[quote]CLUNK wrote:
A worthy charity close to your heart. Nothing feels like a positive more than giving.
I’ve never regretted giving, even in times when I was broke myself.[/quote]
please send your contributions to the Needy Ginger Association, in the name of Edgy - we will accept your worthy charity - and even give you a nice hearty handshake!
How is that “unjust”? I can’t think of many laws more important than immigration laws so we know who is in our country, decide as a people on how many legal immigrants we want to take in, from where and so on. How is it unjust to arrest people who knowingly break the law by entering the country illegally or overstaying their visas? What? And we’ve already got such huge problems from immigration. In Europe it’s so bad even liberal left governments like Denmark have admitted what a failure multiculturalism is and starting deporting immigrants; measurably lowering their crime rates. It’s astonishing to me when I hear people saying things like deporting illegal immigrants is “unjust”. I just don’t get it. Anyway, it’s a politik thing and the left is crazy so we have to restrict political speech to PWI otherwise revolution will spread and we’ll all start rioting. So if you want to continue the discussion pick an appropriate thread or start one in the exiles’ dungeon of PWI please.
Sorry for the sidetrack there everyone. As they say, man is a political animal. Anyway, it’s not a bad idea to give yourself a thousand dollars to spend. You could get yourself a nice wool or fine linen business suit or maybe a nice leather jacket? A really nice bottle of wine to lay down if you’ve got somewhere temp and humidity controlled/suitable and stable.
Or a party? Invite some friends / relatives. Have a big BBQ with all kinds of fancy meat and wine, beer and some entertainment of some sort. I’m sure a lot of them will pitch in so you could make it a big night. I haven’t done something like that for years. Now my friends are all working all the time and married / starting families it’s hard to find time to do the big dos we used to do when we were in our early 20’s. Now it’s just dinner with a mate and his wife every other weekend and most of us have sold our motorcycles now too so we don’t do that anymore. Sorry, rambling on there.
Or…
Wizards +1.5 {-102} at the Timberwolves tonight.
They’re basically paying you to take them.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Lex iniusta non est lex[/quote]
This is the line that Severiano was feeding everyone in the Work Permits for Illegals thread.[/quote]
He probably got it from me. I’ve been quoting Cicero round these here parts and elsewhere for yonks. The spirit of individual liberty and republican government that Cicero espoused(but didn’t always practice) is the foundation upon which Montesquieu and Frederick Bastiat and the US founders formed their beliefs about government. It was in America that the spirit of individual liberty found its deepest roots. It’s a very American sentiment that Cicero was expressing.
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That’s all well and good.
My point is that Severiano was essentially saying immigrants entering America aren’t breaking any legitimate laws (They are all unjust) so illegals aren’t doing anything wrong. Everyone jumped on him.
Now you’re saying the same things in regards to taxes. [/quote]
But Severiano is speaking nonsense surely? A country has a sovereign “border” and a duty to regulate who comes and goes and the people should have representatives who fulfil their duty to protect the border and arrest and deport people who have broken the law and entered the country illegally or overstayed their visas and in most cases lied to immigration officials, on forms in writing, to border guards / LEOs etc. It’s not an “unjust” law to enforce the country’s damn immigration laws?! I don’t get what you’re saying. It’s unjust to tax the shit out of me and fund all kinds of left-wing projects and welfare and whatnot. It’s not unjust to enforce immigration law and deport criminals who are in the country illegally by their own choice. Surely?
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Severiano is definitely speaking nonsense; however, you are using the same line of reasoning. That’s what I’m pointing out. You might think, “It’s unjust to tax the shit out of me and fund all kinds of left-wing projects and welfare and whatnot,” but the bottom line is that that is the law You are doing exactly what he was doing. Justifying illegal actions.
You are missing my point SexMachine. I do not agree with Serv on immigration. I’d erect the Great Wall of America if I could.
Edit: What I wrote has zero to do with immigration. It’s about justifying ones actions.
[quote]Edgy wrote:
[quote]CLUNK wrote:
A worthy charity close to your heart. Nothing feels like a positive more than giving.
I’ve never regretted giving, even in times when I was broke myself.[/quote]
please send your contributions to the Needy Ginger Association, in the name of Edgy - we will accept your worthy charity - and even give you a nice hearty handshake![/quote]
A case of black hair dye is on its way. 
I think you are missing my point. An unjust law is unjust. To tax me unjustly is an unjust tax law. Immigration law is not unjust. If it were Severiano would be right. But he’s not right because it’s not unjust. Pretty simple and no contradictions.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I think you are missing my point. An unjust law is unjust. To tax me unjustly is an unjust tax law. Immigration law is not unjust. If it were Severiano would be right. But he’s not right because it’s not unjust. Pretty simple and no contradictions.[/quote]
You aren’t being taxed unjustly. The Congress of the United States of America passed and has upheld the income tax for quite some time now. IIRC it has been challenged at the supreme court level.
Put it like this: One of the legitimate functions of government is to enforce and protect its sovereign border and regulate traffic across the border in such as manner as to protect the nation from criminal, terrorist and foreign subversive threats and so on. It is most definitely not a legitimate function of government to tax me to pay for a Somali folk dancing instructor at the local TAFE or the diversity and cultural awareness coordinator at the department of old age services and all the rest of it.
When the government takes me money and spends it on all kinds of shite that is totally unsupported by me and most the rest of the constituency then it’s not a just law and therefore not really law at all. Frederick Bastiat wrote a short essay called “The Law” that’s really worth reading. He covered this idea that Cicero and others had expressed. You can find it online by googling. It’s only a few pages. Well worth the read and very applicable to today’s problems.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I think you are missing my point. An unjust law is unjust. To tax me unjustly is an unjust tax law. Immigration law is not unjust. If it were Severiano would be right. But he’s not right because it’s not unjust. Pretty simple and no contradictions.[/quote]
You aren’t being taxed unjustly. The Congress of the United States of America passed and has upheld the income tax for quite some time now. IIRC it has been challenged at the supreme court level. [/quote]
Firstly, I live in Australia. Secondly, the taxation legislation was crafted and is altered surreptitiously by two or three ministers and passed by mostly Labor(socialist international) administrations that I consider to be an actual hostile foreign socialist take over of the party that occurred in the 50’s. I’m not being dramatic I’m quote serious. My grandfather and his generation were Catholic unionists in the Labor Party when it was infiltrated by Soviet agents and sympathisers and the party split into an anti-Communist Labor Party and the current socialist international Labor Party. As they really are a radical socialist government thieving from me I don’t accept it. And I’m not going to accept it just because 52% of the people living here, 1/5 or more who weren’t even born here, happen to have voted for them or the radical Marxist Greens Party they recently held a tyrannical pact in the legislature and Prime Ministership that plunged the country in deep shit again like they always do. I’m not going to just sit back and let half the population rob me. I don’t believe in mob rule or demagogues and cronies taxing me to the hilt. Whatever I can clawback by any means is fair. The taxation laws are unjust.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Put it like this: One of the legitimate functions of government is to enforce and protect its sovereign border and regulate traffic across the border in such as manner as to protect the nation from criminal, terrorist and foreign subversive threats and so on. It is most definitely not a legitimate function of government to tax me to pay for a Somali folk dancing instructor at the local TAFE or the diversity and cultural awareness coordinator at the department of old age services and all the rest of it.
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I’m not arguing against any of this.
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When the government takes me money and spends it on all kinds of shite that is totally unsupported by me and most the rest of the constituency then it’s not a just law and therefore not really law at all. Frederick Bastiat wrote a short essay called “The Law” that’s really worth reading. He covered this idea that Cicero and others had expressed. You can find it online by googling. It’s only a few pages. Well worth the read and very applicable to today’s problems.[/quote]
The U.S. court system disagrees.
I’ve read “The Law” Lefticusmaximus(sp?) suggested it, which is kind of ironic.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I think you are missing my point. An unjust law is unjust. To tax me unjustly is an unjust tax law. Immigration law is not unjust. If it were Severiano would be right. But he’s not right because it’s not unjust. Pretty simple and no contradictions.[/quote]
You aren’t being taxed unjustly. The Congress of the United States of America passed and has upheld the income tax for quite some time now. IIRC it has been challenged at the supreme court level. [/quote]
Firstly, I live in Australia. [/quote]
I know, the OP lives in New England and my comment was to him. I didn’t mention Australia.
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Secondly, the taxation legislation was crafted and is altered surreptitiously by two or three ministers and passed by mostly Labor(socialist international) administrations that I consider to be an actual hostile foreign socialist take over of the party that occurred in the 50’s. I’m not being dramatic I’m quote serious. My grandfather and his generation were Catholic unionists in the Labor Party when it was infiltrated by Soviet agents and sympathisers and the party split into an anti-Communist Labor Party and the current socialist international Labor Party. As they really are a radical socialist government thieving from me I don’t accept it. And I’m not going to accept it just because 52% of the people living here, 1/5 or more who weren’t even born here, happen to have voted for them or the radical Marxist Greens Party they recently held a tyrannical pact in the legislature and Prime Ministership that plunged the country in deep shit again like they always do. I’m not going to just sit back and let half the population rob me. I don’t believe in mob rule or demagogues and cronies taxing me to the hilt. Whatever I can clawback by any means is fair. The taxation laws are unjust.[/quote]
This has nothing to do with U.S. tax issues.
^^ I didn’t say it did. But the same principle applies. The taxation laws are unjust. I feel no moral obligation to adhere to them. And yes lifti would like Bastiat’s book because Bastiat is really the father of libertarianism. I may not agree with everything Bastiat says but he describes creeping socialism very well and how the law should work and when it becomes tyrannical. When the law is used to rob you it is being used for the very thing it was intended to prevent and is unjust and has no legitimacy as law.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
^^ I didn’t say it did. But the same principle applies. The taxation laws are unjust. [/quote]
You agreed with Angry Chicken that the OP should not report the $1,000 to the IRS. You say the same principle applies and that taxation laws are unjust.
How can you sit there and say your statements weren’t in reference to U.S. tax issues? How else was a reader supposed to take your comments?
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I feel no moral obligation to adhere to them. [/quote]
That’s great, but irrelevant.
In the U.S. you are legally required to adhere to them until such a time as they are successfully overturned in a U.S. court.
Wonderful.
It applies in the US too because US tax law is unjust so it applies to the OP. If the OP thinks he can get away with it he should not report anything to the IRS - a despotic agency in your country that has been used maliciously against the ideological opponents of the President.
Even if he had $5000 cash and did not report it how could the IRS possibly find out?
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
It applies in the US too because US tax law is unjust so it applies to the OP. [/quote]
Not per the U.S. court system.
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If the OP thinks he can get away with it he should not report anything to the IRS - a despotic agency in your country that has been used maliciously against the ideological opponents of the President.[/quote]
No he shouldn’t. You are encouraging tax fraud, which is irresponsible at best.
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
Even if he had $5000 cash and did not report it how could the IRS possibly find out?[/quote]
He put it in writing on the internet. That is why I originally brought it up. In all likelihood it wouldn’t be found even if he was audited, which is also unlikely.
Was it in cash?
Was it a check deposited into a bank account?