Which QB Do You Draft?

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[quote]Aaron86 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Randall Cunningham.

No fucking doubt.[/quote]

My dad called that as well, said RGIII is the second coming of Randall without the character isssues at the beginning of his career.

I’d draft RGIII over Luck any day. He’s gonna be the truth, y’all just wait and see. [/quote]
your an idiot

My point, lucks been doing it and NFL ready plus he has the only thing that matters…[/quote]

Wow, harsh words buddy.

‘only thing that matters…’ elaborate please.

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[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
DB Hasselhoff:

FTR I made the Newton-Griffin Comparison based on the spread offense and being running style QB’s and not on their bodies.

All:

Who is going to buy St. Louis’s pick? If Cleveland (Holmgren) decides to do it they’re stupid. Stupid Stupid Stupid.

They need to stay with McCoy and improve their O-line. If they move up to draft RG3, not only will they be saying “hey Hook’em McCoy, go fuck yourself,” but they’ll also be offering RG3 up for the same slaughter from teams like Pitt AND B-more, both of whom they have to play TWICE in a season.

I like to think Holmgren is smarter than that.

So who will it be?

I’m a tittering little school girl daydreaming about a tea-party with my dollies on this one. It’s going to be an interesting draft this year boys!

Also, HOW STUPID DOES OAKLAND LOOK NOW???

I mean yeah, they were pretty dumb before, but giving up that first round pick to Cinci for Palmer was not smart.

[/quote]

I say Seattle makes a sneak attack and gets RG3, but Foreskins may also.

Browns are going to trade for Flynn, then take Blackmon at 4, then a RB in bottom of 1st.[/quote]

I think seattle would be a good fit as long as they get some recievers in there for him to throw to. Pete Carrol would be a good coach for him and his development.

I don’t want him to go to Washington, that place has been a black hole for talent recently. [/quote]

Syndey Rice is a decent WR in Seattle, plus the Resurrection Williams, Golden Tate plus they have Lynch and Leon Washington.

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[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
I should probably clarify that in this year’s draft I would take Luck over RG3. Luck has that Big-Ben body combined with mobility and fantastic passing ability. I don’t usually agree with the ESPN football morons but I actually think the statement ‘once in a generation QB’ could apply to Luck. [/quote]

It’s really a toss up. It will be fun to watch how it all turns out. [/quote]

It’s really not.

Not that NFL GM’s are infallible but here’s a little ‘common sense’ test on how can’t miss Luck is vs RG3:

The Indianapolis Colts still have Peyton(and yes he can still play), and yet they aren’t even entertaining the idea of trading away the #1 or selecting RG3 instead.

The St. Louis Rams have Sam Bradford, who isn’t exactly tearing up the NFL(to be fair he has terrible talent around him aside from Jackson), and is a papercut away from being sidelined for another season, yet there is 0 reports of them preparing to take him at #2(in fact, there’s reports that if they don’t get a good enough offer they’ll just take Kalil and let him fall to CLE, which would be fuckin sweet).

I’m not saying this means RG3 is bad, but he’s not Andrew Luck.[/quote]

We’ll have to wait and see.

All I’m saying is I was at a bar last night and a guy said ‘I don’t know man, Luck just seems like he’s a smarter quarterback than Griffin…’

Stats, combine performances, and or college offensive systems aside I think this mentality has a lot to do with Luck’s hype. [/quote]

The mentality that he ran a pro offense and is thus more pro ready? Ya, how crazy, that mentality. Rational thought has not place in sports discussions, it must just be racism.
[/quote]

I said college offensive systems aside.

I will not return you sarcastic attack, I will just direct you to my previous post. [/quote]

Running a pro offense is what makes him the ‘smarter quarterback.’ That’s my point. You’re trying to throw out a qualifier because it hurts your comparison. Everyone who has spoken about Luck from a position of authority, having broken down his tape over and over again, raves about his ability to run a pro offense, his pocket presence, the way he goes through receiver progression, his at-the-line play adjustment(putting receivers in motion, calling proper hot routes and audibles); he is the complete QB package, much of which comes down to being ‘smart’(football smart).

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^ Football IQ Red is the term

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Every thread has to got harsh almost immediately anymore. You guys do realize that everyone has opinion? & it doesn’t have to end w/idiot/dumbass/ stupid & the such.

You aren’t going to be missing on either one of those 2. As I stated earlier it will all depend on the team they land with. As far as I’m concerned its all about winning. & as much as I praised Cam & he had one hell’uva yr, his team still lost.

The skins are better bet to win w/RG than Seattle is. Outside of Sea. division, Washington is built pretty good. People forget that Hankerson got hurt last yr. But when he did play he was a beast. Decent O line & a top 10 def.

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from espn.com - “… In a column published Monday, Howard Balzer of 101 ESPN Radio argues that if the Rams are going to trade the pick, it makes sense to do so very soon. As in, before free agency begins on March 13.”

[i]It’s long been thought that the St. Louis Rams would be auctioning off their No. 2 overall draft pick (and likely, Robert Griffin III) to the highest bidder, and that thought has been confirmed by recent reports, indicating that they’ve already begun trade talks. The prevailing opinion is that teams like the Cleveland Browns (with the No. 4 and No. 22 picks), the Washington Redskins (No. 6), Miami Dolphins (No. 8) and Seattle Seahawks (No. 12) would be involved in the bidding, and, based on the fact that they may be able to include CB Asante Samuel and WR DeSean Jackson in their trade package, the Philadelphia Eagles can’t be ruled out just yet either.

In a column published Monday, Howard Balzer of 101 ESPN Radio argues that if the Rams are going to trade the pick, it makes sense to do so very soon. As in, before free agency begins on March 13.

“Some teams like Washington or Miami might no longer be interested if they decide to sign Matt Flynn or Kyle Orton,” Balzer acknowledges. “Peyton Manning’s status might also affect the situation. He is due a $28 million option bonus on March 8 and will become a free agent if the Colts elect not to pay it.”

It’s important to note that trades can’t be officially completed prior to the start of the league year on March 13, but a deal can be in place beforehand.

UPDATE: Jim Thomas of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch pegs the Washington Redskins as the early front-runner to acquire the No. 2 overall pick so they can draft RG3 “in large part because of the good relationship between team executives (Washington’s Bruce Allen and Demoff) and coaches (Jeff Fisher and Washington’s Mike Shanahan).” [/i]

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
I should probably clarify that in this year’s draft I would take Luck over RG3. Luck has that Big-Ben body combined with mobility and fantastic passing ability. I don’t usually agree with the ESPN football morons but I actually think the statement ‘once in a generation QB’ could apply to Luck. [/quote]

It’s really a toss up. It will be fun to watch how it all turns out. [/quote]

It’s really not.

Not that NFL GM’s are infallible but here’s a little ‘common sense’ test on how can’t miss Luck is vs RG3:

The Indianapolis Colts still have Peyton(and yes he can still play), and yet they aren’t even entertaining the idea of trading away the #1 or selecting RG3 instead.

The St. Louis Rams have Sam Bradford, who isn’t exactly tearing up the NFL(to be fair he has terrible talent around him aside from Jackson), and is a papercut away from being sidelined for another season, yet there is 0 reports of them preparing to take him at #2(in fact, there’s reports that if they don’t get a good enough offer they’ll just take Kalil and let him fall to CLE, which would be fuckin sweet).

I’m not saying this means RG3 is bad, but he’s not Andrew Luck.[/quote]

We’ll have to wait and see.

All I’m saying is I was at a bar last night and a guy said ‘I don’t know man, Luck just seems like he’s a smarter quarterback than Griffin…’

Stats, combine performances, and or college offensive systems aside I think this mentality has a lot to do with Luck’s hype. [/quote]

The mentality that he ran a pro offense and is thus more pro ready? Ya, how crazy, that mentality. Rational thought has not place in sports discussions, it must just be racism.
[/quote]

I said college offensive systems aside.

I will not return you sarcastic attack, I will just direct you to my previous post. [/quote]

Running a pro offense is what makes him the ‘smarter quarterback.’ That’s my point. You’re trying to throw out a qualifier because it hurts your comparison. Everyone who has spoken about Luck from a position of authority, having broken down his tape over and over again, raves about his ability to run a pro offense, his pocket presence, the way he goes through receiver progression, his at-the-line play adjustment(putting receivers in motion, calling proper hot routes and audibles); he is the complete QB package, much of which comes down to being ‘smart’(football smart).[/quote]

Not disagreeing with any of that, but I guess I wasn’t clear in the example I gave.

The guy said that aside from the qualifiers I listed. You are obviously very knowledgeable and your opinion is legit, but for the everyday fan such as the guy at the bar, his perception exists founded on other ideals.

I’m not saying everybody thinks this way, because they obviously don’t, but it’s out there.

Just as black people are rooting for RGIII (such as myself), but I will not say the fact that he comes from a spread offense is not a red flag, I just think with his tools and strong character he could really become something special, Vick with SB ring to put it bluntly.

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[quote]print wrote:
Every thread has to got harsh almost immediately anymore. You guys do realize that everyone has opinion? & it doesn’t have to end w/idiot/dumbass/ stupid & the such.

You aren’t going to be missing on either one of those 2. As I stated earlier it will all depend on the team they land with. As far as I’m concerned its all about winning. & as much as I praised Cam & he had one hell’uva yr, his team still lost.

The skins are better bet to win w/RG than Seattle is. Outside of Sea. division, Washington is built pretty good. People forget that Hankerson got hurt last yr. But when he did play he was a beast. Decent O line & a top 10 def.[/quote]

Fuck Print I dont want that kid in my division with the Cowboys, I am praying for Seattle or the Browns. So no foreskins, they need to take a chance on a 3rd developmental QB.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
DB Hasselhoff:

FTR I made the Newton-Griffin Comparison based on the spread offense and being running style QB’s and not on their bodies.

All:

Who is going to buy St. Louis’s pick? If Cleveland (Holmgren) decides to do it they’re stupid. Stupid Stupid Stupid.

They need to stay with McCoy and improve their O-line. If they move up to draft RG3, not only will they be saying “hey Hook’em McCoy, go fuck yourself,” but they’ll also be offering RG3 up for the same slaughter from teams like Pitt AND B-more, both of whom they have to play TWICE in a season.

I like to think Holmgren is smarter than that.

So who will it be?

I’m a tittering little school girl daydreaming about a tea-party with my dollies on this one. It’s going to be an interesting draft this year boys!

Also, HOW STUPID DOES OAKLAND LOOK NOW???

I mean yeah, they were pretty dumb before, but giving up that first round pick to Cinci for Palmer was not smart.

[/quote]

I say Seattle makes a sneak attack and gets RG3, but Foreskins may also.

Browns are going to trade for Flynn, then take Blackmon at 4, then a RB in bottom of 1st.[/quote]

I think seattle would be a good fit as long as they get some recievers in there for him to throw to. Pete Carrol would be a good coach for him and his development.

I don’t want him to go to Washington, that place has been a black hole for talent recently. [/quote]

Syndey Rice is a decent WR in Seattle, plus the Resurrection Williams, Golden Tate plus they have Lynch and Leon Washington. [/quote]

Beast Mode has still got it, but those recievers are serviceable, and rice is ehhhhhhhh ok.

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[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
I should probably clarify that in this year’s draft I would take Luck over RG3. Luck has that Big-Ben body combined with mobility and fantastic passing ability. I don’t usually agree with the ESPN football morons but I actually think the statement ‘once in a generation QB’ could apply to Luck. [/quote]

It’s really a toss up. It will be fun to watch how it all turns out. [/quote]

It’s really not.

Not that NFL GM’s are infallible but here’s a little ‘common sense’ test on how can’t miss Luck is vs RG3:

The Indianapolis Colts still have Peyton(and yes he can still play), and yet they aren’t even entertaining the idea of trading away the #1 or selecting RG3 instead.

The St. Louis Rams have Sam Bradford, who isn’t exactly tearing up the NFL(to be fair he has terrible talent around him aside from Jackson), and is a papercut away from being sidelined for another season, yet there is 0 reports of them preparing to take him at #2(in fact, there’s reports that if they don’t get a good enough offer they’ll just take Kalil and let him fall to CLE, which would be fuckin sweet).

I’m not saying this means RG3 is bad, but he’s not Andrew Luck.[/quote]

We’ll have to wait and see.

All I’m saying is I was at a bar last night and a guy said ‘I don’t know man, Luck just seems like he’s a smarter quarterback than Griffin…’

Stats, combine performances, and or college offensive systems aside I think this mentality has a lot to do with Luck’s hype. [/quote]

The mentality that he ran a pro offense and is thus more pro ready? Ya, how crazy, that mentality. Rational thought has not place in sports discussions, it must just be racism.
[/quote]

I said college offensive systems aside.

I will not return you sarcastic attack, I will just direct you to my previous post. [/quote]

Running a pro offense is what makes him the ‘smarter quarterback.’ That’s my point. You’re trying to throw out a qualifier because it hurts your comparison. Everyone who has spoken about Luck from a position of authority, having broken down his tape over and over again, raves about his ability to run a pro offense, his pocket presence, the way he goes through receiver progression, his at-the-line play adjustment(putting receivers in motion, calling proper hot routes and audibles); he is the complete QB package, much of which comes down to being ‘smart’(football smart).[/quote]

Not disagreeing with any of that, but I guess I wasn’t clear in the example I gave.

The guy said that aside from the qualifiers I listed. You are obviously very knowledgeable and your opinion is legit, but for the everyday fan such as the guy at the bar, his perception exists founded on other ideals.

I’m not saying everybody thinks this way, because they obviously don’t, but it’s out there.

Just as black people are rooting for RGIII (such as myself), but I will not say the fact that he comes from a spread offense is not a red flag, I just think with his tools and strong character he could really become something special, Vick with SB ring to put it bluntly. [/quote]

FWIW I think the kid is going to have a fantastic career. I can just see why from a GM perspective Luck is the clear cut #1. There’s no such thing as a ‘no risk’ draft pick(the closest thing is a beast left tackle, even the ‘worst’ of the top tier ones drafted in recent years were serviceable starters), but Luck seems to be toeing that line. RG3 appears to have all the makings of a great QB, but there’s more of a burden of transitioning to the NFL for him.

The kid absolutely killed it in his interviews though, anyone who thinks he isn’t intelligent in general(now not talking just football IQ) is crazy. He comes off as very well spoken and confident, and has actually won me over as a Browns fan that was secretly hoping we didn’t get him so we could take Blackmon instead.

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[quote]red04 wrote:
There’s no such thing as a ‘no risk’ draft pick(the closest thing is a beast left tackle.[/quote]

Tony Mandarich
Robert Gallery

Only two I can think of. You have a point.

And you guys hit the jackpot with Joe Thomas. Dude is a real standout and overall pretty healthy still.

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:
There’s no such thing as a ‘no risk’ draft pick(the closest thing is a beast left tackle.[/quote]

Tony Mandarich
Robert Gallery

Only two I can think of. You have a point.

And you guys hit the jackpot with Joe Thomas. Dude is a real standout and overall pretty healthy still.

[/quote]

Jason Smith, left tackle from Baylor that went to the Rams

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Randall Cunningham.

No fucking doubt.[/quote]

My dad called that as well, said RGIII is the second coming of Randall without the character isssues at the beginning of his career.

I’d draft RGIII over Luck any day. He’s gonna be the truth, y’all just wait and see. [/quote]

You should have been here last year. I talked about how Cam Newton would be the no.1 pick and deserved to be the no.1 pick and was ultimately going to be a star in the NFL. This was before clowns like Mel Kiper and the other dweeb on ESPN had him no.1 on their board and everyone was saying how he wouldn’t be able to adjust to the NFL game. And what’s more, I was talking up Newton even though I vehemently dislike the SEC.

Also Z-Mo - don’t publicly announce you’re a Mike Vick fan, you’ll get Sandusky-like vilification by some of the ‘T-Nation NFL guys’ on here.[/quote]

#1 I am a Cowboys fan and basically do not like anyone on the Eagles.
#2 You get shit cause you pop into the NFL thread post garbage and then bounce. You refuse to even consider or talk about the true aspect of the game.
#3 AGAIN like has been said, this is not a race thing its proven facts, no Running QB has won a SB. Young had to become an elite pocket passer to get it.
#4 The NFL brand has grown on what its demographic is established on, it has been on the fore front of business development. The NBA is now trying to follow the NFL model due to its success.

Vick is a polarizing figure and he took his status and money for granted. Men who work hard for a living to provide for their families cant help but be resentful for what he has received. That is aside from his total lack of humanity in what he did to the dogs. As a football QB he has the track record to show that while he flashes he will never in all likely hood get a SB ring. He cant stay healthy and play a 16 game season, and his sack ratio’s, completion % and pocket presence leaves a ton to be desired.

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I am in no way a Bronco Fan but if you are talking about running QBs who won a Super Bowl you have to include John Elway. His ability to be a running threat is what allowed him to be an effective passer even though he did not have any great WR or TE until Sharp came along.

Having the ability to run just makes you that more of a threat. RGIII has that ability. No one can say who is going to be the better QB. Look at how Ryan Leaf flopped. Several College QBS did very well in the college game but failed to make the transition to the NFL.

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if Young and Elway learned to stay in the pocket and only run when needed why can’t RGIII? everyone said Newton wouldn’t be any good because of the system he came out of and he’ll always run first.
some players adjust some don’t. they say Case Kenum won’t be any good because of the system he played in and he’s not tall enough. it’s the same sys as RGIII and he reminds a lot of people of Drew Brees only taller. he also read defenses and changed plays at the line. won’t be a 1st rd pick but he has ability.
Terry Bradshaw said that the way they judge players today he would have been a 4th rd pick. 4 SB rings.

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[quote]silverblood wrote:
if Young and Elway learned to stay in the pocket and only run when needed why can’t RGIII? everyone said Newton wouldn’t be any good because of the system he came out of and he’ll always run first.
some players adjust some don’t. they say Case Kenum won’t be any good because of the system he played in and he’s not tall enough. it’s the same sys as RGIII and he reminds a lot of people of Drew Brees only taller. he also read defenses and changed plays at the line. won’t be a 1st rd pick but he has ability.
Terry Bradshaw said that the way they judge players today he would have been a 4th rd pick. 4 SB rings. [/quote]

He was also on amazing teams.

Just cause you’re the QB doesn’t mean you’re the only reason you win, but you can be the only reason you lose.

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[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Randall Cunningham.

No fucking doubt.[/quote]

My dad called that as well, said RGIII is the second coming of Randall without the character isssues at the beginning of his career.

I’d draft RGIII over Luck any day. He’s gonna be the truth, y’all just wait and see. [/quote]

You should have been here last year. I talked about how Cam Newton would be the no.1 pick and deserved to be the no.1 pick and was ultimately going to be a star in the NFL. This was before clowns like Mel Kiper and the other dweeb on ESPN had him no.1 on their board and everyone was saying how he wouldn’t be able to adjust to the NFL game. And what’s more, I was talking up Newton even though I vehemently dislike the SEC.

Also Z-Mo - don’t publicly announce you’re a Mike Vick fan, you’ll get Sandusky-like vilification by some of the ‘T-Nation NFL guys’ on here.[/quote]

#1 I am a Cowboys fan and basically do not like anyone on the Eagles.
#2 You get shit cause you pop into the NFL thread post garbage and then bounce. You refuse to even consider or talk about the true aspect of the game.
#3 AGAIN like has been said, this is not a race thing its proven facts, no Running QB has won a SB. Young had to become an elite pocket passer to get it.
#4 The NFL brand has grown on what its demographic is established on, it has been on the fore front of business development. The NBA is now trying to follow the NFL model due to its success.

Vick is a polarizing figure and he took his status and money for granted. Men who work hard for a living to provide for their families cant help but be resentful for what he has received. That is aside from his total lack of humanity in what he did to the dogs. As a football QB he has the track record to show that while he flashes he will never in all likely hood get a SB ring. He cant stay healthy and play a 16 game season, and his sack ratio’s, completion % and pocket presence leaves a ton to be desired.

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I am in no way a Bronco Fan but if you are talking about running QBs who won a Super Bowl you have to include John Elway. His ability to be a running threat is what allowed him to be an effective passer even though he did not have any great WR or TE until Sharp came along.

Having the ability to run just makes you that more of a threat. RGIII has that ability. No one can say who is going to be the better QB. Look at how Ryan Leaf flopped. Several College QBS did very well in the college game but failed to make the transition to the NFL.
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Elway wasn’t a running QB, he was a QB that was good at running. A “running” QB is hard to define, really. But I would say that a running QB is a QB who automatically looks to take off running when the pocket collapses around him or the center gets shoved into his lap. Guys like Elway or Young would generally try to shift around in the pocket, even if it meant scrambling completely out of it, in an attempt to get into position to deliver the ball downfield. A “running” QB would simply take off and abandon any hope of completing a pass downfield in the face of pressure. Now, if a QB rolls away from pressure and no one’s open downfield and THEN he takes off running, that’s different.

But I wouldn’t put Elway in the category of running QB based on that criteria. We’ll see how a guy like Newton pans out. I don’t think he was ever a run-first QB in this respect. The skepticism I had about him was his work ethic and ability to be a leader. I find it hard to believe that a guy who got kicked out of college for multiple cheating infractions has what it takes to be a leader, but so far he’s proved me wrong. And let’s be honest; he was a losing QB this year and he kind of tapered off toward the end of the season. So I don’t think he’s relevant at all to this conversation. QB’s are drafted to win games, not put up huge numbers. I’m not saying he can’t do that, but he hasn’t so far. So it’s pointless to sit here and say that RG3 could be good in the NFL because Cam Newton made the adjustment really well. I’m sure RG3 will be a good QB, but he’s going to be the #2 pick overall. He’d getting drafted to be the leader of the team and win games, not put up big numbers. Trust me, probably every OC in the league right now would take a guy like Alex Smith over a guy like Mike Vick, provided this year doesn’t prove to be a fluke regarding Smith.

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RGIII because G comes before L in the alphabet…TADA! Peice of piss this draft stuff.

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[quote]fighting_fires wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:
Stats only tell a fraction of the story. Luck has played in an NFL style offense, RG3 played in a spread offense at Baylor and will have to adjust. Not that he can’t, but Luck has already proven that he can.[/quote]

Exactly what I said above you :slight_smile:

He is NFL ready.

PLUS I will pose a question.

Who was the last running QB to win the SB?[/quote]

Steve Young.

OP, I think you need to break down Rushing and Passing yards for each QB for a finer look.

40 time doesn’t matter shit. They’re literally .26 seconds apart. 1/4 second basically.

I’d say Luck is the man, but damn, lookit what Cam did last year with basically NOTHING going on around him and you can wager that wherever RG3 ends up he’ll make some noise.

Both QB’s are fine young men, educated, humble, and all kinds of competitive. With one you have nearly olympic caliber speed, with the other you’ve got three years under the best football coach in the world (Harbaugh). It’s a crapshoot.

I think a more fun conversation is who the fuck is going to buy off the #2 pick from St Louis?

I’d like to say the Redskins, but I’d also like to say Miami, Seattle, Kansas City, Arizona, and Chicago too.

We’ll see fuckers!!!

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That is the only one is Young, and he was left handed and ghey.

RG3 has great potential, but come on guys he is coming from fucking Baylor and the spread.

[/quote]

can i mention jom mcmahon here? [/quote]

You can, but who is jom? Is that Jim’s evil twin who was a running qb??

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I never considerd Elway a running QB. He was a dude with a gun that always seemed to weasle out of a sack and throw a dart for a big completion or rumble downfield…prick, yeah i’m still bitter lol. I can’t imagine how slow a 40 time he would have run. I remember seeing a docu and Elways father said that John was bowlegged as hell as a child and no way was he going to be an athlete or something to that effect, yeah right. HOF QB.

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[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Randall Cunningham.

No fucking doubt.[/quote]

My dad called that as well, said RGIII is the second coming of Randall without the character isssues at the beginning of his career.

I’d draft RGIII over Luck any day. He’s gonna be the truth, y’all just wait and see. [/quote]

You should have been here last year. I talked about how Cam Newton would be the no.1 pick and deserved to be the no.1 pick and was ultimately going to be a star in the NFL. This was before clowns like Mel Kiper and the other dweeb on ESPN had him no.1 on their board and everyone was saying how he wouldn’t be able to adjust to the NFL game. And what’s more, I was talking up Newton even though I vehemently dislike the SEC.

Also Z-Mo - don’t publicly announce you’re a Mike Vick fan, you’ll get Sandusky-like vilification by some of the ‘T-Nation NFL guys’ on here.[/quote]

#1 I am a Cowboys fan and basically do not like anyone on the Eagles.
#2 You get shit cause you pop into the NFL thread post garbage and then bounce. You refuse to even consider or talk about the true aspect of the game.
#3 AGAIN like has been said, this is not a race thing its proven facts, no Running QB has won a SB. Young had to become an elite pocket passer to get it.
#4 The NFL brand has grown on what its demographic is established on, it has been on the fore front of business development. The NBA is now trying to follow the NFL model due to its success.

Vick is a polarizing figure and he took his status and money for granted. Men who work hard for a living to provide for their families cant help but be resentful for what he has received. That is aside from his total lack of humanity in what he did to the dogs. As a football QB he has the track record to show that while he flashes he will never in all likely hood get a SB ring. He cant stay healthy and play a 16 game season, and his sack ratio’s, completion % and pocket presence leaves a ton to be desired.

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I am in no way a Bronco Fan but if you are talking about running QBs who won a Super Bowl you have to include John Elway. His ability to be a running threat is what allowed him to be an effective passer even though he did not have any great WR or TE until Sharp came along.

Having the ability to run just makes you that more of a threat. RGIII has that ability. No one can say who is going to be the better QB. Look at how Ryan Leaf flopped. Several College QBS did very well in the college game but failed to make the transition to the NFL.
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When did Elway win his SB’s? When he was approaching the end of his career and had to sit back in the pocket and be a passer. Plus he had a hell of an arm, he was not a running QB in my eyes, he was a scrambling QB.

I also agree 100% about no crystal ball. My approach and thought process is that if I was a GM sitting here looking at money, my team, history and potential.