while in a panicked state, @TheCB, but it can be challenging.
Interestingly, the Irish are taller now than they were 50 years ago. An entire nation of people are gaining on-average height. Food, man. It makes a big difference!
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Are they given the same test as adults? You have failed to show who these Somalis that were tested were. How many? Ages? The actual test they were given. We could test some white Americans living in the hills and compare those tests to whites living in wealthy suburbs. Would those results tell us anything about whites in general or the specific people being tested?
You also have failed, or rather avoided out of fear, to say why they have these low scores. Is it genetic?
And what would your pathetic refugee ancestors have scored on an IQ test?
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Because we always have been. I also like how Hispanic/Latino/etc. gets considered another race. Plenty of people from Hispanic nations are white. You’re going to tell me Ted Cruz isn’t white?
The Mirror? That other thing from Germany (written by a Brit)? Post an article from a legit German newspaper. You should be able to read German, right?
And why do you say non white Muslims when all the people mentioned appear to be white? I don’t think you even know what is considered white.
Slow start? My op was fucking gold!
Can you explain to everyone what you think those statistics mean without jumping to conclusions or issuing circular logic … again I don’t think it means what I think you think it means
You’re posting a statistic which may help explain to observations in a sample but tend to come with a margin of error which by their nature render then refutable … so not fact, statistic … this lends to the growing body of evidence that you’re a little light in understanding what you are talking about
It is possible and fairly common
Zing
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@zecarlo IQ is considered to be approximately 80% genetic and 20% environmental. I don’t know what you mean by “avoided out of fear.”
- “The Mirror” is a national British newspaper that has existed for decades. They are making a factual report. Your preference for an alternative newspaper is irrelevant.
- Your other claim about German newspapers is also utterly irrelevant.
- None of the people in any of the articles are white.
Based on these points, you are now on another stupidity ban, as it is a waste of time trying to converse with you.
@EmilyQ i don’t know what you mean by “thought in a panicked state.”
It appears that the claim is now that IQ assessments are not good enough in the eyes of some in this thread, which I don’t consider to hold much weight when they are seen to be an excellent measure in the eyes of academics across the world spanning many decades.
@polo77j my irrefutable facts claim and point about Government crime statistics cannot be reasonably disputed. Just because you may now come up with some convoluted nonsense to try and ‘prove’ me wrong, doesn’t count for anything. Black people have been recorded as committing 52% of the murders in America.
It is a shame that the 3 posters referenced in this comment like to play these boring “point scoring” type games in order to ‘prove’ they are right. I would have thought you would see it as beneficial to be open to changing your views on the world when presented with a straightforward and easy to understand outlook. For example, instead of seeing Somalia for the place it so obviously is (an abject failure by any definition):
- yeah but IQ tests don’t mean much
- yeah but what about if the tests were taken while machine guns were firing outside
- yeah but what if they were starving to death at the time
- yeah but what if they didn’t know what a test was (LOL)
- yeah but what was your ancestors’ IQ LOL
- yeah but I know a Somalian and they’re smart
- yeah but look I’ve produced one (one!) example of an intelligent Somalian via Google.
I truly do not understand your outright refusal to even contemplate that the reason Somalia may be in perpetual war/famine/utter disarray, is entirely down to the average intelligence level of the population being so low as to be incapable of producing a productive and functioning society.
This same outlook applies to Haiti, Baltimore and almost all black societies.
If every single black in Haiti and Baltimore were replaced with an average intelligence Japanese person tomorrow, we all know that within 15-20 years maximum, both locations would see a MASSIVE increase in productivity and a MASSIVE decrease in crime. The explanation for that is simple: an average Japanese person is more intelligent than an average black person.
Why? Why can’t they be reasonably disputed?? Convince me. I’m skeptical at best but open to being persuaded … you just saying “they cannot be reasonably disputed” is not sufficient support for your claim.
There was nothing convoluted about what I said. It’s the nature of statistics. If you had a more than passing, superficial understanding of statistics you’d understand this. You keep demonstrating your ignorance on the subject and keep doubling down with your circular logic fallacy as if it’s sound reasoning. It’s not.
Cool, that’s a population statistic; the population is all murders in America. IQ is not a population statistic, it’s based on samples. Do you know the difference and how one would go about interpreting them?
I’m not trying to prove I’m right about anything. I’m trying to demonstrate to you you should be skeptical about the statistics you’re citing - or at least be able to explain them in a satisfying way, demonstrating your understanding of them, but, alas, you deflect, which is further evidence you are ignorant about which you speak…satisfied with deferring to heuristics rather than attaining a robust understand of complex issues surrounding these topics…
I haven’t refuted that the stats you cited are the stats you cited. I simply pointed out they don’t tell the whole story, and an “average” is a weak statistic without further descriptive statistics associated with it, such as distribution, sample size, margin of error, etc. etc. But again, you choose to ignore these points rather than admit your weak understanding of the issue.
It’s been explained why and you ignore it and deflect.
Could be an impactful variable which could affect the test, no? You haven’t refuted the any of the variables posited which have measurable impacts on how one would perform on these IQ tests. You ridiculing it doesn’t refute these assertions; it just illustrates your ignorance of the subject and all that which encompass it…
This helps illustrate my point of distribution. What’s the distribution of the sample? standard deviation, etc etc - those are equally, if not, more so, important descriptive statistics as the average you’re clutching on to…
So you know how to use Google. Go and google the other descriptive stats surrounding Somali IQ and infer meaning from them. I think the articles you’re reading are biased and trying to spin an incomplete narrative - something you should be weary of wrt ANYTHING you read, i.e. the author’s motivation, especially when presenting incomplete and possibly misleading statistics;
Remember, there are 3 types of lies: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics…
That’s abundantly clear
You guys have not really argued against any points.
He posted the statistics/crime rates should you not prove them wrong if you believe them to be?
The crime/FBI statistics? Where did you point out the flaws.
No it hasn’t. Variables like environment and malnutrition have been brought up that alone does not explain the differences in IQ. While they are important once environment and malnutrition are taken care of the increase in IQ levels out after about 2 decades. There are still differences among groups. Would the fact that the country is in shambles not be in part be explained by the IQ of the population at large? It is not like everyone is suffering there will always be smart/smarter people making it.
Also, arguing for types of intelligence or what is tested does not make sense. IQ tests measure aspects of visual-spatial processing, auditory processing,short-term memory, and processing speed. They are not asking American trivia.
You accuse him of deflecting but, I can not find any refutation of his points. He may be wrong but, simply calling him a racist or white supremacist is not an argument.
** I apologize if you have directly countered his points but, I have not found any. I have not gone through the whole thread but, as I said earlier there a lot of jabs and insults.
Crime stats I have posted cannot be reasonably disputed. You are making such a facile point that I’m not even going to continue down that path.
You are conflating my points on IQ and crime statistics for your own ‘point scoring’ ends, and it bears no relevance to the actual points I am making.
I have stated that IQ is considered to be around 80% genetic and 20% environmental. Therefore I have noted and accepted that environmental factors (malnutrition/gun fire/whatever) do have an impact.
You are just going around and around with your points on IQ and again, it actually IS not that complicated.
IQ tests provide an accurate portrayal of an individual’s intelligence, in the view of relevant academic experts across the globe spanning decades. I’m not a world leading expert in IQ, I do not have to be in order to make the statements I am making.
You are trying to tie me in knots over the minutiae of IQ assessments, and it is simply not relevant or necessary for the discussion at hand.
Why is it always the dumb ones that go all “White Paur!” on us?
There must be a statistic or something that explains this shit.
What have you based this on?
It’s been a while since Raj attempted another account to argue race IQ as a justification for immigration policy against non-whites. I see not much has changed.
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Please can you point out the “dumb ones that go all ‘white paur!’ on us” in this thread, as I cannot see the connection you are making.
If you are unable to do this, as there have been no such posts, please could you explain the relevance of this comment and why you have made it, as I am at a loss as to the point you are attempting to make.
You should just copy and paste this as all of your responses to this thread.
Insou-sou-sou-souciance
I do not feel you are asking this in good faith, so do not see a benefit in discussing this with you. If you are interested, you are welcome to look into it yourself.
I suggest that CB and others read the following two books
Not a Scientist: How Politicians Mistake, Misrepresent, and Utterly Mangle Science by Dave Levitan
And
The Death of Expertise by Tim Ferris
Excellent books that both help explain the problems with statistics and taking data from just any old source.
The irony of course is that you are the one who is frequently arrogant and superior, shown again in this post.
I have used this board for many years, and have noticed you never miss an opportunity to nonchalantly drop in your performance, or those of relatives, in IQ test, into discussions, as you have already done in this thread.
It is a shame that someone as incredibly intelligent as yourself rarely attempts to make any even mildly thought provoking statements. No doubt you do not see the point in lowering yourself, but a shame nonetheless.