What is considered a “real” house to you?

First off, let me address OP:

Congrats on getting your own house, have fun turning it into a home. Very happy for you, guys.

Your hubby’s friend must’ve had a bad day and/or maybe is just a jerk. Backhanded compliments tend to be a sign of low self esteem.

As to OP’s question on what is considered a real house to me:

A place that I own outright and where I can do as I please.

I’ve owned multiple houses: a solid-ass brick shit house back when I was living in Europe; a high-end modular / mobile home; a regular stick-frame house; a shipping container house I’ve been building, a barnshed to house conversion. I’ve also been living out of a high-end RV.

The dwellings I felt were/are the most “house” are actually the seacan mods and the barnshed conversions (I took 2 16x40 barnsheds and connected them up in an L config).

Why? Because I own the property and the house outright. I pay no mortgage. Have no electrical (off-grid solar) or water (deep well and rain catchment) bills. And, best of all: NO. PROPERTY. TAX. That’s right, folks. I own the property and house outright. Should I decide to stop earning an income, I wouldn’t be at risk of losing my home. Oh, and the land is providing my family and me with food. And crypto miners that I run off of solar earn us money. That’s what I call a home: something that you don’t have to generate any income for and where you can do as you please. Did I mention no building code enforcement? :wink:

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Id like to build with those seacan units. That would be fun as hell. I’d place 4 corner to corner horizontally and one in each corner vertically like parapets, with steps from insidethe courtyard up to decking built on top between the parapet.

What’s keeping ya from doing that, bud? You could always build a shipping container castle like that guy here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VINWyQfZVdM

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About 100k. The plasma cutter and welding is no problem though. :rofl:

How’s that work?

Good question, because I own my shit outright, too, and pay property taxes like it’s my job.

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I pay $28k a year in property tax. Please tell me how to get rid of this.

edit: doesn’t include investment property.

I can share my perspective on property tax exemptions and reductions in the US. Bear in mind, though, that I’m no expert. Also, I specifically moved to the US from Europe as part of a consistent strategic relocation. Part of that was the ability to build a self-reliant off-grid homestead. To have next to no building code shenanigans we have to contend with (apart from getting a septic approval). Another one were 2A and 1A. And while it might sound like it was easy to pull off, the visa requirements for a green card were tough - as they should be. What I’m trying to say is: the compromises we, as a family, were willing to accept to gain the very specific and deliberate aspects of freedom (and self-reliance and most risks associated with that) might not be acceptable to most folks.

  1. How do we get away with paying no property tax?
    We moved to an unincorporated borough in Alaska. That’s it.

  2. Where do I get off with saying outright property ownership = paying no property tax?
    That’s just my opinion based on a very simple test:

  • if you only buy once AND
  • don’t have to invest another penny to not have your property taken away AND
  • can basically do / build what you want apart from jerry rigging a septic system

=> then THAT’S outright property ownership. To me, at least. I’m not here to debate this, just sharing my perspective. You do you.

  1. Apart from buying land in an unincorporated borough in Alaska and moving there - what other options are there to reduce my property tax footprint as a private person?

I only have surface-level knowhow regarding the following options, since, from the get-go, we knew only true property tax exemption (see 1) above) would work for us. Maybe these can facilitate finding options that work for those of you who are interested in lowering their property tax footprint.

a) Agricultural / Use-Value Assessment:
Land is taxed based on productive agricultural (or timber/open-space) value rather than market value; reductions can be dramatic for rural acreage but require ongoing qualifying use and usually carry rollback penalties if the use stops.

b) Timber / Forest Land Programs:
Similar to ag exemptions but optimized for managed forestland; very low assessed values per acre are common if harvest plans and management requirements are met.

c) Conservation / Open-Space Current-Use Covenants:
Voluntary restrictions on development rights in exchange for sharply reduced assessments; taxes are usually minimal but never zero, and the covenant binds future owners.

d) Veteran Property Tax Exemptions:
In some states, 100 % disabled veterans (and sometimes surviving spouses) can receive near-total or total exemption on a primary residence, often capped by home value or acreage.

e) Homestead Exemptions (Owner-Occupied):
Reduces taxable assessed value for a primary residence; modest alone, but powerful when stacked with other programs (ag, senior, veteran).

f) Senior / Disabled Exemptions:
Age- or disability-based reductions that can significantly cut taxes, sometimes paired with assessment freezes that stop future increases.

g) Assessment Freezes:
Locks the assessed value at a baseline year (often for seniors/disabled); taxes may still exist, but inflation and appreciation stop compounding the burden.

h) Property-Tax Circuit Breakers:
Caps property tax liability as a percentage of household income; can reduce the effective tax to very low levels for low-income households.

i) Tax Deferral Programs:
Taxes are postponed (often until sale or death) rather than forgiven; cash-flow burden can drop to zero during ownership, but the lien remains.

j) Primary-Residence Value Caps:
Annual limits on how much assessed value may increase, sharply reducing long-term tax growth in appreciating areas.

k) Agricultural + Residential Hybrid Classifications:
Some jurisdictions allow a homesite plus surrounding acreage to remain under ag or mixed-use valuation, minimizing tax on the non-residential portion.

l) Special Rural / Productivity Districts:
Certain counties apply ultra-low productivity values for marginal land (grazing, scrub, arid land), resulting in very small annual taxes.

m) Error-Prone or Minimal-Service Jurisdictions (Still Taxing):
Extremely rural counties may levy property tax but at such low mill rates and valuations that the annual bill is effectively negligible (tens of dollars).

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I ask the same thing every year. LOL

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You need better friends….no one should ever say that.

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As others have mentioned, your husband needs better friends.

Anything you own is better than renting. Congrats on the purchase!

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we purchased a stick built home on a foundation with a decent bit of land . . over the years we’ve put two additions on it . . couldn’t be happier

in the land of 2.49% property taxes and the age of $550k median home price, the idea of having a “real” house seems like a farce especially when it means you have to drive a car just to get back to the train station to get to your job in the city ($300-400/month in train fare).

so you should be proud of any housing you achieve and definitely ignore the haters

imo the bigger issue with manufactured homes is that they often do not include the land the home is placed on so you end up still having to pay “land rent” which can be in the ballpark of several hundred dollars/month to a landlord. On top of your mortgage, taxes, and any insurances.

but considering the housing market conditions there might not be any real alternative in your area

definitely dont sweat it but also definitely keep a close eye on the financials of your housing situation and dont sleep on opportunities to change it out if you find something that seems more advantageous for your needs and circumstances.

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Do you understand that if this was a group of his buddies, that they were most likely just giving him shit? He’s response was that of a woman. He’d cry on his first day working on a construction site or in a shop.

It is standard practice to remove the wheels for a variety of reasons. It’s not a camper; you can’t just back a truck up to one and roll away with it.

You sound like you’d fit in really well with his original friends.

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Nah, there are lines. You don’t joke or make fun of a man’s home, which includes his family. On construction sites, in kitchens and warehouses, that’s the line where ball busting usually turns into a fight.

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The actual comment that was quoted for us is so innocuous…

He didn’t make fun of the man’s home or family or mention them.

“oh nice man! Let us know when you get a real house!”

:face_with_raised_eyebrow:

He didn’t say, “oh nice man! Let us know when you get a real family!” “Let us know when you get a real wife!” “Let us know when you get real children!” “Let us know when you get a real home, ya know, that place of security, comfort and love!”

He gave the guy shit about four walls and roof. Have some thicker skin, man.

You don’t get it. It’s fine.