Where Are The Democrats WMDs?

[quote]biltritewave wrote:
she was also not undercover so there is no crime.
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/25/rove.problem.tm.tm/index.html

[i]CIA sources say Plame held highly sensitive jobs during the past two decades. In the late 1990s she was serving as an NOC, working as an analyst with Brewster-Jennings & Associates, a CIA front company that has been shut down. “She was pretty and had brains and ambition and loyalty,” says a former clandestine officer who worked with her. “Everything was there.” But in 1997 she moved back to Washington. The New York Times has reported that the CIA feared that her cover had been blown to the Russians by double agent Aldrich Ames. Her marriage to a high-profile former diplomat further limited her ability to fly under the radar.

She began working at CIA headquarters in Langley, assigned to the directorate of operations, the CIA’S clandestine branch that manages its human spying overseas and is one of the agency’s most secretive directorates. “NOCs aren’t supposed to come into the building,” said Fred Rustmann, a former senior CIA official and a Plame superior. “It doesn’t serve cover well. It may serve the moment. They break the rules for expediency. In Valerie’s case, she’s a bright young woman. She has some experience in nuclear proliferation.”

Thus Rove’s defenders have claimed that he can hardly be guilty of outing a spy who was effectively outed already. “She was done,” says a senior Republican Senate aide when asked whether Plame’s career had been damaged by the disclosure of her covert identity. “She’d had her two kids. She’d come back to headquarters. And how do you maintain your cover when your husband is saying, I was sent on a mission by the CIA?”

But while she may no longer have been a clandestine operative, she was still under protected status. A U.S. official told TIME that Plame was indeed considered covert for the purposes of the Intelligence Identities Protection law. And even if the leak was not illegal, intelligence officials argue, it is not defensible. “I’m beyond disgusted,” a CIA official said last week. I am especially angry about the b_______ explanations that she is not a covert agent. That is an official status, and there are lots of people in this building who are on that status. It’s not up to the Republican Party to determine when that status will end for an agent."[/i]

I have a feeling that if someone in the Clinton White House had done this, Rush and the Republican talking heads would be throwing the term treason around alot and saying that whomever did it should be hung for the offense.

[quote]Jim_Bobv2 wrote:
biltritewave wrote:
she was also not undercover so there is no crime.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/25/rove.problem.tm.tm/index.html

[i]CIA sources say Plame held highly sensitive jobs during the past two decades. In the late 1990s she was serving as an NOC, working as an analyst with Brewster-Jennings & Associates, a CIA front company that has been shut down. “She was pretty and had brains and ambition and loyalty,” says a former clandestine officer who worked with her. “Everything was there.” But in 1997 she moved back to Washington. The New York Times has reported that the CIA feared that her cover had been blown to the Russians by double agent Aldrich Ames. Her marriage to a high-profile former diplomat further limited her ability to fly under the radar.

She began working at CIA headquarters in Langley, assigned to the directorate of operations, the CIA’S clandestine branch that manages its human spying overseas and is one of the agency’s most secretive directorates. “NOCs aren’t supposed to come into the building,” said Fred Rustmann, a former senior CIA official and a Plame superior. “It doesn’t serve cover well. It may serve the moment. They break the rules for expediency. In Valerie’s case, she’s a bright young woman. She has some experience in nuclear proliferation.”

Thus Rove’s defenders have claimed that he can hardly be guilty of outing a spy who was effectively outed already. “She was done,” says a senior Republican Senate aide when asked whether Plame’s career had been damaged by the disclosure of her covert identity. “She’d had her two kids. She’d come back to headquarters. And how do you maintain your cover when your husband is saying, I was sent on a mission by the CIA?”

But while she may no longer have been a clandestine operative, she was still under protected status. A U.S. official told TIME that Plame was indeed considered covert for the purposes of the Intelligence Identities Protection law. And even if the leak was not illegal, intelligence officials argue, it is not defensible. “I’m beyond disgusted,” a CIA official said last week. I am especially angry about the b_______ explanations that she is not a covert agent. That is an official status, and there are lots of people in this building who are on that status. It’s not up to the Republican Party to determine when that status will end for an agent."[/i]

I have a feeling that if someone in the Clinton White House had done this, Rush and the Republican talking heads would be throwing the term treason around alot and saying that whomever did it should be hung for the offense.
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sorry. dont buy it. TIME can say whatever they want but every legal expert who has any knowledge of this situation has said that there is nothing illegal in what Rove did. Its all politics now whether they can claim that the president said fits with firing Rove. the legality of the issue is a moot point, other than the fact than miller still bein in jail

[quote]deanosumo wrote:
mertdawg wrote:
And can someone remind me why Clinton bombed Serbian cities?

Perhaps because the Serbs were genocidal scum?
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By the way, I met a US soldier who was part of a team who’s job it was to dig up one of the “supposed” mass graves of the genocide you describe. He told me that they found a) one layer of murdered Albanians and b) 10+ layers of Serbs who had been murdered during various Moslem invasions over the centuries. He said that after that they stopped looking for “mass graves”

[quote]mertdawg wrote:
deanosumo wrote:
mertdawg wrote:
And can someone remind me why Clinton bombed Serbian cities?

Perhaps because the Serbs were genocidal scum?

By the way, I met a US soldier who was part of a team who’s job it was to dig up one of the “supposed” mass graves of the genocide you describe. He told me that they found a) one layer of murdered Albanians and b) 10+ layers of Serbs who had been murdered during various Moslem invasions over the centuries. He said that after that they stopped looking for “mass graves”

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The killings were real. I have seen the pictures and read the books. It was bad news.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
mertdawg wrote:
deanosumo wrote:
mertdawg wrote:
And can someone remind me why Clinton bombed Serbian cities?

Perhaps because the Serbs were genocidal scum?

By the way, I met a US soldier who was part of a team who’s job it was to dig up one of the “supposed” mass graves of the genocide you describe. He told me that they found a) one layer of murdered Albanians and b) 10+ layers of Serbs who had been murdered during various Moslem invasions over the centuries. He said that after that they stopped looking for “mass graves”

The killings were real. I have seen the pictures and read the books. It was bad news.[/quote]

All sides commited atrocities, but the Serbs certainly commited the most. Yes, the Serbs had been victims of Muslim invasions in the past. That still doesn’t excuse what they did in Kosovo and other places.

[quote]deanosumo wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
mertdawg wrote:
deanosumo wrote:
mertdawg wrote:
And can someone remind me why Clinton bombed Serbian cities?

Perhaps because the Serbs were genocidal scum?

By the way, I met a US soldier who was part of a team who’s job it was to dig up one of the “supposed” mass graves of the genocide you describe. He told me that they found a) one layer of murdered Albanians and b) 10+ layers of Serbs who had been murdered during various Moslem invasions over the centuries. He said that after that they stopped looking for “mass graves”

The killings were real. I have seen the pictures and read the books. It was bad news.

All sides commited atrocities, but the Serbs certainly commited the most. Yes, the Serbs had been victims of Muslim invasions in the past. That still doesn’t excuse what they did in Kosovo and other places.

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Agreed

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, Rainjack, he may not hold his fingers to the wind, but when a president gets lower scores than the guy before who got his dick sucked (a fact that Republicans won’t let go of as if that was ALL Clinton did during his term in office), you would think he would start using that weathervane.[/quote]

And commited purgery, and gave north korea the tools and technology to process nukes, and lied to the American people, and sent jobs out of the country (do you realize the berets our soldiers wear were made in China? WTF!), and ended the longest economic boom in US history (remember the 1993 tax deal?), and was too much of a pussy to nab bin laden when he had the chance, and made us look at his carpet munching cunt of a wife for eight years.

But hey, he had charisma.

[quote]biltritewave wrote:
sorry. dont buy it. TIME can say whatever they want but every legal expert who has any knowledge of this situation has said that there is nothing illegal in what Rove did. Its all politics now whether they can claim that the president said fits with firing Rove. the legality of the issue is a moot point, other than the fact than miller still bein in jail
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But I guess the part about how the intelligence communitee was POd by the whole thing doesn’t matter.

Nor, that the leak exposed how the US sets up fronts for their NOCs shouldn’t matter, either.

Trust me, if this had been leaked by a Dem you can bet your bottom dollar that Rush and the rest of the Right Wing spin machine would be throwing terms like “America haters” and “treason” and every other one of their favorite “bad American” buzzwords around all over the place.

But when Rove does something it’s OK.

Uh huh…

I also love the backpeddling that the Bushies are doing.

They were POd about the leak when it first happened. But now that they find out where it started from it’s not that big a deal.

But Bush isn’t a flip flopper…

[quote]Professor X wrote:
swabby wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Also, Rainjack, he may not hold his fingers to the wind, but when a president gets lower scores than the guy before who got his dick sucked (a fact that Republicans won’t let go of as if that was ALL Clinton did during his term in office), you would think he would start using that weathervane.

Why are you so fascinated with bill clintions dick?

That was so witty. I mean, seriously, how you took what I wrote, focused on the word “dick” and then stated your next post in a question regarding why I am so interested in a past president’s genitals. That was near brilliant.

I mean, that just came to you so quickly. “Why are you so fascinated with bill clintons dick?” Perfection. You didn’t even capitalize his name or use an apostrophe after “clinton”. That made it so “off the hip” as if it just came to you in a second. I must say, that was absolutely stunning.

I mean, could you do that again…you know, make a comment about his genetalia one more time? I am sure that it has not been done nearly enough. Good Gawd, that was smart. It just came to you just like that. Wow.[/quote]

Read ProfX’s reply in stewies voice, makes it that much better!

V

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
deanosumo wrote:

Clinton revamped the military, putting more emphasis on special forces units, in training and technology, than ever before.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. HAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh sorry, you weren’t trying to be funny, were you?? RLTW

rangertab75

[quote]rangertab75 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
deanosumo wrote:

Clinton revamped the military, putting more emphasis on special forces units, in training and technology, than ever before.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. HAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh sorry, you weren’t trying to be funny, were you?? RLTW

rangertab75

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Dude, don’t leave my name on the top of that quote!

I pointed out that Clinton slashed the military 40%.