“Calories aren’t the problem.”
If I eat 8,000 calories of clean food, there will be a problem.
“Calories aren’t the problem.”
If I eat 8,000 calories of clean food, there will be a problem.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
“Calories aren’t the problem.”
If I eat 8,000 calories of clean food, there will be a problem. [/quote]
good luck with that
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Good.
Again, list macronutrient and caloric content of diet. [/quote]
why does that matter at all? If he eats that diet and is progressing towards his goals, calories/macros are irrelevant. If he’s not progressing just tweak it ;)[/quote]
True you don’t have to count everything to the “nth” degree while on a lifestyle diet, but in order to tweak it, won’t you have to know how much you’re eating now? [/quote]
I’ve trained for many years without literally counting out calories. I have a general idea of what I am eating and eat more or less based on what I am seeing in the mirror and in the gym.
Most of the guys I have ever known who literally started off counting everything like an accountant don’t progress very far. Your body is not going to act in a truly predictable way and it takes a well rounded understanding of your body to really get this.[/quote]
The act of counting doesn’t deter progress. How can it? It involves use of a pen, paper, a calculator, and perhaps an electronic application.
Not eating adequately (too much or too little or not the right choices) deters progress.
Hit enter by mistake too early… good luck with that, there’s the idea to, to listen to the body, eat slowly and eat to 80% full that should help people packing away 8k calories of salmon, broccoli and carrots
Some people need to count, others don’t. If what you’re doing isn’t moving you towards your goal, and you can’t actually look at the details of what you’re doing, then how accurate can your adjustments be? I’m not saying that everyone has to weigh everything out, but if you truly don’t have a clue (like most people who guesstimate and are very much off base), then you have to be analytical in your approach.
If you’re not looking to achieve a certain level of leanness (ie. contest dieting), and eyeballing has gotten you to whatever goal it is that you want, then that’s perfectly acceptable, and by all means keep going. You’ve figured out your body’s general requirements for food based on your daily eating schedule and food preferences.
I did that myself for years before I ever tried to get down to contest level leanness, and to be honest, there’s no way I could have approximated my #s and achieved the results I did. Once a contest is over, I can eyeball my food because I just finished spending 16 weeks following a carefully planned out eating regimen. My body has gotten used to serving sizes, and I’ve constantly reassessed to the point of knowing that my #s are on point, not guessing.
Dorian once said that Flex Wheeler complained about he was unable to replicate his conditioning from a year earlier. When Dorian asked what his previous plan was, Flex said that he couldn’t remember, and didn’t keep notes. I’m not saying that we all need to track things meticulously every day, but everyone’s goals are different, as are their genetics, and if you’re not happy with your results, then you’ve got to be able to look at the variables in play here.
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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Hit enter by mistake too early… good luck with that, there’s the idea to, to listen to the body, eat slowly and eat to 80% full that should help people packing away 8k calories of salmon, broccoli and carrots[/quote]
I think you missed my point. You said calories aren’t problem. They aren’t all the time. In many cases they are! Take a look at our obesity rate. Sorry, 50 to 100 pounds of fat on a person didn’t come from thin air; they came from eating too many calories. Hence my example that if I, at my current 205# were to eat 8000 calories, I’d become fat. That would be a problem.
Also, people who intentionally (a highly active athlete or obese strength athlete) and unintentionally consume 8000 to 10000 calories a day don’t fill that caloric amount with salmon and vegetables, but rather a ton of fats and processed carbs.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Hit enter by mistake too early… good luck with that, there’s the idea to, to listen to the body, eat slowly and eat to 80% full that should help people packing away 8k calories of salmon, broccoli and carrots[/quote]
I think you missed my point. You said calories aren’t problem. They aren’t all the time. In many cases they are! Take a look at our obesity rate. Sorry, 50 to 100 pounds of fat on a person didn’t come from thin air; they came from eating too many calories. Hence my example that if I, at my current 205# were to eat 8000 calories, I’d become fat. That would be a problem.
Also, people who intentionally (a highly active athlete or obese strength athlete) and unintentionally consume 8000 to 10000 calories a day don’t fill that caloric amount with salmon and vegetables, but rather a ton of fats and processed carbs. [/quote]
and what causes these people to eat too many calories? hint, it ain’t usually from real food
Food was plentiful in the 50s as well, but people didn’t sit and chow down on 10 whole eggs and spinach, it was there if they wanted it, but those foods regulate themselves… chips, cookies, cereal, not so much
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Hit enter by mistake too early… good luck with that, there’s the idea to, to listen to the body, eat slowly and eat to 80% full that should help people packing away 8k calories of salmon, broccoli and carrots[/quote]
I think you missed my point. You said calories aren’t problem. They aren’t all the time. In many cases they are! Take a look at our obesity rate. Sorry, 50 to 100 pounds of fat on a person didn’t come from thin air; they came from eating too many calories. Hence my example that if I, at my current 205# were to eat 8000 calories, I’d become fat. That would be a problem.
Also, people who intentionally (a highly active athlete or obese strength athlete) and unintentionally consume 8000 to 10000 calories a day don’t fill that caloric amount with salmon and vegetables, but rather a ton of fats and processed carbs. [/quote]
and what causes these people to eat too many calories? hint, it ain’t usually from real food
Food was plentiful in the 50s as well, but people didn’t sit and chow down on 10 whole eggs and spinach, it was there if they wanted it, but those foods regulate themselves… chips, cookies, cereal, not so much
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“What causes people to eat too many calories?”
A variety of reasons, one of which you’re hinting at (so we see eye to eye on something).
So here I agree with you. It also has to do with the utter degeneration of the quality of the population into a lazy, slovenly, stupid, indisciplined mass that doesn’t value physical culture.
AND letting our food technology and science run wild (which is what I assume you hint at), as we have done with any other field in which technology is used. (Just how many more gadgets do we need invented? Is there a future for us in space?)
Alright, alright, after reading through I have some things to say (been away from the site for a few weeks)
i did start out counting out calories, macros, etc, but once i had my diet locked in that way, i didnt necessarily count anymore, nor do i now. from the few months i did count everything, i feel i am fairly in tune with the way my body responds, and therefore if i dont like the progress im seeing (or not seeing) i adjust. if i still dont see the right results after that, i begin counting again until i can lock my diet back down.
I have just started my grade 12 football season, 2 hour practices up to 5 days a week (tons of cardio/ conditioning). since i had previously planned on starting a program that calls for 1-2 light cardio sessions per week, i am unsure if i should hold off from beginning that program until after the season, or go ahead with it and up my caloric intake to match the cals burned during football. Thoughts?
Edit: thanks for the input, really appreciate you guys taking the time to respond!!
I feel i should clarify a bit as well, I’m 17, a highschool senior, playing football at the moment, just looking to get bigger, look better, etc. im already one of the biggest kids in my school of 1600 , due largely to genetics and the fact that most all the guys in my school favour basketball over weightlifting, that type of thing. Im not looking to compete anytime soon, maybe years down the road. many of my role models are physique athletes (craig capurso, steve cook, greg plitt), professional strongmen and powerlifters (TOM PLATZ, brian shaw, mike jenkins) and football players (dont wanna spit out names, this isnt a forum for fighting over your favourite nfl linebackers)
will upload a pic later today
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
“Calories aren’t the problem.”
If I eat 8,000 calories of clean food, there will be a problem. [/quote]
Which proves what exactly?
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
“Calories aren’t the problem.”
If I eat 8,000 calories of clean food, there will be a problem. [/quote]
Which proves what exactly?[/quote]
that calories DO count, it doesn’t have to be one or the other. HOWEVER, IMO, when eating “clean” food, most of this nonsense takes care of itself.
Then again, we also have a society that eats super fast and distracted, throwing other wrenches into a well designed machine
Thinking about food as purely a form of calories neglects what food really is - food are chemicals that interact with other chemicals within the body.
How does the body know which chemicals to use as energy or which to use to generate tissue, etc.?