What PH to Run with Test C?

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Look, you dont want to run a PH cycle right after your end your testosterone cycle. Your natural testosterone production is fully suppressed, and the longer it is suppressed the harder recovery is. Run a cycle for 10 weeks or less.

Just run the test cycle and do a proper PCT. There is plenty of info on this site to learn about what a proper PCT would consist of.

If you had spent two seconds on this site reading old posts, you could very easily see how willing the people on here are to help. You asked a ridiculous question, and because of such you got “flamed”. It is not a big deal, just admit your mistake and move on.

Also please take the time to correct your typing so that your posts are more understandable. It is very hard to interpret online.

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[quote]DOHCrazy wrote:
vanduser wrote:
i have one masters not two did i say two? sorry if i did

At this rate, by his next post, he won’t have any masters.

[/quote]

Im quite sure my PE and my Masters in Mechanical Engineering from The University of Texas trumps his masters of liberal arts from a school I have not heard of.

Not to mention: Bill Roberts, first post in this thread, PHD, has him beat by a long shot.

I did not play any sports for my college because Texas is a real school and you have to be incredible to play for them.

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Egnat- thankyou for your insightful response to me. i actually have researched a ton before i asked that, i wouldnt do what i was doing without the research.

i have actually been considering it for years for different reasons, i was a pitcher and my friends was taking something that was not test but it helped his legiments or something i wasnt that interested then but was interested in 5mph on fastball LOL-

what you said about running the ph after the cycle was what i was kind of thinking. i know i dont look like you, but i have worked really hard to get into the shape i am in now and really want to still be “cut” during summer to show it off a little bit.

i do not have or can not get any hcg out here in buffalo, so if you know of something that i could take to help with my nuts i.e supporting supps. thiers a place called primordialperformance.com they have a topical called sustain they say could be a replacement for hcg during cycle.

i like talking to actual people about this stuff and not just hearing what it does, ive heard clomid makes you all emotional for sometime, and other negative things about certain pct’s-

my friend helping me looked like you do a few years back before he started powerlifting so i know he knows what hes talking about, but love to hear a wide range of opinions on any subject for that matter, and yes i came off like an asshole, but then again i prolly am one lol. your help and direct answer to my question was very helpful.

and my real question you could help me with is what i should be looking to add to testC on the second go around. i am currently running 250 mg to see my reaction standalone cycle. thanks again would love to hear back

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westclock really? lol you never hear of saint bonaventure? hmmm you must not know to much being stuck in those mechanical engenerring books all day, i said my lib arts degree was my first two years where i played baeball at alfred we actually won the entire coastal division.

Three kids on my team were already signed all by the reds, seeing as you know absolutly nothing about anything to do with baseball where its played and who is good in western NY you shouldnt comment. and i never said a thing about being smart i never brought up shit until you duesch bags called me an idiot. and my masters is in business Administration.

and lastly you didnt play sports anywhere cause you couldnt have booner, we all know that. if you were any good at all you would have went to a local communitty college and played till scouts noticed you, but then again you wouldnt know that because you prolly were the third string tight end in high school and think your great at sports.

i never heard something dumber than" i didnt play cause i went to texas!!!" hahaha people who are good at sports dont go to a school they arent good enough to play at, they go to the schools they were recruited by, which obviously you have not been.

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Hey guy, bottom line is like Bill and the other gentlemen said running a prohormone with Test is a waste. Just run a test only cycle and make sure you have the necessary ancillaries for it. Also, you need more education in this area for your own well being and to avoid getting flambéed like this on a message board by every swinging dick comedian who wants to get in on the action.

Best of luck to you,

D

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I must make a correction:

I know the site here, in the author’s profile section, says I have a PhD. I have asked for this to be corrected, as the actuality is that I completed a PHD program in medicinal chemistry in all respects (required education, research, and qualifying exams) but for finishing my thesis. Never did do that. Anyway, on asking for it to be corrected I was told the whole article needs to be redone as it is quite old and it will be corrected when the article is redone.

So I do not have the degree.

Anyway, the original poster is mistaken in thinking the advice I gave was not helpful. I don’t know how I could have been clearer or more direct, yet he still, judging from his later posts, does not understand the point.

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thanks D - yea i posed the question like an idiot that is my fault i have studied tons of posted cycles and the pct’s for them. yea i know i have alot to learn certainly, but you sound smart so im sure you can undertand that everytime you find an answer you actually only found new questions…

yes i will keep everything super basic for now until i understand all, and will not take any PH’s with this cycle. thankyou for your support its greatly appciatted. i am going to post pics of myself tonite, i popped my cherry on sat afternoon.

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i never even was talking about you, it was a few down someone called me an idiot and it bothered me. Yea, it is sounding like i came on here to talk about my educational background. I thought your answer was fine, i had the idea and i understand i sounded naive, but i wrote it fast as i was walking out the door yesterday.

I apologize to anyone who was actually trying to help me. And as for you not “actually” having the degree. the smartest people that i’ve ever met were all people who either never attended college or flunked out or choose to leave.

In my opinion education is a self taught thing anyways, i could teach myself more than any PHD out there on a specific root that grows in the sahara during winter without a degree in anything. its obvious people take your advice to heart so i appreciate the response.

can you please tell me if there is anything i can do during and post cycle to maintain my cuts and vascularity throughout summer, until i run a cycle in late fall that is not just a standalone test. thankyou for your help, and please dont take what that one dude is saying about me seriously, im a normal down to earth guy looking to seek my potential and want advice thats all.

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vanduser,

If you really want to get the answers to your questions and not just have fun quipping with everyone, simply read the first few pages of the top 5 threads (“Stickys” which stay at the top of the forum index page since they contain the most important information). Then you will be ready to present educated questions/potnetial cycles to which many would offer constructive advice.

As was suggested, if you read through a few threads, you’ll see most genuinely go to great effort to assist whenever possible. In your case you came on with poorly thought out and typed messages which showed a total disrespect for those who wish to help.

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Well, as you had said you were “put off by the way the two original respondents to my question treated me for no apparent reason,” and I was the first of the original respondents, I took that to mean that my post was amoung the two being referred to.

In any case, to the new question:

Standard PCT will apply. That is to say, use Clomid or Nolvadex until sure that natural T production is back. For Clomid, 300 mg on the first day of use will promptly get levels to about where they will remain with ongoing 50 mg/day use. (These being the amounts I recommend). For Nolvadex, the figures are about 140 mg on the first day and 20 mg/day thereafter.

On maintaining cuts and vascularity but without being really “on cycle” and still maintaining your natural testosterone production, you could use letrozole to keep estradiol levels low normal. I think a good starting point is about 0.36 mg/day. A liquid product makes such fractional dosing easy. For example, with the product I use, which is at 2.5 mg/mL, that is 8 drops from the particular dropper that is provided. Ideally you’d test estrogen levels after a few weeks. A salivary test from ZRT is inexpensive.

I have been personally experimenting with combining that with low dose Masteron (injectable) at 0.15 mg (0.15 mL) per day, while also using letrozole. It definitely does provide an edge over using no androgen at all. I haven’t proved it isn’t substantially suppressive but I don’t think it is.

The only reason to resort to the so-called prohormones (which instead these days are synthetic anabolic steroids chosen ONLY for virtue of never having been approved as pharmaceutical drugs or sold prior to, what, 2003? and not happening to be on the controlled substances list) is inability to obtain pharmaceutical anabolic steroids which are superior OR unwillingness to buy an explicitly-controlled substance.

When having access to testosterone cypionate and choosing to possess it, one is not in those categories.

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[quote]vanduser wrote:
westclock really? lol you never hear of saint bonaventure? hmmm you must not know to much being stuck in those mechanical engenerring books all day, i said my lib arts degree was my first two years where i played baeball at alfred we actually won the entire coastal division.

Three kids on my team were already signed all by the reds, seeing as you know absolutly nothing about anything to do with baseball where its played and who is good in western NY you shouldnt comment. and i never said a thing about being smart i never brought up shit until you duesch bags called me an idiot. and my masters is in business Administration.

and lastly you didnt play sports anywhere cause you couldnt have booner, we all know that. if you were any good at all you would have went to a local communitty college and played till scouts noticed you, but then again you wouldnt know that because you prolly were the third string tight end in high school and think your great at sports.

i never heard something dumber than" i didnt play cause i went to texas!!!" hahaha people who are good at sports dont go to a school they arent good enough to play at, they go to the schools they were recruited by, which obviously you have not been.[/quote]

I started in highschool, but what does that matter ? Its freaking highschool.

I live in the south, we play football. That said UT has a great baseball team.

I went to UT because I had no interest in making a career out of sports. UT is top 5 in the US for engineering.

I would have been able to run track or play football for a smaller school, I got a random offer from some school in New Mexico actually, even though I had never talked to them or anyone about recruiting before.

But it was never even an option in my mind, once I finished highschool I was done with sports, thats how its done.

Why would I go to a crappy school just so I could play sports ?

Did you go pro ? No. Did I think I could go pro ? No.

I went to school for academics, what a terribly “original” concept. Play for a community college ? scounts ? Community college ??

haha, seriously ?

I didnt play sports because sports are not important. And of course I know nothing about baseball in NY, I live in Texas, this is the Big 12, who the hell cares about baseball anymore, much less baseball in the north ??

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[quote]vanduser wrote:

and my uncles were crazy big, google bill flick blasedell NY and see if he comes up he should affiliated with a church if you want to see him, he can still squeeze my thigh to the point you think its going to burst lol-- [/quote]

I thought this one was worth quoting.

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[quote]vanduser wrote:

In my opinion education is a self taught thing anyways, i could teach myself more than any PHD out there on a specific root that grows in the sahara during winter without a degree in anything. its obvious people take your advice to heart so i appreciate the response.

[/quote]

so why don’t you bloody read??? There are stickies out there man. If you want anyone around here to help I STRONGLY suggest that you come up with a draft cycle, then post it. If there aren’t major flaws in the latter that reflect no research done whatsoever, then people will help. Try not take the ‘easy way out’ by asking directly on these boards. Not to be a dick mind you, but the first thing I thought when I read your post was essentially ‘why the hell he want to mess with proshitrones if he got test?’ Then I thought ‘this guy hasn’t done any research’. Use prohormones only if you are broke, haven’t any access to proper steroids and have done your research anyway.So to sum it up:

  1. TAKE YOUR TIME to read the stickies (they have a ‘paper’ symbol next to them. Stickies are always the first few posts in any forum on this site. You want to read those in the steroids forum)

  2. Suggest a draft cycle. Include the compound name, mg / week etc

  3. Re read what you have written before hitting ‘post’

  4. Someone will answer if 1 2 and 3 have been done correctly

Just trying to help.

Good luck.

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Guys give him a break. He just asked a stupid question, we all learn from our mistakes. OP don’t post in these forums asking for help till you have done what others suggested (including what I have written above, which should be obvious by now). Again, just trying to help.

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Wow, you are lucky. Seriously, you got you answers answered by Bill himself.

:slight_smile:

Lucky

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Well, as you had said you were “put off by the way the two original respondents to my question treated me for no apparent reason,” and I was the first of the original respondents, I took that to mean that my post was amoung the two being referred to.

In any case, to the new question:

Standard PCT will apply. That is to say, use Clomid or Nolvadex until sure that natural T production is back. For Clomid, 300 mg on the first day of use will promptly get levels to about where they will remain with ongoing 50 mg/day use. (These being the amounts I recommend). For Nolvadex, the figures are about 140 mg on the first day and 20 mg/day thereafter.

On maintaining cuts and vascularity but without being really “on cycle” and still maintaining your natural testosterone production, you could use letrozole to keep estradiol levels low normal. I think a good starting point is about 0.36 mg/day. A liquid product makes such fractional dosing easy. For example, with the product I use, which is at 2.5 mg/mL, that is 8 drops from the particular dropper that is provided. Ideally you’d test estrogen levels after a few weeks. A salivary test from ZRT is inexpensive.

I have been personally experimenting with combining that with low dose Masteron (injectable) at 0.15 mg (0.15 mL) per day, while also using letrozole. It definitely does provide an edge over using no androgen at all. I haven’t proved it isn’t substantially suppressive but I don’t think it is.

The only reason to resort to the so-called prohormones (which instead these days are synthetic anabolic steroids chosen ONLY for virtue of never having been approved as pharmaceutical drugs or sold prior to, what, 2003? and not happening to be on the controlled substances list) is inability to obtain pharmaceutical anabolic steroids which are superior OR unwillingness to buy an explicitly-controlled substance.

When having access to testosterone cypionate and choosing to possess it, one is not in those categories. [/quote]