What Would Reagan Have Done?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]nephorm wrote:
Regarding the AIDS “crisis”:

AIDS is a preventable disease, unlike breast cancer, lupus, alzheimer’s, and a very long list of other horrific diseases. The people suffering from these non-preventable diseases could benefit greatly from the man-power, funding, and public attention that has been given (for years) to AIDS. There is no “epidemic.” There is no crisis. It’s simply a syndrome that has been politicized (by right and left) and overblown. I’m not saying it shouldn’t have gotten any attention, but it certainly has gotten way more than necessary or warranted.[/quote]

Tell that to Africa.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Lol wow Reagan ended the cold war huh? What about those, uh, Russians…who actually overthrew the government…hahahahhahahahhahahahahahaha Gotta love Reagan guys.

Hey did you know Reagan invented the light bulb to? That “Edison” thing was just a vast left wing conspiracy against Conservative inventors. [/quote]

You need to read a book; any book. Truth be told, the Great Pope John Paul II did a lot of the work and let Reagan orchestrate it due to his skillful abilities.

(Shaking head in fear that our youth, you, are our future.)

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Keep doing your cyber head nodding BS bud. I am crying in shame.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
We have brought democracy to two of the vilest regimes on the planet. We are fighting and killing the terrorists on foreign soil not ours.

Before you hurt yourself while patting yourself on the back, you may want to wait and see what actually happens in those countries.[/quote]

When did he start patting himself on the back or somehow contend that the situation in Afghanistan or Iraq was risk-free and easy?

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[quote]harris447 wrote:
Tell that to Africa.

So now the overburdened taxpayer is suppossed to take care of the Africans too? We’re already taking care of people in this country who engage in perverted behavior – now we have to carry the whole damn planet, I suppose?

What if I don’t want to? What if the victims here simply refused to pay any more for this nonsense? What will YOU do when the people who built and support this country simply say NO? Watch for the day when your claim on the earnings of others comes back marked ‘Account Overdrawn’. (Kudos to Ayn Rand for the last one!)

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Lol wow Reagan ended the cold war huh? What about those, uh, Russians…who actually overthrew the government…hahahahhahahahhahahahahahaha Gotta love Reagan guys.

Hey did you know Reagan invented the light bulb to? That “Edison” thing was just a vast left wing conspiracy against Conservative inventors. [/quote]

Yeah, a fat old drunk named Yeltsin brought down the Soviet Union.
“Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!” That had no effect.
Say Ronald Wilson Reagan with respect.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Keep doing your cyber head nodding BS bud. I am crying in shame.[/quote]

I’m not your “bud”, and stop you’re damn cryin’. That’s your problem.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Lol wow Reagan ended the cold war huh? What about those, uh, Russians…who actually overthrew the government…hahahahhahahahhahahahahahaha Gotta love Reagan guys.

Hey did you know Reagan invented the light bulb to? That “Edison” thing was just a vast left wing conspiracy against Conservative inventors. [/quote]

Please explain to me the arms race of the 80’s and how that did not impact things. Also you would be able to explain away the star wars program as something that had no real impact on that time and era.

The government colapsed because it could not afford to keep up anymore. There is no one american who fought harder during their life aganist the communist regime than Reagan.

Spare me the sarcasm. I would prefer you had facts rather than ignorant assertions, with no formal basis.

You claimed He did nothing, but offered no proof to back up your claim.

Rather than have a discussion about Reagan and the cold war you spout of nonsense, And say that is must have been the people who over threw the government. If that is the case then why did they not over throw Stalin or any of the other corrupt leaders of their country before?

I am waiting for a real answer not some garbage that you spout off which has nothing to do with the subject.

I also would not think too highly of Lincoln. The one great thing he did was a move to keep England out of the war nothing more.

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I am not a scholar on Reagan, and I won’t claim to be. I don’t particularly like him, as I am a left leaning Democrat, and I do think he got way too much credit for bringing down Communism. When it comes to bringing a Communist government (or any government) down, it is the people that do it. Reagan may have made them spend ridiculous amounts of money on it, and I don’t agree with that either. What it comes down to is that he tripled the debt, pissed on the lower classes (in my opinion now, calm down now), and took credit for something that had been the work of generations of men. The Soviet Union would have fallen wether Reagan was President or ALF was president; Communism doesn’t work. Period.

Secondly to the man that said that Lincoln was not the best president (or one of the best), you need your head examined. I am no scholar on Reagan, but I am one on the Civil War. To say that all Lincoln did was keep the British out of the war is a statement of pure idiocy and absolute ignorance. If you want to debate that, give me your best shot. I hate to say it, but don’t belittle the man because your from Texas and you fellas lost.

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[quote]harris447 wrote:
Tell that to Africa.
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How about you tell them to start using condoms and to stop using AIDS as a weapon. Oh wait, in the relativist world where no inhabitants of third-world countries have any responsibility for their own actions, it’s up to Western science to provide a miracle. Gotcha.

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Nephorm, they are being counseled to abstain… spreading the word about condoms is not kosher these days.

Anyhow, regardless of who should be doing what, another shining example of blaming those that are suffering, and thence washing your hands of it.

Funny how often people wash their hands of things around here by claiming people deserve what they get.

Is compassion in short supply or what? The only people anyone cares about now is me, myself and I? I can see where the downfall of the nation will come from… all the self important narcissists that let everyone else slide into oblivion, all the while wondering why the country is sliding into oblivion.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Funny how often people wash their hands of things around here by claiming people deserve what they get.
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Let’s chart the argument.
Point 1) There is no AIDS crisis.
Point 2) AIDS is preventable, and the individual has the greatest amount of control over whether or not he or she contracts it.
Point 3) Therefore, pumping money into AIDS research to the detriment of other, non-preventable diseases is backwards thinking.

Counter-point 1) Tell that to the Africans!

Counter-counter point 1) It’s just as preventable in Africa as it is in any other part of the world… and pumping money into a vaccine doesn’t solve the root of the problem, which is rampant unprotected sex.

Counter-point 2) Hey, talking about condoms isn’t kosher there!

Counter-counter point 2) Then that’s why they’re dying, isn’t it?

I never said “they deserve what they get.” In a perfect world, where we had infinite time, resources, and brainpower to study every disease and cure it, this would be a non-issue. But in the real world, where we have to make decisions about how to direct our efforts and allocate scarce resources, well, you have to do a little triage.

How would you feel if this were obesity, by the way? If there were an obesity “epidemic” sweeping through, say, the US… and there was also a large, third-world collection of countries just filled with people keeling over dead after eating too much krispy kreme? Maybe the government even put out information about “good eating habits,” but the natives got very angry about the whole thing, saying that eating healthy food was like putting a condom over their tongue. Or some such analogy. Would you want to take money away from breast cancer research to get these people gastric bypasses, or to invent a weight-loss pill?

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Nephorm, they are being counseled to abstain… spreading the word about condoms is not kosher these days.

Anyhow, regardless of who should be doing what, another shining example of blaming those that are suffering, and thence washing your hands of it.

Funny how often people wash their hands of things around here by claiming people deserve what they get.

Is compassion in short supply or what? The only people anyone cares about now is me, myself and I? I can see where the downfall of the nation will come from… all the self important narcissists that let everyone else slide into oblivion, all the while wondering why the country is sliding into oblivion.[/quote]

Well put. Thank you.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Is compassion in short supply or what? The only people anyone cares about now is me, myself and I? I can see where the downfall of the nation will come from… all the self important narcissists that let everyone else slide into oblivion, all the while wondering why the country is sliding into oblivion.[/quote]

or the nation falls into oblivion because it has so much compassion that it cares more about others than itself and loses its own identity. US government, corporations, and citizens spend more time and money and effort into helping others than any other and possibly all other nations combined. where’s your compassion?

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[quote]nephorm wrote:
Regarding the AIDS “crisis”:

AIDS is a preventable disease, unlike breast cancer, lupus, alzheimer’s, and a very long list of other horrific diseases. The people suffering from these non-preventable diseases could benefit greatly from the man-power, funding, and public attention that has been given (for years) to AIDS. There is no “epidemic.” There is no crisis. It’s simply a syndrome that has been politicized (by right and left) and overblown. I’m not saying it shouldn’t have gotten any attention, but it certainly has gotten way more than necessary or warranted.[/quote]

So all those people dying of AIDS and it’s related diseases in Africa aren’t really there? Or is it that they are not us and therefore don’t count as far as an epidemic or crisis?

Just wondering…

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
harris447 wrote:AIDs Crisis? – Who in the hell could stop anything like that? How do you stop homos from screwing each other in a San Francisco bath house? Crock
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T-Nation’s collective intelligence just went down 50 or so points. Nice work.

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[quote]haney wrote:
Your right that ending the cold war thing had nothing to do with Reagan.

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Not that the cold war was essentially unsustainable or anything. Nope it was all about Reagan. Where’s my Ronald Reagan superhero doll?

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
harris447 wrote:
You guys are right: you’re the winners. Just tell me, when do you feel the most like a winner?

Is it when you pay over three dollars at the pump?

Is it at the funeral of a 20-year-old kid who died in a war that didn’t need to be fought?

Is it when you look at the scarred face of downtown New York?

Is it when a US city dies, partly because the President appointed incompent cronies?

Is it when the administration outs undercover CIA operatives?

Is it when a man who ran the single-worst school system in the country has the balls to call himself the ‘education presdient’?

I wish I was a winner like you guys.

Mostly, it’s the morning after watching all the election returns come in from the night before. I think specifically, it’s the first Wednesday after the first Tuesday of November in the even numbered years. At least it has been for the most part since 1994. I think that was the last time there was anything even resembling a dem-led house, or senate. Excepting the short time immediately after Jumpin Jim Jeffers pulled his little stunt giving the left a defacto majority for a couple of years.

But please. Keep up with the whiny-assed loser routine. It is very entertaining. [/quote]

RJ, do you have a tape of the returns you watch over and over again? YOu bring it up on nearly every thread, which is why I ask.

Is there really any practical difference between the Dems and Republicans any more?

Forget the lesser evil, vote for Cthulu!

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
So, you’d want Carter back, with 14% interest rates, an oil embargo, rampant inflation? You’d want that cluster-fuck in the desert when they tried to save the hostages?

Aren’t we seeing a “cluster-fuck” now?
[/quote]

Yes. Actually a number of clusterfucks.

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[quote]nephorm wrote:
vroom wrote:
Funny how often people wash their hands of things around here by claiming people deserve what they get.

Let’s chart the argument.
Point 1) There is no AIDS crisis.
Point 2) AIDS is preventable, and the individual has the greatest amount of control over whether or not he or she contracts it.
Point 3) Therefore, pumping money into AIDS research to the detriment of other, non-preventable diseases is backwards thinking.

Counter-point 1) Tell that to the Africans!

Counter-counter point 1) It’s just as preventable in Africa as it is in any other part of the world… and pumping money into a vaccine doesn’t solve the root of the problem, which is rampant unprotected sex.

Counter-point 2) Hey, talking about condoms isn’t kosher there!

Counter-counter point 2) Then that’s why they’re dying, isn’t it?

I never said “they deserve what they get.” In a perfect world, where we had infinite time, resources, and brainpower to study every disease and cure it, this would be a non-issue. But in the real world, where we have to make decisions about how to direct our efforts and allocate scarce resources, well, you have to do a little triage.

How would you feel if this were obesity, by the way? If there were an obesity “epidemic” sweeping through, say, the US… and there was also a large, third-world collection of countries just filled with people keeling over dead after eating too much krispy kreme? Maybe the government even put out information about “good eating habits,” but the natives got very angry about the whole thing, saying that eating healthy food was like putting a condom over their tongue. Or some such analogy. Would you want to take money away from breast cancer research to get these people gastric bypasses, or to invent a weight-loss pill? [/quote]

Neph,

Do you keep up with current events or anything? The Bush administration has told any country desiring American money to fight their AIDS non-crisis that they cannot distribute condoms as part of their programs.

I see that you have a truly profound understanding of the problems faced in Africa regarding reproductive rights and education and the status of women there as well. I’m sure you also think they have plenty of food and money to go around, too.

WMD