You mean because a couple of other cool white supremacists left you find the place less enlightening? Plenty of places on the internet exist where you and other white supremacists can pat yourself on the back and talk about how much better you are than everyone.
Also I would love to see what your IQ is but let’s spare the fake stuff
LOL wtf are you talking about???
Is this post meant to be taken seriously.
Please could you define “white supremacist” for me.
Can you define white culture?
Switch it to whatever you prefer then.
White nationalist.
Whites kick ass.
Whites are better than everyone else.
Whites are superior to all.
The world would be better with less black and brown.
But I was mainly laughing at the fact that you think the forum has taken a nose dive because we have less racists now. Just because your ideas are being shot down doesn’t mean the board is less enlightened. It’s just less of what you want to hear.
You do know definitions are literally a click away for you right? Or is that IQ failing you?
You’re spinning your wheels dude … what you consider to be dishonorable probably doesn’t align with his. Essentially, you’re pissing in the wind trying to insinuate he’s representing the corps dishonorably … that’s your opinion.
All of this is true. He’s a very thoughtful and thorough dude. He can engage in mudslinging though … so …
May not have been verbatim, but it was something along those lines and the sentiment is the same. To your point of them being interchangable - they aren’t. I don’t even know what a “white civilization” would be, Western civilization isn’t a “white” thing. It’s not a racial thing. They’re a set of ideals and virtues that go back to the founding of civilization itself. Rule of law, justice, individual Natural rights, self-governance, etc. are all ideals that have been adopted from many different civilizations and refined by peoples from all inhabited continents. Hence, why say Western Civilization is not interchangable with “white civilization” whatever that may be.
I’m not accusing of this next point, but to me, anyone who can make that mistake has a superficial at best understanding of the evolution and ideas that have contributed to Western Civilization. Shit, one of the pillars of said civilization comes from people of a middle eastern/semitic descent, Jews who originated in the Levant (Abrahamic religions - Abraham wasn’t European “white” but of some semitic descent - if we can go by historical peoples of the area around the time Abraham would have lived).
Not to mention the Greco-Roman virtues and philosophies were influenced and practiced by peoples in North Africa down to Ethiopia and across the middle east as and spread as far as the Indus River Valley and up into Mesopotamia/Fertile Crescent via Alexander The Great and the various kingdoms and empires that followed after his death. This is just a few examples to illustrate one who would mistakenly associate Western Civilization with “white civilization” is myopic and ignorant of the heritage they claim to celebrate. It’s insulting to those of us who seek to understand it on a deeper level and those of all races who have fought and died defending its ideals and virtues.
See my answer above. Given that, if Western civilization was spawned by any one peoples, it’d be the Greeks. English wasn’t at thing when they were thinking of the things upon which Western Civilization is based and was the Lingua-Franca of the Ancient Mediterranean and was the language of the educated class for elite Romans.
From that, Western Civilization was spread via the copying of Latin text by Christian monks in England, France, Europe etc. after the fall of Rome and its ideas spread via Latin masses - in Latin. These Greco-Roman ideas are what influenced scientists and intellectuals during the Rennaisance and English/Scottish/French Enlightenment periods.
There’s a lot to critique about your brief description of your idea of “white”/Western Civ - you may not had enough time to fully type out your thoughts so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. But, again, to use Western Civ. interchanably with “white” civilization is superficial, myopic and displays your lack of historic knowledge and understanding a the complex, multifaceted thing that is very difficult to summarize in one post…Volumes and Volumes of books written by better writers who are more knowledgeable of the subject exist and I suggest you start digging into it. Maybe start with The Histories by Democritus, The Decline and Fall of Rome, Summa Theologia, an academic understanding of the Old and New Testament, to name but a few and to just start to scratch the surface…
I have to assume you’re quoting things you do not understand fully given the way you presented it as if is meaningful. An average IQ, the way you presented it, means very little both as an aggregate and granular level. It gives no indication to the distribution, skewness, kertosis of said distribution curve of the group of whose IQ you’re reporting. Also, we know nothing of the sample from which this average was derived - could have been a biased sample and thus not representative of the population of which we speak. Hence why I don’t think you fully comprehend exactly what an Average IQ is and what it means, again, for the population or what it means for any individual you come across and the probability they are “average” … From everything I’ve read about the Quotient, it has its flaws and, from what I know about intelligence, isn’t an accurate representation of “intelligence” – spacial and pattern recognition, sure, that might be fair, but there’s more to intelligence than spacial and pattern recognition.
You might be right. You might do this. It’s easy to say that’s what I would do if…but you don’t know if that’s the case. Given where you’re at, and what you’ve communicated, which, I admit, is very very little, I’d wager you’d question that report if it came out yesterday given what you think you know right now and the history of learning it to this point…I would probably react the same. I’d think I’d change my mind, but it takes a lot of sound evidence to convince someone that something they thought they believed for a good proportion of their conscious life just isn’t so…
You most likely are mistaken. If you think it’s pretty straight forward concept to understand. I suggest you seek to understand to the point you can explain it to a five year old. What is “intelligence”? In what way is it measured by the IQ? Why that way? What are virtues of said method? Shortcomings? etc. etc. People write hundred plus page dissertations on just one or two aspects of these ideas and you think it’s “pretty straight forward” to understand. It’s not. You thinking it is tells me you don’t understand it. Shit, I don’t understand it, but I understand it enough to know it’s not “pretty straight forward”…
That’s fine. I don’t think you fully understand it though is my thing. You’re saying these things as if you have a strong grasp on these concepts that have helped to form your perspective and view on these complex issues to which you think are “fairly straight forward”. You also shy away from discussion them at length - I understand time can be a factor in explaining complex issues, but trying to pass them off as “pretty straight forward” is a logical fallacy - you’ve developed a heuristic, a cognitive short cut, for these complex issues, it’s simplistic and what you defer to when thinking of these things. You’re failing to engage in critical thinking on these issues. I’d recommend reading “Thinking, Fast and Slow” as a great read on how we think and in what ways we succumb to hard programmed biases and fallacies. It’s not necessarily a bad thing, but it’s something WE ALL should be aware of and recognize when we do it, and develop strategies on when to put in more thought on subjects, and when we don’t really know something…it’s a great read and well written - i.e. it’s entertaining, if you haven’t read it, man, get on it.
This. Intelligence isn’t an “observable” fact. You can’t observe someone “being intelligent” and the way we test for it is flawed at best. It’s not a hard science, like the physics of measuring sprinters, and can not be definitive. Again, your analogy leaves a lot to be desired…they’re not the same thing at all and can’t be compared, and wouldn’t be by someone who understands these things. You do not. I’m not saying that makes you bad, or a jerk; it makes you mistaken. I encourage deeper, further reading and understanding of the sciences of each of the aspects of what it is you are talking about, and the art behind applying the science…
Jesus Christ, you know shit about shit my man. Fuckin’ a you are speaking WAY the fuck out of your depth. Stop preaching this shit as if you have a clue my man. Your really saying you have no historical, anthropological, geographical, geological, psychological, religious (et al) perspective on this region and the peoples who have inhabited it throughout history…just wow
bruh all he’s saying is gain a historical perspective, you’re not exhibiting you understand, can sympathize or empathize, with the history of the peoples of the region throughout history. You’re showing a blaring lack of understanding…you’re exhibiting ignorance for the sake of one statistic that has shaped your simplistic view of a complex situation…
No, just gives you a starting point in researching the question YOU asked:
Start actually where you suggested. In 10,000 what have the various peoples who have inhabited the region now known as Somalia accomplished and contributed to, what?, the world? Western Civ? And why do they no longer do what they did when they were great? What were the various factors that have contributed to the state they’re in now? The state of living they were in then? And just keep going back and finding different sources for the same topic to get a more well rounded idea of who they were, who they are, how they live, etc. etc. And try to empathize with their experiences. How did these noteworthy events affect normal people like you and me? If you were them, how do you think you’d react? Think? Do you think you as an individual would have survived? Etc. Etc. I mean shit man, you’re not even trying here…
I’d go out on a limb and say Ilhan Omar isn’t a dummy either …
Well, you speak the Queens English, so I’d wager probably UK, Ireland, Canada or Australia…
No you don’t You make snarky comebacks which do not highlight WHY those influences did not negatively affect Somalia and the various peoples who inhabit it and that region…He mentions an event and you deride it. You did not refute it had any negative affect. Don’t act like you’re Big Brains Brett over here…You refuted but two things, Jack and Shit.
That’s weak sauce dude. You can’t engage in a thoughtful debate so you put him on mute? This isn’t twitter, you don’t run away when you’re losing homie. You gotta hone those thinking skills - ain’t going to do that if you run away from challenge son … this ain’t everyone gets a trophy man. If you want to engage in here, you better bring your fucking A game.
Still is … gotta stick around and contribute man. I’ve bee on these boards about as long dude. I gotta say you’re not really digging into the debate at all…
So are you saying you’d rather let other people build something great for you than help engage in a positive way and be part of that effort? No offense, but that’s pretty cowardly my dude. Plenty of great posters here but you’re not even trying to engage, to learn. You’re being abrasive and avoiding challenges to your points. You’re deflecting - you quite observably JUST DID IT by “muting” @zecarlo - I get it, I’ve wanted to mute him a few times, but I don’t. I’ve learned a lot from him, both in terms of factual history but also in humility and self-control and, well, respect. We don’t see eye to eye on a few topics and we can snipe at each other, but it’s all in good fun and intellectually honest and curious - and we’ve built that, along with soooo many other people on here, over years of challenging each others preconceptions and NOT RUNNING AWAY or poopooing on shit.
If you don’t want to participate, all cool and gang man, go on your way. But if you do, learn humility, charity, empathy - I guess what I’m saying is practice those virtues that are the bedrock of the Civilization you seem to hold in such high regard…because you’ve exhibited about zero of them in here today…those you think of as your ancestors would be ashamed.
So white supremacist and white nationalist are now synonymous
You have listed statements, of which I have made zero.
You were “mainly laughing” because I claimed there are less racists than previously. I never claimed or remotely inferred any such thing.
Your post could not have failed any harder really.
Are you from Somalia?
How did you guess? He’s the captain here.
I didn’t say they were the same low IQ. Stick with reading it improves over time. Did you think I was saying all those meant the same thing. I was saying call yourself what you want.
What do you call yourself? I don’t give a shit. I think it sounds like you fit the definition of it. You probably think differently which is fine.
I was saying we have less racists than we used to and therefore you think the quality of the forum has dropped. Here we go again with your inability to read.
I don’t know why you feel the need to constantly belittle Somalia. What’s weird is you whine about taking abuse in this thread while trashing humans (I know you probably don’t view them that way because IQ and all) who have always had it a 1000 times worse than you.
Your post couldn’t have failed hard…nah I don’t say stuff like that. I’m not an adolescent who thinks it’s important to have a dumbass ending to everything I say.
Indeed and I’ve been in the mud in the past with him many times. But unlike our new friend marine he actually posted something other than third grade drivel.
Ignoring the ridiculous racism of this statement, by what measure are they abject failures? Failures through the lens of capitalism? Or failures by some other measure of society?
From what I have seen and read the people who live in places like you have mentioned by and large could teach the rest of “civilization” a thing or two about how to treat your neighbor.
This is a good point. I heard they don’t have nearly the amount of Instagram posters as we do.
If we look at suicide rates we can say that people who live in Somalia desire to leave the Earth at a lower rate than people in America.
Maybe we could learn something from them?
Well, I must say I am impressed with your level of detail.
It is not meant as a cop out, but I am going to struggle to reply to this post in equal depth, one because I am using a phone and it is awkward to scan through all of the separate points you have made. Two, to be honest, I simply don’t want to reply in such depth. If you don’t agree with any/all of my views, that is fine by me.
I’ll already have to paraphrase a bit to what I will respond to.
I apologise that I haven’t responded in equal depth, but for the sake of brevity, there we are. It seems the best approach is to focus on the points of contention, which I hope I have done to an acceptable degree.
My final, over arching point, and trying to stick to the essence of this thread and discussion:
White societies (ie white majority) are demonstrably superior to almost every other society. Shown in the fact that almost every other society wishes to live in one.
A society is built by the people. Other factors are clearly involved, such as geography etc etc.
But the reality is that it is indisputable that white societies such as America are the height of human civilisation. The reason for that, is the people! If those people are replaced and end up becoming 0% of the population, so the civilisation will collapse.
Whites have been run out of Zimbabwe. What is the result? Almost instant famine!
Whites are under constant attack in South Africa. What is the result - SA is becoming just another African hell hole.
What do Baltimore, Haiti, Somalia, etc etc etc etc ALL have in common, more than anything else?
If you had to walk through a poor all black neighbourhood at 1am, or a poor all white one, or a poor all Japanese one, rank them in order of which you would think was the safest. We all already know the answer.
We can get into the minutiae of various points, but my overall comment on this topic is simple and straightforward - it really doesn’t require a 10,000 page thesis, as interesting as I’m sure it would be.
You really struggle to make cogent posts. I truly do not know what your point is with most of this waffle.
My one comment - how on earth are you still trying to fit my description of this forum as somehow meaning there are less ‘racists’
here?
My point was that this site as a whole and this forum in particular used to be full of interesting and smart people, with one or two attention seeking, repetitive idiots. Now, the opposite seems to be the case.
They are abject failures by their own definition - why are they trying to move to white societies if for no other reason than their own societies are failing.
As for your “ridiculous racism” comment, can you and others go more than two sentences without using the big, scary word “racism.” It is so fucking boring.
And your “they could teach people a thing or two about how to treat your neighbour.” Sure they can. Black societies have NO problem with violence after all, now do they.
The poor Japanese one, easily, you Moe-ron.
You actually tried to make some points, so of course…
Clearly you have never visited the Ozark mountains region. Next to zero minorities, insane poverty, meth use, violence. In an all white sub culture of the US. Imagine that.
Just calling a spade a spade. Your posts clearly indicate you feel “white society” is superior to others and you make hyperbolic generalizations about societies you know nothing about.
This is just a non sequitur, by no means the first in this thread.
Seriously, when you make a post do you not read it back and see if it makes sense?
I do not make “hyperbolic generalisations about societies I know nothing about.”
Please be specific. It aids discussion. This post is very weak.