[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
Saying that I agree the U.S is probably the place where it is most likely to occur.[/quote]
Everyone has choices. Your friend born in poverty made his. It isn’t society’s fault, it is his fault. He made his choice, no one else did.
And you obviously need to look around more. India, China, Cuba, N. Korea, any shithole ME country…
Bitch please with this “oppressive poverty” in the US. Good lord what a shit post.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
Saying that I agree the U.S is probably the place where it is most likely to occur.[/quote]
Everyone has choices. Your friend born in poverty made his. It isn’t society’s fault, it is his fault. He made his choice, no one else did.
And you obviously need to look around more. India, China, Cuba, N. Korea, any shithole ME country…
Bitch please with this “oppressive poverty” in the US. Good lord what a shit post. [/quote]
You misread my post. I indicated it was most likely for someone to overcome poverty in the U.S. Not that they were more likely to be poor in the U.S. But in your rush to slam me you didn’t get that.
And what choice is there for someone who is born into crime and gang culture, is given no education, has no parental role models and is never taught how to act as a child? By the time you are twelve and have been in and out of youth offender institutes you have zero chance of a job or a legitimate career path.
Or should 12 year olds somehow know how to ascend their environment and if they can’t it is their fault? Not everyone in poverty was a victim of circumstance but to deny some are is being blind to the reality of the world.
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
And what choice is there for someone who is born into crime and gang culture, is given no education, has no parental role models and is never taught how to act as a child? By the time you are twelve and have been in and out of youth offender institutes you have zero chance of a job or a legitimate career path.
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You should ask AngryChicken, a man that had to deal with every one of the issues you listed yet he is one of the most successful posters on this board.
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
Saying that I agree the U.S is probably the place where it is most likely to occur.[/quote]
Everyone has choices. Your friend born in poverty made his. It isn’t society’s fault, it is his fault. He made his choice, no one else did.
And you obviously need to look around more. India, China, Cuba, N. Korea, any shithole ME country…
Bitch please with this “oppressive poverty” in the US. Good lord what a shit post. [/quote]
You misread my post. I indicated it was most likely for someone to overcome poverty in the U.S. Not that they were more likely to be poor in the U.S. But in your rush to slam me you didn’t get that.[/quote]
Fair enough, my bad.
Seek an education
Look around for some?
Plenty of rich people suffer from this too and seem to do fine.
All the result of choices one has made.
Who’s fault is it then? Mine? Yours? Who’s? Be specific.
[quote] Not everyone in poverty was a victim of circumstance but to deny some are is being blind to the reality of the world.
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You’ll never see me say life is fair, kind, nice, easy or in anyway what a human would create if given the chance.
Doesn’t mean people aren’t the product of their choices in the end.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
And what choice is there for someone who is born into crime and gang culture, is given no education, has no parental role models and is never taught how to act as a child? By the time you are twelve and have been in and out of youth offender institutes you have zero chance of a job or a legitimate career path.
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You should ask AngryChicken, a man that had to deal with every one of the issues you listed yet he is one of the most successful posters on this board. [/quote]
Whom is proof positive that a youthful mistake doesn’t preclude one from gainful employment.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
And what choice is there for someone who is born into crime and gang culture, is given no education, has no parental role models and is never taught how to act as a child? By the time you are twelve and have been in and out of youth offender institutes you have zero chance of a job or a legitimate career path.
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You should ask AngryChicken, a man that had to deal with every one of the issues you listed yet he is one of the most successful posters on this board. [/quote]
So because one dude managed it it means every single person can? And beans saying someone at 12 who has been brought up with neglect and abuse is responsible for the actions they take at that age is insane.
I don’t get how you can basically blame a kid for not having the awareness and ability to not go down the wrong path. He isn’t getting fed at home because his junkie mum spends all the money on drugs, so he steals food. He gets bullied because he stinks and has awful torn clothes and so he gets expelled for fighting. He has no life because he has no support, no money and no education so he resorts to crime.
But of course a child should know better and should just starve and allow himself to be abused and bullied and do nothing. What a moral position to take. How can you be against abortion but have such disregard for living children?
It might be easy for some middle class white kid in the U.S with every single advantage possible, but that isn’t the environment many are in. To treat the two situations as the same is so lacking in perspective it is farcical.
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
And what choice is there for someone who is born into crime and gang culture, is given no education, has no parental role models and is never taught how to act as a child? By the time you are twelve and have been in and out of youth offender institutes you have zero chance of a job or a legitimate career path.
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You should ask AngryChicken, a man that had to deal with every one of the issues you listed yet he is one of the most successful posters on this board. [/quote]
So because one dude managed it it means every single person can? And beans saying someone at 12 who has been brought up with neglect and abuse is responsible for the actions they take at that age is insane.
I don’t get how you can basically blame a kid for not having the awareness and ability to not go down the wrong path. He isn’t getting fed at home because his junkie mum spends all the money on drugs, so he steals food. He gets bullied because he stinks and has awful torn clothes and so he gets expelled for fighting. He has no life because he has no support, no money and no education so he resorts to crime.
But of course a child should know better and should just starve and allow himself to be abused and bullied and do nothing. What a moral position to take. How can you be against abortion but have such disregard for living children?
It might be easy for some middle class white kid in the U.S with every single advantage possible, but that isn’t the environment many are in. To treat the two situations as the same is so lacking in perspective it is farcical.
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Please note you filled in my argument with a whole bunch of conjecture and assumptions. You literally are a shit poster of the highest order. I can’t wait until this screen name gets banned like all the rest have.
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
And what choice is there for someone who is born into crime and gang culture, is given no education, has no parental role models and is never taught how to act as a child? By the time you are twelve and have been in and out of youth offender institutes you have zero chance of a job or a legitimate career path.
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You should ask AngryChicken, a man that had to deal with every one of the issues you listed yet he is one of the most successful posters on this board. [/quote]
So because one dude managed it it means every single person can? [/quote]
It’s one of thousands of examples and means every single person has the opportunity to.
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And beans saying someone at 12 who has been brought up with neglect and abuse is responsible for the actions they take at that age is insane. [/quote]
I didn’t read what Beans wrote; however, at some point people have to be held responsible for their actions regardless of their up bringing. I’m not sure I’d agree that 12 is the age and I wouldn’t agree to a blanket age anyway.
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I don’t get how you can basically blame a kid for not having the awareness and ability to not go down the wrong path. [/quote]
I didn’t.
This is where common sense should come into play as well as social services.
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He gets bullied because he stinks and has awful torn clothes and so he gets expelled for fighting. [/quote]
Same as above.
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He has no life because he has no support, no money and no education so he resorts to crime. [/quote]
Same as above except again at some point a person has to be held accountable for their actions.
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But of course a child should know better and should just starve and allow himself to be abused and bullied and do nothing. [/quote]
I didn’t say that.
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What a moral position to take. How can you be against abortion but have such disregard for living children? [/quote]
I don’t have a disregard for living children. At least they are alive and can take advantage of opportunities that present themselves especially in America.
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It might be easy for some middle class white kid in the U.S with every single advantage possible, but that isn’t the environment many are in. [/quote]
You have an interesting view of middle class America. It is certainly easier for a kid in the middle class to achieve; however, depending on how you define middle class they certainly do not have every single advantage possible.
I’ve no idea what color has to do with it.
Let’s not pretend you’re an authority on perspective.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
And what choice is there for someone who is born into crime and gang culture, is given no education, has no parental role models and is never taught how to act as a child? By the time you are twelve and have been in and out of youth offender institutes you have zero chance of a job or a legitimate career path.
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You should ask AngryChicken, a man that had to deal with every one of the issues you listed yet he is one of the most successful posters on this board. [/quote]
So because one dude managed it it means every single person can? And beans saying someone at 12 who has been brought up with neglect and abuse is responsible for the actions they take at that age is insane.
I don’t get how you can basically blame a kid for not having the awareness and ability to not go down the wrong path. He isn’t getting fed at home because his junkie mum spends all the money on drugs, so he steals food. He gets bullied because he stinks and has awful torn clothes and so he gets expelled for fighting. He has no life because he has no support, no money and no education so he resorts to crime.
But of course a child should know better and should just starve and allow himself to be abused and bullied and do nothing. What a moral position to take. How can you be against abortion but have such disregard for living children?
It might be easy for some middle class white kid in the U.S with every single advantage possible, but that isn’t the environment many are in. To treat the two situations as the same is so lacking in perspective it is farcical.
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Please note you filled in my argument with a whole bunch of conjecture and assumptions. You literally are a shit poster of the highest order. I can’t wait until this screen name gets banned like all the rest have.
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What a surprise you blame 12 year olds living in poverty for the situation they were born into and then instead of backing up that claim you resort to personal attacks. What does your top government scientist have to say on the matter?
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
What a surprise you blame 12 year olds living in poverty for the situation they were born into [/quote]
Assumptive conjecture.
Maybe stop filling in the gaps in my comments with your own bullshit and you’ll see it.
I’ve told you, you’ve earned every insult you get out of me. Consider them gifts.
lmao at how butthurt you are because people that are more than you think differently.
Also Brick, I hope my poorly chosen words didn’t come off as disrespect for you or your Religion or anything like that in any way.
[quote]FlatsFarmer wrote:
Also Brick, I hope my poorly chosen words didn’t come off as disrespect for you or your Religion or anything like that in any way. [/quote]
You have not disrespected me at all and your posts seem harmless to me.
I consider myself Jewish ethnically, not religiously. I have been an atheist since age eight or so. I’m also not a Jew who gives other Jews a pass simply because they’re Jewish, nor do I consider Jewish persecution to be unique considering others groups have been persecuted.
I do not feel comfortable “letting it all out” on a message board considering we live in a political-correctness-crazed country and heaven forbid you offend a group’s feelings, including my own.
But I’ll say this: I believe those making excuses for twelve year olds have never been victimized by violent twelve year olds or teenagers nor have they had it happen to their kids.
You see, there are people who are born losers, despite coming from loser parents or winner parents. Big cities tend to produce a never ending supply of devious and violent people, even many that were born into normal middle-class families and towns with low crime rates.
I have had few violent altercations but the first time I was ganged up upon was at age twelve by three other twelve year olds. Luckily it was broken up, but if these three kids had their way, I could have been very badly hurt. They also harassed me in school for several days after, but nothing severe came out of it past that. Do you think my parents gave a flying f— about what town these kids came from, or whether they had a mommy and daddy? Nope, they didn’t. Just as I am not going to give a flying f— about that stuff if some twelve year old physically or sexually harasses my future kids.
You see, many of us didn’t need a role model, or “community leader” to abstain from physically harming others, robbing them, dealing and doing drugs, or being delinquent from school. We just INSTINCTIVELY knew to follow rules. I grew up without a dad for most of my, and when he was present physically, he was “out to lunch”, a completely negligent husband and father. Yet I still knew there are these things in life called RULES, whether they are written or spoken or not. And when you don’t follow the rules, bad things happen.
The last time I had a scary altercation was in high school in a confrontation with three (what a lucky number and fair play) other teenagers. Now this was scarier for me than the first altercation. I was walking home on a cold winter day and things were dead outside. I forgot what I was doing around school late, maybe about 4:00 PM, but I was by myself. One kid walks towards me (I didn’t see who was waiting further down the street, and this was obviously a way to trick me from seeing that I was outnumbered) and as he is past me, asks, “Hey, can I get a dollar?” I turned back and replied “Nah.” As I turn my head and walk about one step forward I am surround by three people, all bigger and taller than me, who ask for my money. I was a skinny, 5’10", fifteen year old, from a peaceful background and was as unfamiliar with violence and fighting as much as one can be unfamiliar. That’s actually quite a scary situation considering if I dare even tried to fight back, who knows how bad of a beating or humiliated I could have been. It turns out that these three kids did not go to my high school and actually were on a rampage for about a week or two, robbing and beating up kids around the town and even hit a bus driver, a serious offense. I’d say, looking back on it, they were seventeen to nineteen years old.
Oh, by the way, a little detail about all three victimizers I speak of here: they were all black and most likely came from towns around Queens that lacked daddies, and all their victims were white or Jewish. Do you think the victims’ parents gave a rat’s ass about a lack of daddies or were they infuriated about what happened to their kids while they are in school or going to and from school, you know, where they are supposed to get a damn education, and above all be safe?!
I ask anyone how they’d feel if their kids were victimized by twelve year olds and if they’re going to make excuses for what were to happen to them?
Actually what I describe here is a bit mild compared to what did go on in the five boroughs in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s. There used to be a gang called the Decepticons (and some of our beloved NYC rappers were in it). You can google or You Tube them to get some NYC education. Some were as young as fourteen, you know, not so much older than twelve. Weapons of choice were ice picks, box cutters, hammers, anything to disfigure, disable, or scare the living daylights out of innocent people. Activities of choice included mass shoplifting (they cleared out quite a few ritzy department stores), robbery, and assault. If word got around that “Decepts are coming”, people were scared and some schools would have security on high alert. They managed to rob LL Cool J back in the day.
There were dozens and dozens, maybe hundreds, of such crews back in the day, and luckily I went to school when their heyday was winding down. Another group would hang at a certain spot in the city and if they so happen to like what you were wearing, you were giving it to them… or going down! Another group would hang out in the financial district on payday (I wonder why). Oh, and they were also not adult mafiosi, but teenagers.
Any plausible excuses for this shit? Would you excuse it if your kid or woman was a victim simply because these people were somehow too young or too stupid to know that you don’t slice people’s faces open for kicks or because you like their brand name jacket or because you want some money to lazy to be worked for, or that they lacked a daddy?
I speak with no hate of any people here by the way, but just provide what went on and what goes on, albeit less in NYC these days. It is a friendly challenge to some here though.
[quote]FlatsFarmer wrote:
LaGuardia and Giuliani are famous inclusive reformers, not political bosses.
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Did you notice that LaGuardia and Giuliani are the only two Republicans to run NYC in the past 100 or so years? (Do not try to tell me that Bloomberg was a Republican.)
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
And what choice is there for someone who is born into crime and gang culture, is given no education, has no parental role models and is never taught how to act as a child? By the time you are twelve and have been in and out of youth offender institutes you have zero chance of a job or a legitimate career path.
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You should ask AngryChicken, a man that had to deal with every one of the issues you listed yet he is one of the most successful posters on this board. [/quote]
So because one dude managed it it means every single person can? And beans saying someone at 12 who has been brought up with neglect and abuse is responsible for the actions they take at that age is insane.
I don’t get how you can basically blame a kid for not having the awareness and ability to not go down the wrong path. He isn’t getting fed at home because his junkie mum spends all the money on drugs, so he steals food. He gets bullied because he stinks and has awful torn clothes and so he gets expelled for fighting. He has no life because he has no support, no money and no education so he resorts to crime.
But of course a child should know better and should just starve and allow himself to be abused and bullied and do nothing. What a moral position to take. How can you be against abortion but have such disregard for living children?
It might be easy for some middle class white kid in the U.S with every single advantage possible, but that isn’t the environment many are in. To treat the two situations as the same is so lacking in perspective it is farcical.
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I managed it as well. I went from being expelled from school and in and out of jail for fighting and selling drugs to being a neurophysiologist and managing a chain of neurophys laboratories.
Just because someone “doesn’t have a chance” does not mean it is the taxpayer’s responsibility to pay their way. They need to take care of their own business just like I have to take care of mine. They may choose to do it the hard way but, again, that is their decision to do so.
[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
And what choice is there for someone who is born into crime and gang culture, is given no education, has no parental role models and is never taught how to act as a child? By the time you are twelve and have been in and out of youth offender institutes you have zero chance of a job or a legitimate career path.
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You should ask AngryChicken, a man that had to deal with every one of the issues you listed yet he is one of the most successful posters on this board. [/quote]
So because one dude managed it it means every single person can? And beans saying someone at 12 who has been brought up with neglect and abuse is responsible for the actions they take at that age is insane.
I don’t get how you can basically blame a kid for not having the awareness and ability to not go down the wrong path. He isn’t getting fed at home because his junkie mum spends all the money on drugs, so he steals food. He gets bullied because he stinks and has awful torn clothes and so he gets expelled for fighting. He has no life because he has no support, no money and no education so he resorts to crime.
But of course a child should know better and should just starve and allow himself to be abused and bullied and do nothing. What a moral position to take. How can you be against abortion but have such disregard for living children?
It might be easy for some middle class white kid in the U.S with every single advantage possible, but that isn’t the environment many are in. To treat the two situations as the same is so lacking in perspective it is farcical.
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I managed it as well. I went from being expelled from school and in and out of jail for fighting and selling drugs to being a neurophysiologist and managing a chain of neurophys laboratories.
Just because someone “doesn’t have a chance” does not mean it is the taxpayer’s responsibility to pay their way. They need to take care of their own business just like I have to take care of mine. They may choose to do it the hard way but, again, that is their decision to do so.
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Well if you are going to have that line of thought be consistent. You also shouldn’t have to pay tax money for injured servicemen, they joined under their own volition and should deal with the ramifications themselves. They can’t pay for the life of care they now need? Tough shit. It was their decisions that lead to that injury. No socialised healthcare!
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
And what choice is there for someone who is born into crime and gang culture, is given no education, has no parental role models and is never taught how to act as a child? By the time you are twelve and have been in and out of youth offender institutes you have zero chance of a job or a legitimate career path.
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You should ask AngryChicken, a man that had to deal with every one of the issues you listed yet he is one of the most successful posters on this board. [/quote]
So because one dude managed it it means every single person can? And beans saying someone at 12 who has been brought up with neglect and abuse is responsible for the actions they take at that age is insane.
I don’t get how you can basically blame a kid for not having the awareness and ability to not go down the wrong path. He isn’t getting fed at home because his junkie mum spends all the money on drugs, so he steals food. He gets bullied because he stinks and has awful torn clothes and so he gets expelled for fighting. He has no life because he has no support, no money and no education so he resorts to crime.
But of course a child should know better and should just starve and allow himself to be abused and bullied and do nothing. What a moral position to take. How can you be against abortion but have such disregard for living children?
It might be easy for some middle class white kid in the U.S with every single advantage possible, but that isn’t the environment many are in. To treat the two situations as the same is so lacking in perspective it is farcical.
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I managed it as well. I went from being expelled from school and in and out of jail for fighting and selling drugs to being a neurophysiologist and managing a chain of neurophys laboratories.
Just because someone “doesn’t have a chance” does not mean it is the taxpayer’s responsibility to pay their way. They need to take care of their own business just like I have to take care of mine. They may choose to do it the hard way but, again, that is their decision to do so.
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Well if you are going to have that line of thought be consistent. You also shouldn’t have to pay tax money for injured servicemen, they joined under their own volition and should deal with the ramifications themselves. They can’t pay for the life of care they now need? Tough shit. It was their decisions that lead to that injury. No socialised healthcare!
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That is the most misled comment in this entire thread. Service men and women knowingly put themselves in harm’s way to protect our nation and our way of life. They deserve 10 times what they are given and are not comparable at all to societal leeches.
[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
And what choice is there for someone who is born into crime and gang culture, is given no education, has no parental role models and is never taught how to act as a child? By the time you are twelve and have been in and out of youth offender institutes you have zero chance of a job or a legitimate career path.
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You should ask AngryChicken, a man that had to deal with every one of the issues you listed yet he is one of the most successful posters on this board. [/quote]
So because one dude managed it it means every single person can? And beans saying someone at 12 who has been brought up with neglect and abuse is responsible for the actions they take at that age is insane.
I don’t get how you can basically blame a kid for not having the awareness and ability to not go down the wrong path. He isn’t getting fed at home because his junkie mum spends all the money on drugs, so he steals food. He gets bullied because he stinks and has awful torn clothes and so he gets expelled for fighting. He has no life because he has no support, no money and no education so he resorts to crime.
But of course a child should know better and should just starve and allow himself to be abused and bullied and do nothing. What a moral position to take. How can you be against abortion but have such disregard for living children?
It might be easy for some middle class white kid in the U.S with every single advantage possible, but that isn’t the environment many are in. To treat the two situations as the same is so lacking in perspective it is farcical.
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I managed it as well. I went from being expelled from school and in and out of jail for fighting and selling drugs to being a neurophysiologist and managing a chain of neurophys laboratories.
Just because someone “doesn’t have a chance” does not mean it is the taxpayer’s responsibility to pay their way. They need to take care of their own business just like I have to take care of mine. They may choose to do it the hard way but, again, that is their decision to do so.
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Well if you are going to have that line of thought be consistent. You also shouldn’t have to pay tax money for injured servicemen, they joined under their own volition and should deal with the ramifications themselves. They can’t pay for the life of care they now need? Tough shit. It was their decisions that lead to that injury. No socialised healthcare!
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That is the most misled comment in this entire thread. Service men and women knowingly put themselves in harm’s way to protect our nation and our way of life. They deserve 10 times what they are given and are not comparable at all to societal leeches.[/quote]
Nah Loftearmen, servicemen and women are just leeching off tax payers. They don’t give anything in return for a tiny paycheck, okay benefits, and shit healthcare… /sarcasm
You’ve said some pretty ridiculous things in your short time here Yamato. This one takes the cake.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
And what choice is there for someone who is born into crime and gang culture, is given no education, has no parental role models and is never taught how to act as a child? By the time you are twelve and have been in and out of youth offender institutes you have zero chance of a job or a legitimate career path.
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You should ask AngryChicken, a man that had to deal with every one of the issues you listed yet he is one of the most successful posters on this board. [/quote]
So because one dude managed it it means every single person can? And beans saying someone at 12 who has been brought up with neglect and abuse is responsible for the actions they take at that age is insane.
I don’t get how you can basically blame a kid for not having the awareness and ability to not go down the wrong path. He isn’t getting fed at home because his junkie mum spends all the money on drugs, so he steals food. He gets bullied because he stinks and has awful torn clothes and so he gets expelled for fighting. He has no life because he has no support, no money and no education so he resorts to crime.
But of course a child should know better and should just starve and allow himself to be abused and bullied and do nothing. What a moral position to take. How can you be against abortion but have such disregard for living children?
It might be easy for some middle class white kid in the U.S with every single advantage possible, but that isn’t the environment many are in. To treat the two situations as the same is so lacking in perspective it is farcical.
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I managed it as well. I went from being expelled from school and in and out of jail for fighting and selling drugs to being a neurophysiologist and managing a chain of neurophys laboratories.
Just because someone “doesn’t have a chance” does not mean it is the taxpayer’s responsibility to pay their way. They need to take care of their own business just like I have to take care of mine. They may choose to do it the hard way but, again, that is their decision to do so.
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Well if you are going to have that line of thought be consistent. You also shouldn’t have to pay tax money for injured servicemen, they joined under their own volition and should deal with the ramifications themselves. They can’t pay for the life of care they now need? Tough shit. It was their decisions that lead to that injury. No socialised healthcare!
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That is the most misled comment in this entire thread. Service men and women knowingly put themselves in harm’s way to protect our nation and our way of life. They deserve 10 times what they are given and are not comparable at all to societal leeches.[/quote]
Nah Loftearmen, servicemen and women are just leeching off tax payers. They don’t give anything in return for a tiny paycheck, okay benefits, and shit healthcare… /sarcasm
You’ve said some pretty ridiculous things in your short time here Yamato. This one takes the cake. [/quote]
So you believe in socialised healthcare then? But no help for 12 year olds living in poverty. No healthcare for those leeches. But you support socialist healthcare for the armed forces. Sounds quite hypocritical.
I personally support not blaming 12 year olds for living in poverty and helping them swell as supporting wounded soldiers. But that is just me. Of course you are free to support ex military people benefiting from socialised healthcare and tax payer money they have no choice but to pay and free to say poor children in poverty should not get any.
Although it is about the least christian stance imaginable. Again don’t harm the unborn but let those minority 10 year olds starve. What moral lessons your religion has imparted on you.
[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
And what choice is there for someone who is born into crime and gang culture, is given no education, has no parental role models and is never taught how to act as a child? By the time you are twelve and have been in and out of youth offender institutes you have zero chance of a job or a legitimate career path.
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You should ask AngryChicken, a man that had to deal with every one of the issues you listed yet he is one of the most successful posters on this board. [/quote]
So because one dude managed it it means every single person can? And beans saying someone at 12 who has been brought up with neglect and abuse is responsible for the actions they take at that age is insane.
I don’t get how you can basically blame a kid for not having the awareness and ability to not go down the wrong path. He isn’t getting fed at home because his junkie mum spends all the money on drugs, so he steals food. He gets bullied because he stinks and has awful torn clothes and so he gets expelled for fighting. He has no life because he has no support, no money and no education so he resorts to crime.
But of course a child should know better and should just starve and allow himself to be abused and bullied and do nothing. What a moral position to take. How can you be against abortion but have such disregard for living children?
It might be easy for some middle class white kid in the U.S with every single advantage possible, but that isn’t the environment many are in. To treat the two situations as the same is so lacking in perspective it is farcical.
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I managed it as well. I went from being expelled from school and in and out of jail for fighting and selling drugs to being a neurophysiologist and managing a chain of neurophys laboratories.
Just because someone “doesn’t have a chance” does not mean it is the taxpayer’s responsibility to pay their way. They need to take care of their own business just like I have to take care of mine. They may choose to do it the hard way but, again, that is their decision to do so.
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Well if you are going to have that line of thought be consistent. You also shouldn’t have to pay tax money for injured servicemen, they joined under their own volition and should deal with the ramifications themselves. They can’t pay for the life of care they now need? Tough shit. It was their decisions that lead to that injury. No socialised healthcare!
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That is the most misled comment in this entire thread. Service men and women knowingly put themselves in harm’s way to protect our nation and our way of life. They deserve 10 times what they are given and are not comparable at all to societal leeches.[/quote]
Those 12 year old leeches! How many kids could of been fed, housed and given medical care if the trillions allocated to bogus wars was put into actually helping Americans, ones who serve and ones who don’t?
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
And what choice is there for someone who is born into crime and gang culture, is given no education, has no parental role models and is never taught how to act as a child? By the time you are twelve and have been in and out of youth offender institutes you have zero chance of a job or a legitimate career path.
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You should ask AngryChicken, a man that had to deal with every one of the issues you listed yet he is one of the most successful posters on this board. [/quote]
So because one dude managed it it means every single person can? And beans saying someone at 12 who has been brought up with neglect and abuse is responsible for the actions they take at that age is insane.
I don’t get how you can basically blame a kid for not having the awareness and ability to not go down the wrong path. He isn’t getting fed at home because his junkie mum spends all the money on drugs, so he steals food. He gets bullied because he stinks and has awful torn clothes and so he gets expelled for fighting. He has no life because he has no support, no money and no education so he resorts to crime.
But of course a child should know better and should just starve and allow himself to be abused and bullied and do nothing. What a moral position to take. How can you be against abortion but have such disregard for living children?
It might be easy for some middle class white kid in the U.S with every single advantage possible, but that isn’t the environment many are in. To treat the two situations as the same is so lacking in perspective it is farcical.
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I managed it as well. I went from being expelled from school and in and out of jail for fighting and selling drugs to being a neurophysiologist and managing a chain of neurophys laboratories.
Just because someone “doesn’t have a chance” does not mean it is the taxpayer’s responsibility to pay their way. They need to take care of their own business just like I have to take care of mine. They may choose to do it the hard way but, again, that is their decision to do so.
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Well if you are going to have that line of thought be consistent. You also shouldn’t have to pay tax money for injured servicemen, they joined under their own volition and should deal with the ramifications themselves. They can’t pay for the life of care they now need? Tough shit. It was their decisions that lead to that injury. No socialised healthcare!
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That is the most misled comment in this entire thread. Service men and women knowingly put themselves in harm’s way to protect our nation and our way of life. They deserve 10 times what they are given and are not comparable at all to societal leeches.[/quote]
Nah Loftearmen, servicemen and women are just leeching off tax payers. They don’t give anything in return for a tiny paycheck, okay benefits, and shit healthcare… /sarcasm
You’ve said some pretty ridiculous things in your short time here Yamato. This one takes the cake. [/quote]
So you believe in socialised healthcare then? But no help for 12 year olds living in poverty. No healthcare for those leeches. But you support socialist healthcare for the armed forces. Sounds quite hypocritical.
I personally support not blaming 12 year olds for living in poverty and helping them swell as supporting wounded soldiers. But that is just me. Of course you are free to support ex military people benefiting from socialised healthcare and tax payer money they have no choice but to pay and free to say poor children in poverty should not get any.
Although it is about the least christian stance imaginable. Again don’t harm the unborn but let those minority 10 year olds starve. What moral lessons your religion has imparted on you.[/quote]
This is equally ridiculous to your previous statement. No one here has said anything about letting 10 year olds starve. I don’t believe anyone in this thread would agree that is the right thing to do AT ALL. Yet, since you have no real support to your ridiculous claims that since we support our men and women in uniform that we must also support societal leeches and socialized healthcare, you resort to hyperbole; once again proving your ignorance on the matter.
