you know Peter says to conduct your time here in “fear and trembling”
[quote]newbatman wrote:
you know Peter says to conduct your time here in “fear and trembling”[/quote]
Why?
[quote]Dustin wrote:
[quote]newbatman wrote:
you know Peter says to conduct your time here in “fear and trembling”[/quote]
Why?[/quote]
Why ask why, drink Bud Dry.
V
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]Dustin wrote:
[quote]newbatman wrote:
you know Peter says to conduct your time here in “fear and trembling”[/quote]
Why?[/quote]
Why ask why, drink Bud Dry.
V[/quote]
Indeed.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]newbatman wrote:
so I had this experience where I witnessed a demon wailing in pain and terror at its fate on judgement day…
about 3,500 feet away…
the wailing was like Chewbacca from Star Wars wailing but 100 times louder…
the thing was definitely big and strong (compared to a man)…
it was like the sound of a big tractor trailer truck the size of 30 square city blocks with metal on metal breaks grinding it to a stop…
I was horrified and shaken…
I do not want to share its fate…
the sound pierces my insides still…
I fear God terribly…[/quote]
…as you should.
[/quote]
I’ll counter with, there is nothing to fear but fear itself. Fearing god is pretty stupid IMO, if your god is real, he can do whatever the hell he want’s with your sorry ass anyways, does fearing him make him like you more? Are you his little bitch?
V[/quote]
The beginning of all wisdom is fear of the Lord.
if someone can pull up the original hebrew for that quote Headhunter just posted:
(use the Textus Receptus manuscripts)
I think the hebrew word translated “fear” is derived from “respect”…
but I am not sure who told me that and would need verification…its definitely not just being afraid though the feeling you have in The Holy Spirit described as “fear of The Lord”…its more respect and also a fear with absolute acceptance where The Lord is in the right and you are the one in violation many times in the relationship and he is justified in whatever he wants to do and you can only hope he chooses you for his side fearing how much damage to your relationship you did…
does that sound right?
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]newbatman wrote:
so I had this experience where I witnessed a demon wailing in pain and terror at its fate on judgement day…
about 3,500 feet away…
the wailing was like Chewbacca from Star Wars wailing but 100 times louder…
the thing was definitely big and strong (compared to a man)…
it was like the sound of a big tractor trailer truck the size of 30 square city blocks with metal on metal breaks grinding it to a stop…
I was horrified and shaken…
I do not want to share its fate…
the sound pierces my insides still…
I fear God terribly…[/quote]
…as you should.
[/quote]
I’ll counter with, there is nothing to fear but fear itself. Fearing god is pretty stupid IMO, if your god is real, he can do whatever the hell he want’s with your sorry ass anyways, does fearing him make him like you more? Are you his little bitch?
V[/quote]
The beginning of all wisdom is fear of the Lord.
[/quote]
Fear is a crippling emotion, not a path to wisdom my friend. Shed it in all forms and find true wisdom. Of course if you do not believe in an eternal spirit inhabiting your body, then by all means fear it up. Since I have come to the acceptance that my true form, the spirit cannot be destroyed, then I have nothing to fear. Especially a “LORD” (Lord of the Rings? Lord of the Flies?) I will experience my existance and god will love me for it.
I can paint a picture of a perfect god for you if you want. One who gives free will, who loves unconditionally and needs nothing. If you want me to start painting you just let me know.
Also you still never answered my questions.
V
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]newbatman wrote:
so I had this experience where I witnessed a demon wailing in pain and terror at its fate on judgement day…
about 3,500 feet away…
the wailing was like Chewbacca from Star Wars wailing but 100 times louder…
the thing was definitely big and strong (compared to a man)…
it was like the sound of a big tractor trailer truck the size of 30 square city blocks with metal on metal breaks grinding it to a stop…
I was horrified and shaken…
I do not want to share its fate…
the sound pierces my insides still…
I fear God terribly…[/quote]
…as you should.
[/quote]
I’ll counter with, there is nothing to fear but fear itself. Fearing god is pretty stupid IMO, if your god is real, he can do whatever the hell he want’s with your sorry ass anyways, does fearing him make him like you more? Are you his little bitch?
V[/quote]
The beginning of all wisdom is fear of the Lord.
[/quote]
Fear is a crippling emotion, not a path to wisdom my friend. Shed it in all forms and find true wisdom. Of course if you do not believe in an eternal spirit inhabiting your body, then by all means fear it up. Since I have come to the acceptance that my true form, the spirit cannot be destroyed, then I have nothing to fear. Especially a “LORD” (Lord of the Rings? Lord of the Flies?) I will experience my existance and god will love me for it.
I can paint a picture of a perfect god for you if you want. One who gives free will, who loves unconditionally and needs nothing. If you want me to start painting you just let me know.
Also you still never answered my questions.
V[/quote]
Since God can do as He pleases, he could certainly make me or anyone else’s life terrible beyond imagining. That terrifies me as it would any sane person.
Here on earth, the American military and the NSA are God’s powerful right hand. Look how we have smashed evil all around the globe. We are doing His divine will.
What’s wrong with that?
[quote]Vegita wrote:
Especially a “LORD” (Lord of the Rings? Lord of the Flies?) I will experience my existance and god will love me for it.
V[/quote]
What about the Dark Lord of the Sith? He’s pretty cool and would get my vote. Plus he would teach me all sorts of cool stuff…special powers and whatnot.
hold on…I am goin to fight crime in Philly…got a bus to catch…be back later…
[quote]newbatman wrote:
hold on…I am goin to fight crime in Philly…got a bus to catch…be back later…[/quote]
Take your time.
Actually, don’t come back at all.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]newbatman wrote:
so I had this experience where I witnessed a demon wailing in pain and terror at its fate on judgement day…
about 3,500 feet away…
the wailing was like Chewbacca from Star Wars wailing but 100 times louder…
the thing was definitely big and strong (compared to a man)…
it was like the sound of a big tractor trailer truck the size of 30 square city blocks with metal on metal breaks grinding it to a stop…
I was horrified and shaken…
I do not want to share its fate…
the sound pierces my insides still…
I fear God terribly…[/quote]
…as you should.
[/quote]
I’ll counter with, there is nothing to fear but fear itself. Fearing god is pretty stupid IMO, if your god is real, he can do whatever the hell he want’s with your sorry ass anyways, does fearing him make him like you more? Are you his little bitch?
V[/quote]
The beginning of all wisdom is fear of the Lord.
[/quote]
Fear is a crippling emotion, not a path to wisdom my friend. Shed it in all forms and find true wisdom. Of course if you do not believe in an eternal spirit inhabiting your body, then by all means fear it up. Since I have come to the acceptance that my true form, the spirit cannot be destroyed, then I have nothing to fear. Especially a “LORD” (Lord of the Rings? Lord of the Flies?) I will experience my existance and god will love me for it.
I can paint a picture of a perfect god for you if you want. One who gives free will, who loves unconditionally and needs nothing. If you want me to start painting you just let me know.
Also you still never answered my questions.
V[/quote]
Since God can do as He pleases, he could certainly make me or anyone else’s life terrible beyond imagining. That terrifies me as it would any sane person.
Here on earth, the American military and the NSA are God’s powerful right hand. Look how we have smashed evil all around the globe. We are doing His divine will.
What’s wrong with that?
[/quote]
When you say life, do you mean human existance? The afterlife? You think god stirs the pot here on this little planet? Directs action?
If I’m an all powerful all knowing being, what do I get out of it? Even God has to have a motive, otherwise everything is just pure coincidence. So is your premise that God has human motives? And again, Military power and NSA power is relative and still nothing to fear. They can take much from me, but some things they have no power over is my free will and my soul. you don’t seem to be following my lead and instead are just posting whatever you feel like. In any event, I’m getting bored jumping through your hoops only to have you throw up another hoop instead of jumping through one of mine.
V
[quote]Vegita wrote:
When you say life, do you mean human existance? The afterlife? You think god stirs the pot here on this little planet? Directs action?
If I’m an all powerful all knowing being, what do I get out of it? Even God has to have a motive, otherwise everything is just pure coincidence. So is your premise that God has human motives? And again, Military power and NSA power is relative and still nothing to fear. They can take much from me, but some things they have no power over is my free will and my soul. you don’t seem to be following my lead and instead are just posting whatever you feel like. In any event, I’m getting bored jumping through your hoops only to have you throw up another hoop instead of jumping through one of mine.
V[/quote]
I wasn’t aware that I was ‘putting up hoops’ and thought I was answering your questions.
God’s motive is Justice, but He likes to see it be established by His children. Just as you could easily smash some kid who bullies your son, you try and teach him to fight his own fights, no?
Remember also that Man was made in God’s image. That means that God actually has a lot of human characteristics, by implication. It is this connection that causes us to have a conscience/soul. Those who have destroyed their conscience/soul (as Newbatman showed at the thread beginning) are in the grasp of evil, having denied God. That’s the free will part.
Am I answering your questions? Remember that I am more the secular end of the spectrum. Newbatman is the theological end.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
When you say life, do you mean human existance? The afterlife? You think god stirs the pot here on this little planet? Directs action?
If I’m an all powerful all knowing being, what do I get out of it? Even God has to have a motive, otherwise everything is just pure coincidence. So is your premise that God has human motives? And again, Military power and NSA power is relative and still nothing to fear. They can take much from me, but some things they have no power over is my free will and my soul. you don’t seem to be following my lead and instead are just posting whatever you feel like. In any event, I’m getting bored jumping through your hoops only to have you throw up another hoop instead of jumping through one of mine.
V[/quote]
I wasn’t aware that I was ‘putting up hoops’ and thought I was answering your questions.
God’s motive is Justice, but He likes to see it be established by His children. Just as you could easily smash some kid who bullies your son, you try and teach him to fight his own fights, no?
Remember also that Man was made in God’s image. That means that God actually has a lot of human characteristics, by implication. It is this connection that causes us to have a conscience/soul. Those who have destroyed their conscience/soul (as Newbatman showed at the thread beginning) are in the grasp of evil, having denied God. That’s the free will part.
Am I answering your questions? Remember that I am more the secular end of the spectrum. Newbatman is the theological end.
[/quote]
The questions I was referring to was the line of questioning on gods needs or wants. I don’t remember ever getting anything straight on those. Does he need/want anything.
Also I can’t “remember” that man was created in gods image. I can remember that that is what the bible says, (or rather my religion teacher), but I cannot remember something and recall it as a fact when no evidence can be provided to me.
Basically, I want gods motives for making existance, for making life. I want the WHY not the How. I know that the bible goes all into the how. But I do not think it does a good enough job of the WHY. so I want you to tell me since you are more well read on it than I am.
V
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
When you say life, do you mean human existance? The afterlife? You think god stirs the pot here on this little planet? Directs action?
If I’m an all powerful all knowing being, what do I get out of it? Even God has to have a motive, otherwise everything is just pure coincidence. So is your premise that God has human motives? And again, Military power and NSA power is relative and still nothing to fear. They can take much from me, but some things they have no power over is my free will and my soul. you don’t seem to be following my lead and instead are just posting whatever you feel like. In any event, I’m getting bored jumping through your hoops only to have you throw up another hoop instead of jumping through one of mine.
V[/quote]
I wasn’t aware that I was ‘putting up hoops’ and thought I was answering your questions.
God’s motive is Justice, but He likes to see it be established by His children. Just as you could easily smash some kid who bullies your son, you try and teach him to fight his own fights, no?
Remember also that Man was made in God’s image. That means that God actually has a lot of human characteristics, by implication. It is this connection that causes us to have a conscience/soul. Those who have destroyed their conscience/soul (as Newbatman showed at the thread beginning) are in the grasp of evil, having denied God. That’s the free will part.
Am I answering your questions? Remember that I am more the secular end of the spectrum. Newbatman is the theological end.
[/quote]
The questions I was referring to was the line of questioning on gods needs or wants. I don’t remember ever getting anything straight on those. Does he need/want anything.
Also I can’t “remember” that man was created in gods image. I can remember that that is what the bible says, (or rather my religion teacher), but I cannot remember something and recall it as a fact when no evidence can be provided to me.
Basically, I want gods motives for making existance, for making life. I want the WHY not the How. I know that the bible goes all into the how. But I do not think it does a good enough job of the WHY. so I want you to tell me since you are more well read on it than I am.
V[/quote]
Well heck, that’s an easy one to answer.
God enjoys existence as much as you and I. He gets the most enjoyment by turning matter into thought. Living things process matter into thought and He enjoys that. We are extensions of God, turning matter into thought. He created the material universe and put living things in it so as to enjoy the process.
The more you think, the more God likes it. That why, for ex, you get a thrill by conquering a math problem. That’s your reward for thinking.
You get punished for abusing thinking, such as using alcohol or meth or some other evilness such as that. You get punished for killing, especially higher thinking beings like humans.
That was easy.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Well heck, that’s an easy one to answer.
God enjoys existence as much as you and I. He gets the most enjoyment by turning matter into thought. Living things process matter into thought and He enjoys that. We are extensions of God, turning matter into thought. He created the material universe and put living things in it so as to enjoy the process.
The more you think, the more God likes it. That why, for ex, you get a thrill by conquering a math problem. That’s your reward for thinking.
You get punished for abusing thinking, such as using alcohol or meth or some other evilness such as that. You get punished for killing, especially higher thinking beings like humans.
That was easy.
[/quote]
So what do you consider punishment then?
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
You get punished for abusing thinking, such as using alcohol or meth or some other evilness such as that.
[/quote]
I could go for a beer right now.
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Well heck, that’s an easy one to answer.
God enjoys existence as much as you and I. He gets the most enjoyment by turning matter into thought. Living things process matter into thought and He enjoys that. We are extensions of God, turning matter into thought. He created the material universe and put living things in it so as to enjoy the process.
The more you think, the more God likes it. That why, for ex, you get a thrill by conquering a math problem. That’s your reward for thinking.
You get punished for abusing thinking, such as using alcohol or meth or some other evilness such as that. You get punished for killing, especially higher thinking beings like humans.
That was easy.
[/quote]
So what do you consider punishment then?[/quote]
Punishment is being weeded out from those who think; kind of like how God gave up on the dinosaurs.
NBM could answer this part better than I.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Well heck, that’s an easy one to answer.
God enjoys existence as much as you and I. He gets the most enjoyment by turning matter into thought. Living things process matter into thought and He enjoys that. We are extensions of God, turning matter into thought. He created the material universe and put living things in it so as to enjoy the process.
The more you think, the more God likes it. That why, for ex, you get a thrill by conquering a math problem. That’s your reward for thinking.
You get punished for abusing thinking, such as using alcohol or meth or some other evilness such as that. You get punished for killing, especially higher thinking beings like humans.
That was easy.
[/quote]
So what do you consider punishment then?[/quote]
Punishment is being weeded out from those who think; kind of like how God gave up on the dinosaurs.
NBM could answer this part better than I.
[/quote]
I didn’t ask NBM, I asked you. And who do you consider the punished, people that are put in jail. Those infected with terminal disease?
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
I didn’t ask NBM, I asked you. And who do you consider the punished, people that are put in jail. Those infected with terminal disease?[/quote]
Insofar as you are prevented from thinking (and I mean thinking according to what we are, the rational animal), that is punishment. When you drink, for ex, you kill brain cells. That’s punishment.
More later.