[quote]smh23 wrote:
Just to be clear, is anyone here explicitly contending that Obama is in fact a communist?[/quote]
In my experience the far righties tend to shy away when you back them in the corner on the issue…but until someone steps in to say hold on a second you actually think this, they will imply it all day long. Hopefully no one here isn’t that far off the reservation, but from reading some of this forum I wouldn’t be shocked.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Legionary wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/19-11-2012/122849-obama_soviet_mistake-0/[/quote]
Interesting. Good find.
I’d be interested to see the Bam supporters respond to this.[/quote]
Perhaps we should be more concerned with America’s foreign policy towards Russia and not a sensationalist piece from a known propagandist newspaper.
Contrary to the dismissive views of many in the West, Russia is a great power. While Russia may never again reach the superpower status it enjoyed during the Cold War, in terms of its “comprehensive national power”- its combined economic, military, and diplomatic strengths- Russia ranks among the strongest powers in the world today. Its economy has grown exponentially since 1998. Its military spending has increased by 20 percent annually in recent years. Russia holds the greatest reserves of mineral resources of any country in the world, including the largest reserves of petroleum and nearly half of the world’s potential coal reserves. Contrary to many peoples’ preconceptions, Europe depends more on Russia for its supply of energy than the Middle East. Russia has turned away from the post-war integrationist foreign policy championed by Yeltsin and Kozyrev. Great Power nationalism has returned to Russia, and with it traditional great power calculations and ambitions. [/quote]
So… You’re saying Romney was correct?[/quote]
Somewhat. Russia should be an area of great concern for the United States. Great power politics did not die at the end of the Cold War. I don’t believe that a candidate for president should declare a country as “our number one geopolitical foe” in the way Romney did. Its detrimental to the role he would have played as America’s chief diplomat. The same goes for his rhetoric against China. There are certain thing one shouldn’t voice in a public forum when running for the the most powerful office in the world. I have been influenced by the work of some of Romney’s former foreign policy advisers, some who happened to be Neo Cons. Good ideas are good ideas. I don’t care if they’re stamped in red or blue.
[quote]H factor wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
Just to be clear, is anyone here explicitly contending that Obama is in fact a communist?[/quote]
In my experience the far righties tend to shy away when you back them in the corner on the issue…but until someone steps in to say hold on a second you actually think this, they will imply it all day long. [/quote]
This is exactly what I’m getting at.
“I’m not saying John’s a vampire, but I’ve never seen him eat garlic. Just saying.”
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
Just to be clear, is anyone here explicitly contending that Obama is in fact a communist?[/quote]
Just to be clear, is anyone here explicitly contending that Obama, if he were king, would not impose communist ideas on his country as his own words throughout his lifetime seem to indicate he would? [/quote]
Why do you far righties want to play all these make believe little games? Does anyone think Santorum, if he were king, would force us into a theocracy as his own words throughout his lifetime seem to indicate he would?
This is a fun game! Let’s pretend what the politician MIGHT do if they had unlimited power as opposed to looking at what a politician actually does in our system. That seems boring and doesn’t always fit our worldview when people use annoying things like facts. I like make believe way more…don’t you?
[quote]smh23 wrote:
Just to be clear, is anyone here explicitly contending that Obama is in fact a communist?[/quote]
Are you asking what I think he is at heart or what he governs as?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
Just to be clear, is anyone here explicitly contending that Obama is in fact a communist?[/quote]
Just to be clear, is anyone here explicitly contending that Obama, if he were king, would not impose communist ideas on his country as his own words throughout his lifetime seem to indicate he would? [/quote]
Just to be clear, one of these is a meaningless hypothetical (meaningless in that it will not and cannot happen) and the other is a proposition about reality that seems to have some (slightly shy) champions around here. So the two are nothing like equivalent.
Am I to take from this that you do indeed believe that Barack Obama is a communist?
For the record, I am not trying to insult anyone. Just to understand what is actually being argued about in this thread. Is this about an obscure Russian tabloid? I don’t really think so.
I applaud you for this. We need more people who care about good ideas and less if they are the ideas of the red pill or the blue pill.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Just to be clear, is anyone here explicitly contending that Obama does NOT promote ideals that have long been strongly associated with Marxism/socialism/communism?[/quote]
In my experience the far lefties tend to shy away when you back them in the corner on the issue…but until someone steps in to say hold on a second you actually think this, they will imply it all day long.
SMH,
I don’t give a shit about a label, if you take money from me to give to someone else, I would call you someone I do not agree with.
Now, you could call me a Martian, and I might have green skin,…but I would be one pissed off green-skin Martian.
You have an absolute hard-on for a label, when it’s the actions that should weigh more than a name.
6 Republicans here voted for tax increases, and every single one of them is no longer in politics at all.
Ask them if they care about the Republican label, or if they care more about being one of the many “unemployed.”
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Legionary wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/19-11-2012/122849-obama_soviet_mistake-0/[/quote]
Interesting. Good find.
I’d be interested to see the Bam supporters respond to this.[/quote]
Perhaps we should be more concerned with America’s foreign policy towards Russia and not a sensationalist piece from a known propagandist newspaper…
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When are you fellers gonna git it through your thick noggins that this is PRAVDA writing this? That regardless of whether it is sensationalist piece from a known propagandist newspaper or not the Commies think, For Whatever Reason, that Bam is trying his derndest to get into their pantheon of heroes/villains.[/quote]
Perhaps they are simply trying to rile up those readers who are unable/unwilling to utilize critical thinking and set aside preconceived biases? Do you honestly think that PROPAGANDA by its very nature is motivated by what is explicitly presented to the target audience? Again Push…
“Contrary to the dismissive views of many in the West, Russia is a great power. While Russia may never again reach the superpower status it enjoyed during the Cold War, in terms of its “comprehensive national power”- its combined economic, military, and diplomatic strengths- Russia ranks among the strongest powers in the world today. Its economy has grown exponentially since 1998. Its military spending has increased by 20 percent annually in recent years. Russia holds the greatest reserves of mineral resources of any country in the world, including the largest reserves of petroleum and nearly half of the world’s potential coal reserves. Contrary to many peoples’ preconceptions, Europe depends more on Russia for its supply of energy than the Middle East. Russia has turned away from the post-war integrationist foreign policy championed by Yeltsin and Kozyrev. Great Power nationalism has returned to Russia, and with it traditional great power calculations and ambitions.”
smh,
We don’t have to guess about Obama do we?
I think it’s obvious that Obama from day one has proven himself to be a far left border line socialist. When he had both houses of congress democrat what did he do? Did he fix the economy? Nope! He passed a national heath care law which about 65% of America didn’t want.
And if you look at most (certainly not all) of what he’s done he is the most far left President in the history of our country.
So, we saw what he would do if both houses of Congress are democrat. And we know with the republicans controlling the house he is handcuffed to a degree. So fortunately for many of us he is limited as to what he’ll be able to do for the next two years. And since the democrats will not be able to gather up enough candidates who are cool cultural icons I think it’s a good bet that if he doesn’t play nice with the House republicans that he will also lose the Senate during the mid-terms.
So, we don’t have to guess what Obama is, we know from his prior actions. And…it isn’t good!
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
…Am I to take from this that you do indeed believe that Barack Obama is a communist?..
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You are the average sum of the four or five people with whom you have surrounded yourself.[/quote]
I love Bill.