What Would of Happened if Malcom X had his Way

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Loftearmen wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]Loftearmen wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
And what choice is there for someone who is born into crime and gang culture, is given no education, has no parental role models and is never taught how to act as a child? By the time you are twelve and have been in and out of youth offender institutes you have zero chance of a job or a legitimate career path.
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You should ask AngryChicken, a man that had to deal with every one of the issues you listed yet he is one of the most successful posters on this board. [/quote]

So because one dude managed it it means every single person can? And beans saying someone at 12 who has been brought up with neglect and abuse is responsible for the actions they take at that age is insane.
I don’t get how you can basically blame a kid for not having the awareness and ability to not go down the wrong path. He isn’t getting fed at home because his junkie mum spends all the money on drugs, so he steals food. He gets bullied because he stinks and has awful torn clothes and so he gets expelled for fighting. He has no life because he has no support, no money and no education so he resorts to crime.

But of course a child should know better and should just starve and allow himself to be abused and bullied and do nothing. What a moral position to take. How can you be against abortion but have such disregard for living children?

It might be easy for some middle class white kid in the U.S with every single advantage possible, but that isn’t the environment many are in. To treat the two situations as the same is so lacking in perspective it is farcical.

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I managed it as well. I went from being expelled from school and in and out of jail for fighting and selling drugs to being a neurophysiologist and managing a chain of neurophys laboratories.

Just because someone “doesn’t have a chance” does not mean it is the taxpayer’s responsibility to pay their way. They need to take care of their own business just like I have to take care of mine. They may choose to do it the hard way but, again, that is their decision to do so.
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Well if you are going to have that line of thought be consistent. You also shouldn’t have to pay tax money for injured servicemen, they joined under their own volition and should deal with the ramifications themselves. They can’t pay for the life of care they now need? Tough shit. It was their decisions that lead to that injury. No socialised healthcare!

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That is the most misled comment in this entire thread. Service men and women knowingly put themselves in harm’s way to protect our nation and our way of life. They deserve 10 times what they are given and are not comparable at all to societal leeches.[/quote]

Nah Loftearmen, servicemen and women are just leeching off tax payers. They don’t give anything in return for a tiny paycheck, okay benefits, and shit healthcare… /sarcasm

You’ve said some pretty ridiculous things in your short time here Yamato. This one takes the cake. [/quote]

So you believe in socialised healthcare then? [/quote]

I believe in healthcare for service members and veterans as a part of defense spending.

I would consider universal healthcare for children.

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But no help for 12 year olds living in poverty. No healthcare for those leeches. [/quote]

Once again, I never said this. I’m sure you’ll just ignore me again though.

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But you support socialist healthcare for the armed forces. Sounds quite hypocritical. [/quote]

It isn’t.

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I personally support not blaming 12 year olds for living in poverty and helping them swell as supporting wounded soldiers. [/quote]

I’m legitimately stunned you do not see the difference between the two.

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But that is just me. Of course you are free to support ex military people benefiting from socialised healthcare and tax payer money they have no choice but to pay and free to say poor children in poverty should not get any.[/quote]

Yes because that is what I wrote… /sarcasm

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Although it is about the least christian stance imaginable. [/quote]

Says the non-Christian.

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Again don’t harm the unborn but let those minority 10 year olds starve. [/quote]

Yes because that is what I wrote… /sarcasm

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What moral lessons your religion has imparted on you.[/quote]

I’m trying to be cordial, but you are really starting to piss me off with this bullshit.

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And once again you bring up race for no reason…

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
And once again you bring up race for no reason…[/quote]

Yep no reason. Race has no economic connection. Thank god for that.

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[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
And once again you bring up race for no reason…[/quote]

Yep no reason. Race has no economic connection. Thank god for that.[/quote]

His argument is not that there is no correlation between race and socioeconomics. Rather, our argument is that there need not be a correlation between them. The direct correlation is with behavior; the indirect correlation is with socioeconomic standing as a result of those behaviors.

I am white and will be conduction job interviews all day today and tomorrow for a front desk position. Anyone who shows up on time to the interview, presents themselves well, is friendly and personable and who has the necessary experience will be considered for the job. I will meet with black people, white people, hispanic people and Asian people today and will hire whoever best meets the criteria regardless of their color because, quite frankly, I couldn’t care less what color they are as long as they can show up on time every day and do a good job.

Now we get to discuss the behavior correlation. My first appointment was at 8:00; it is now 8:21 and I haven’t seen or heard from that person who, from what I could tell over the phone, was black. We see this with our patients as well. Black patients tend to be late or not show up to their appointments more often than every other ethnicity and often times act like it’s not their fault that they didn’t show up when we call to reschedule. These behaviors and attitudes are what contribute to the collective lack of success of many people in the black community. This is obvious when you look at black people who do not display those behaviors and are successful. Obviously racism hasn’t held back those blacks who become doctors, attorneys, business men and women, etc… but those who are failing will often cite racism as the reason they are so unsuccessful when they really only have themselves to blame. They will make no progress until they identify the problems within their community, admit that they are the cause of those problems and take the steps to improve, period. Supporting them in the meantime only perpetuates those problems.

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[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
And once again you bring up race for no reason…[/quote]

Yep no reason. Race has no economic connection. Thank god for that.[/quote]

I wish you could see just how hard I’m rolling my eyes right now.

“Again don’t harm the unborn but let those minority 10 year olds starve”

I guess if you’re white you’re somehow immune to starvation…

I have always contended on here that poverty in America, as oxymoronic as the terms use here is, is a socio-economic issue in America. It is not a race issue.

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[quote]Loftearmen wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Loftearmen wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]Loftearmen wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
And what choice is there for someone who is born into crime and gang culture, is given no education, has no parental role models and is never taught how to act as a child? By the time you are twelve and have been in and out of youth offender institutes you have zero chance of a job or a legitimate career path.
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You should ask AngryChicken, a man that had to deal with every one of the issues you listed yet he is one of the most successful posters on this board. [/quote]

So because one dude managed it it means every single person can? And beans saying someone at 12 who has been brought up with neglect and abuse is responsible for the actions they take at that age is insane.
I don’t get how you can basically blame a kid for not having the awareness and ability to not go down the wrong path. He isn’t getting fed at home because his junkie mum spends all the money on drugs, so he steals food. He gets bullied because he stinks and has awful torn clothes and so he gets expelled for fighting. He has no life because he has no support, no money and no education so he resorts to crime.

But of course a child should know better and should just starve and allow himself to be abused and bullied and do nothing. What a moral position to take. How can you be against abortion but have such disregard for living children?

It might be easy for some middle class white kid in the U.S with every single advantage possible, but that isn’t the environment many are in. To treat the two situations as the same is so lacking in perspective it is farcical.

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I managed it as well. I went from being expelled from school and in and out of jail for fighting and selling drugs to being a neurophysiologist and managing a chain of neurophys laboratories.

Just because someone “doesn’t have a chance” does not mean it is the taxpayer’s responsibility to pay their way. They need to take care of their own business just like I have to take care of mine. They may choose to do it the hard way but, again, that is their decision to do so.
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Well if you are going to have that line of thought be consistent. You also shouldn’t have to pay tax money for injured servicemen, they joined under their own volition and should deal with the ramifications themselves. They can’t pay for the life of care they now need? Tough shit. It was their decisions that lead to that injury. No socialised healthcare!

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That is the most misled comment in this entire thread. Service men and women knowingly put themselves in harm’s way to protect our nation and our way of life. They deserve 10 times what they are given and are not comparable at all to societal leeches.[/quote]

Nah Loftearmen, servicemen and women are just leeching off tax payers. They don’t give anything in return for a tiny paycheck, okay benefits, and shit healthcare… /sarcasm

You’ve said some pretty ridiculous things in your short time here Yamato. This one takes the cake. [/quote]

So you believe in socialised healthcare then? But no help for 12 year olds living in poverty. No healthcare for those leeches. But you support socialist healthcare for the armed forces. Sounds quite hypocritical.

I personally support not blaming 12 year olds for living in poverty and helping them swell as supporting wounded soldiers. But that is just me. Of course you are free to support ex military people benefiting from socialised healthcare and tax payer money they have no choice but to pay and free to say poor children in poverty should not get any.

Although it is about the least christian stance imaginable. Again don’t harm the unborn but let those minority 10 year olds starve. What moral lessons your religion has imparted on you.[/quote]

This is equally ridiculous to your previous statement. No one here has said anything about letting 10 year olds starve. I don’t believe anyone in this thread would agree that is the right thing to do AT ALL. Yet, since you have no real support to your ridiculous claims that since we support our men and women in uniform that we must also support societal leeches and socialized healthcare, you resort to hyperbole; once again proving your ignorance on the matter.
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Yup.

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Seeing as someone above referred to them as leeches it seems some people might actually have that stance. Also beans arguing 12 year olds are responsible for their shit situation and it is directly because of their decisions is borderline psychotic.

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[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
Also beans arguing 12 year olds are responsible for their shit situation and it is directly because of their decisions is borderline psychotic.[/quote]

I just read what he wrote a page back and I think you should too. I fail to see where he said 12 year old’s are responsible for their shirt situation. You went straight off the deep end on this one and I have no idea why.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
Also beans arguing 12 year olds are responsible for their shit situation and it is directly because of their decisions is borderline psychotic.[/quote]

I just read what he wrote a page back and I think you should too. I fail to see where he said 12 year old’s are responsible for their shirt situation. You went straight off the deep end on this one and I have no idea why. [/quote]

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[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
Also beans arguing 12 year olds are responsible for their shit situation and it is directly because of their decisions is borderline psychotic.[/quote]

I just read what he wrote a page back and I think you should too. I fail to see where he said 12 year old’s are responsible for their shirt situation. You went straight off the deep end on this one and I have no idea why. [/quote]
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Did they not teach you what question marks are used for at school?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
Also beans arguing 12 year olds are responsible for their shit situation and it is directly because of their decisions is borderline psychotic.[/quote]

I just read what he wrote a page back and I think you should too. I fail to see where he said 12 year old’s are responsible for their shirt situation. You went straight off the deep end on this one and I have no idea why. [/quote]
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Did they not teach you what question marks are used for at school? [/quote]

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Really, I just want Loft, Brick and Leatherneck as my neighbors. I bet you guys all have nice lawns and you probably don’t let your dogs run all over the place.

I wouldn’t expect you guys to raise my theoretical kids, but I think that you would be a positive influence on “them”, just going about your business.

Also, I would want to eat the food of the Asians. They have restaurants, and would serve me, right? They don’t have to feed me for free or anything.

Violence and even the ominous, non-specific threat of violence are obviously terrible and we shouldn’t excuse those behaviors. But being in the planning field, I just want to believe we can do something, pre-emptive to stop these kinds of things. I know its not always realistic.

But I plan my training.
I plan my diet.
We plan ahead to increase productivity at the farm.
You use blue prints when you build something.

It just seems natural to plan the way the city would develop.

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[quote]FlatsFarmer wrote:
Really, I just want Loft, Brick and Leatherneck as my neighbors. I bet you guys all have nice lawns and you probably don’t let your dogs run all over the place.

I wouldn’t expect you guys to raise my theoretical kids, but I think that you would be a positive influence on “them”, just going about your business. [/quote]

Thanks. I wouldn’t mind getting to know someone like you either.

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Also, I would want to eat the food of the Asians. They have restaurants, and would serve me, right? They don’t have to feed me for free or anything.[/quote]

Stop by Flushing, Queens, sometime. You will think you’re in Asia. I go there for Korean BBQ all the time.

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Violence and even the ominous, non-specific threat of violence are obviously terrible and we shouldn’t excuse those behaviors. But being in the planning field, I just want to believe we can do something, pre-emptive to stop these kinds of things. I know its not always realistic.[/quote]

I am not trying to argue with you, but it usually is unrealistic.

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But I plan my training.
I plan my diet.
We plan ahead to increase productivity at the farm.
You use blue prints when you build something.[/quote]

This is far, far simpler than herding together masses of human beings, millions of them, all with different races, languages, desires, lifestyles, beliefs, norms, religions, and yes, ABILITIES, and then praying for a peaceful and stable outcome.

It just seems that all sorts of planners and world changers throughout time can’t be bothered with thinking of real outcomes and think PEOPLE don’t matter.

You can purchase food, prepare it, and eat. You go to a gym and lift weights. The outcome is predictable. Maybe not as good as you want to, but you will get some desired effect. You can build a non-living thing based off of a blueprint. You choose who works on your farm and what you will do to expand business. These things are far different than dealing with enormous masses of people.

Did you ever think of it like that? Seriously. Not being a wiseass here. Just think of what happens, and all the historical incidents in which different kinds of thousands or millions of people were forced together.

See: it SEEMS that way.

I appreciate your posts and I enjoy speaking with you, and I understand this can go in god knows how many directions. It’s just a topic of I’ve thought of from time to time.

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There have definetly been plenty of mistakes made in the field. I guess especially in the northeast. The strong-mayor government can lead to lots of back and forth, conflicting policies. Often just poorly considered reactions to prior messed up decisions.

Down here, things go a little slower. 100 years ago, my town was like a post office at a railroad crossing. We really just try to attract new industry and tourism, and protect our natural resources. To make the abstract more concrete…

Bass Pro Shop, a big national retailer wants to come to the area. We’re near the Nascar track, so rednecks come from miles around. Now Bass Pro doesn’t care exactly where they locate, but its got to be right off the highway, right near the exit. New development in town has been northward. The south side of town is kind of filtering down.

The easiest thing is to give Bass Pro a tax abatement and let them break new ground at the next northbound exit. When they build their “anchor” there is a 100% chance one of the local developers will build a strip mall next to it. Next will probably come the yuppie grocery store (fresh market/whole foods). Or something similar.

Since we’re in effect paying a national business to come into town, we may as well try to get them to the south end of town. Maybe they can even refurbish an abondoned commercial site or something. Now they will work with us, but they will want something. Like for the town to build the parking lot, or improve the road in front of the site. To get that done, we need the local developers to partner with us, and commit to the project before hand.

We need some money, so we design a new red light and intersection, and apply to the State Dept of Transportation or Federal gov for grant money. Usually they will want the job done to above current safety/capacity standards. So we have to get the developers to buy in, while we stall Bass Pro and try to put this whole deal together.

So like a year later, maybe we finally start work on the project. Like 5 miles south of where it would have gone anyway. Now I don’t know if we really made a difference in anyone’s life or future, but its nice to see new development on the old side of town.

We’re not bussing kids around, or coming up with racial quotas or anything. Just trying to develop evenly, without sprawl, or a declining property tax rate in any one part of town.

Anyway, like you said, this is more of a general conversation than anything else. Thanks for your time, and insight. The only other info I have about Queens is from the Costanza family.

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And Tribe Called Quest and Nas.

Did you ever have a Sky Pager, or bank at Chemical Bank?

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[quote]FlatsFarmer wrote:
And Tribe Called Quest and Nas.

Did you ever have a Sky Pager, or bank at Chemical Bank?[/quote]

There are Chemical Banks in Manhattan. I never used one. Nope, didn’t have a pager. It actually took me til about 2004 to get a cell phone and I once went two years with no texting ability. :slight_smile: I still have a flip phone but will need an iPhone for certain purposes soon.

From Queens, so was Roxanne Shante, MC Shan, Run DMC, Kool G. Rap, Mobb Deep, Onyx, 50 Cent, Beatnuts, Skarhead/Crown of Thornz, Sick of it All, Ja Rule, LL Cool J, Marly Marl, Nicki Minaj, Anthrax, Bayside, Sworn Enemy, and Reagan Youth. :slight_smile:

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Good post Brick.

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Oh, and they were also not adult mafiosi, but teenagers.

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I just want to point out this little tid bit here. If one was to look at La Costra Nostra, one would likely see very strong family ties, fathers, mothers, extended family who very much looked out for each other. The entire god damn thing was built on family…

Yet, they still grew up to be violent, murderous, thieving scum…

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Anthrax! I almost forgot about those guys. Biohazard? What other New York metal bands are still around?

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White Zombie, Prong, S.O.D., Type O Negative, all from NYC? There are millions of Metal Heads running around up there?

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[quote]FlatsFarmer wrote:
White Zombie, Prong, S.O.D., Type O Negative, all from NYC? There are millions of Metal Heads running around up there?[/quote]

We have New York Hardcore (NYHC). God knows how many bands.