[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
When you say life, do you mean human existance? The afterlife? You think god stirs the pot here on this little planet? Directs action?
If I’m an all powerful all knowing being, what do I get out of it? Even God has to have a motive, otherwise everything is just pure coincidence. So is your premise that God has human motives? And again, Military power and NSA power is relative and still nothing to fear. They can take much from me, but some things they have no power over is my free will and my soul. you don’t seem to be following my lead and instead are just posting whatever you feel like. In any event, I’m getting bored jumping through your hoops only to have you throw up another hoop instead of jumping through one of mine.
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I wasn’t aware that I was ‘putting up hoops’ and thought I was answering your questions.
God’s motive is Justice, but He likes to see it be established by His children. Just as you could easily smash some kid who bullies your son, you try and teach him to fight his own fights, no?
Remember also that Man was made in God’s image. That means that God actually has a lot of human characteristics, by implication. It is this connection that causes us to have a conscience/soul. Those who have destroyed their conscience/soul (as Newbatman showed at the thread beginning) are in the grasp of evil, having denied God. That’s the free will part.
Am I answering your questions? Remember that I am more the secular end of the spectrum. Newbatman is the theological end.
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The questions I was referring to was the line of questioning on gods needs or wants. I don’t remember ever getting anything straight on those. Does he need/want anything.
Also I can’t “remember” that man was created in gods image. I can remember that that is what the bible says, (or rather my religion teacher), but I cannot remember something and recall it as a fact when no evidence can be provided to me.
Basically, I want gods motives for making existance, for making life. I want the WHY not the How. I know that the bible goes all into the how. But I do not think it does a good enough job of the WHY. so I want you to tell me since you are more well read on it than I am.
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Well heck, that’s an easy one to answer.
God enjoys existence as much as you and I. He gets the most enjoyment by turning matter into thought. Living things process matter into thought and He enjoys that. We are extensions of God, turning matter into thought. He created the material universe and put living things in it so as to enjoy the process.
The more you think, the more God likes it. That why, for ex, you get a thrill by conquering a math problem. That’s your reward for thinking.
You get punished for abusing thinking, such as using alcohol or meth or some other evilness such as that. You get punished for killing, especially higher thinking beings like humans.
That was easy.
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So do you get punished for having gay sex? What about not intervening when one person kills another? What about killing during a war, you are protecting innocents by killing others. The other soldiers may or may not be innocent themselves (for example if they were forced into service).
In any event, your reasoning was much closer to mine than I would have thought, but I have never once heard that from the catholic church. The only major difference is that I believe we are here for experiences, not necissarily “thinking” I think experiences of all shades need to be had, so god enjoys the good and bad alike.
You didn’t get that from the bible right? so how did you come to that belief?
V
