What if Christians are Wrong?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
I’ve never wondered that. I have read the bible and I’ve seen you use this same ‘debating tactic’ on everyone, so I’ve known since the beginning that your go-to strategy for brushing off questions that make you uncomfortable is to say “You haven’t read the bible!”, as though that magically fixes the issue. [/quote]

I’d love to hear your systematic method of studying the Bible.[/quote]

It’s amazing how you can read a book like the bible and yet know nothing about it, even the most basic shit. [/quote]

Let’s not kid, he got to March and ran into Leviticus and stopped. Just like everyone and their mother did. However, there is a systematic method to reading the Bible. The Bible is not a chronological book (even in some of the books they seem to be all over the place – I’m thinking of the narrative of the divided kingdom).[/quote]

To be honest, I don’t care if you guys don’t believe me. Personally, I think you do believe me and that’s why you all so ardently circle-jerk each other on the topic as though merely asserting it enough times will make it established fact. If you guys actually didn’t believe me, you wouldn’t try so hard to let me know you don’t believe me. Seriously, pat, literally nothing I’ve said in this thread has anything to do with the bible. Don’t you think that makes it a tad suspicious that your immediate response was ‘Well, clearly you didn’t read the bible!’?

It’s petty and it shows a certain cowardice in you. [/quote]

If you read it, you display knowledge of having done so… You don’t, so doubt remains. And you care a lot apparently. Everything you say about it is wrong. So you either didn’t read it, or you’re dumb as hell.[/quote]

Your problem is that you’re starting from the mindset that the bible is true and working backwards. So to you, if someone doesn’t agree with you, either they didn’t read the bible or they are stupid.

Could you imagine if scientists acted so foolishly?

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
The irony of this statement coming from my old friend Pat is simply beyond words.[/quote]

This brings up another point. There are people in this world who have read the bible and understand it far better than you, pat, and I’m sure many of them disagree with your views on it.

Does that mean you haven’t read the bible? No? Well then I guess you must be “dumb as Hell”. After all, it’s one or the other, right?

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[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
I’ve never wondered that. I have read the bible and I’ve seen you use this same ‘debating tactic’ on everyone, so I’ve known since the beginning that your go-to strategy for brushing off questions that make you uncomfortable is to say “You haven’t read the bible!”, as though that magically fixes the issue. [/quote]

I’d love to hear your systematic method of studying the Bible.[/quote]

It’s amazing how you can read a book like the bible and yet know nothing about it, even the most basic shit. [/quote]

Let’s not kid, he got to March and ran into Leviticus and stopped. Just like everyone and their mother did. However, there is a systematic method to reading the Bible. The Bible is not a chronological book (even in some of the books they seem to be all over the place – I’m thinking of the narrative of the divided kingdom).[/quote]

To be honest, I don’t care if you guys don’t believe me. Personally, I think you do believe me and that’s why you all so ardently circle-jerk each other on the topic as though merely asserting it enough times will make it established fact. If you guys actually didn’t believe me, you wouldn’t try so hard to let me know you don’t believe me. Seriously, pat, literally nothing I’ve said in this thread has anything to do with the bible. Don’t you think that makes it a tad suspicious that your immediate response was ‘Well, clearly you didn’t read the bible!’?

It’s petty and it shows a certain cowardice in you. [/quote]

If you read it, you display knowledge of having done so… You don’t, so doubt remains. And you care a lot apparently. Everything you say about it is wrong. So you either didn’t read it, or you’re dumb as hell.[/quote]

Your problem is that you’re starting from the mindset that the bible is true and working backwards. So to you, if someone doesn’t agree with you, either they didn’t read the bible or they are stupid.

Could you imagine if scientists acted so foolishly?
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No, I am working from the mind set that whether you believe it or not, the bible makes certain tenets and points very clearly. If you have read it, they cannot be missed. Whether you agree or not is irrelevant, knowledge of their existence is all that is relevant. Hence, you don’t display this knowledge which is how I know you did not read it, or were completely brain dead when you did.
It’s that simple. The book says certain things, if you miss these points, well, you can’t they are to obvious… So if you miss obvious things, then you couldn’t have read it.

I am not telling you what you say that clues me in… Then you might be able to google it.

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[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
The irony of this statement coming from my old friend Pat is simply beyond words.[/quote]

This brings up another point. There are people in this world who have read the bible and understand it far better than you, pat, and I’m sure many of them disagree with your views on it.

Does that mean you haven’t read the bible? No? Well then I guess you must be “dumb as Hell”. After all, it’s one or the other, right?[/quote]

No he read it. He didn’t understand it, but he read it.Then he proceeded to insert a bunch of garbage that wasn’t and isn’t there.

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[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
I’ve never wondered that. I have read the bible and I’ve seen you use this same ‘debating tactic’ on everyone, so I’ve known since the beginning that your go-to strategy for brushing off questions that make you uncomfortable is to say “You haven’t read the bible!”, as though that magically fixes the issue. [/quote]

I’d love to hear your systematic method of studying the Bible.[/quote]

Systematic method? I just picked it up and read it, a little bit each night. I don’t think one should base their life off it, but it has tremendous anthropological value and the follow up book (NT) shows a strong contrast in moral norms indicative of a significant shift in societies valuing of compassion.

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No, it does not.[/quote]

I don’t know which book you were reading, but I didn’t find any chapters involving turning people into salt in the second half of the bible. [/quote]

The values expressed in the NT are not different than in the OT…

It’s not a matter of whether or not you are shooting yourself in the foot, it’s the size of the gun you’re doing it with…Quit while your behind.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
I’ve never wondered that. I have read the bible and I’ve seen you use this same ‘debating tactic’ on everyone, so I’ve known since the beginning that your go-to strategy for brushing off questions that make you uncomfortable is to say “You haven’t read the bible!”, as though that magically fixes the issue. [/quote]

I’d love to hear your systematic method of studying the Bible.[/quote]

It’s amazing how you can read a book like the bible and yet know nothing about it, even the most basic shit. [/quote]

Let’s not kid, he got to March and ran into Leviticus and stopped. Just like everyone and their mother did. However, there is a systematic method to reading the Bible. The Bible is not a chronological book (even in some of the books they seem to be all over the place – I’m thinking of the narrative of the divided kingdom).[/quote]

To be honest, I don’t care if you guys don’t believe me. Personally, I think you do believe me and that’s why you all so ardently circle-jerk each other on the topic as though merely asserting it enough times will make it established fact. If you guys actually didn’t believe me, you wouldn’t try so hard to let me know you don’t believe me. Seriously, pat, literally nothing I’ve said in this thread has anything to do with the bible. Don’t you think that makes it a tad suspicious that your immediate response was ‘Well, clearly you didn’t read the bible!’?

It’s petty and it shows a certain cowardice in you. [/quote]

If you read it, you display knowledge of having done so… You don’t, so doubt remains. And you care a lot apparently. Everything you say about it is wrong. So you either didn’t read it, or you’re dumb as hell.[/quote]

Your problem is that you’re starting from the mindset that the bible is true and working backwards. So to you, if someone doesn’t agree with you, either they didn’t read the bible or they are stupid.

Could you imagine if scientists acted so foolishly?
[/quote]

No, I am working from the mind set that whether you believe it or not, the bible makes certain tenets and points very clearly. If you have read it, they cannot be missed. Whether you agree or not is irrelevant, knowledge of their existence is all that is relevant. Hence, you don’t display this knowledge which is how I know you did not read it, or were completely brain dead when you did.
It’s that simple. The book says certain things, if you miss these points, well, you can’t they are to obvious… So if you miss obvious things, then you couldn’t have read it.

I am not telling you what you say that clues me in… Then you might be able to google it.[/quote]

You’re trying too hard. I made a joke about you being anti-semetic and now you’re throwing a hissy fit.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
The irony of this statement coming from my old friend Pat is simply beyond words.[/quote]

This brings up another point. There are people in this world who have read the bible and understand it far better than you, pat, and I’m sure many of them disagree with your views on it.

Does that mean you haven’t read the bible? No? Well then I guess you must be “dumb as Hell”. After all, it’s one or the other, right?[/quote]

No he read it. He didn’t understand it, but he read it.Then he proceeded to insert a bunch of garbage that wasn’t and isn’t there.[/quote]

What about the members of Westboro? Surely you don’t agree with them, and they live eat and sleep the bible!

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
I’ve never wondered that. I have read the bible and I’ve seen you use this same ‘debating tactic’ on everyone, so I’ve known since the beginning that your go-to strategy for brushing off questions that make you uncomfortable is to say “You haven’t read the bible!”, as though that magically fixes the issue. [/quote]

I’d love to hear your systematic method of studying the Bible.[/quote]

Systematic method? I just picked it up and read it, a little bit each night. I don’t think one should base their life off it, but it has tremendous anthropological value and the follow up book (NT) shows a strong contrast in moral norms indicative of a significant shift in societies valuing of compassion.

[/quote]

No, it does not.[/quote]

I don’t know which book you were reading, but I didn’t find any chapters involving turning people into salt in the second half of the bible. [/quote]

The values expressed in the NT are not different than in the OT…

It’s not a matter of whether or not you are shooting yourself in the foot, it’s the size of the gun you’re doing it with…Quit while your behind.
[/quote]

To anyone who doesn’t have an agenda based on making these two books jive, it’s stupidly obvious that there’s an enormous shift in tone between the new and old testaments. Not a lot of baby-killing going on in the NT.

Sometimes I have to stop and wonder at the fact that I’m talking to grown ass men who have spent their lives justifying fairy-tales.

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“…People don’t want to think. And the deeper they get into trouble, the less they want to think. But by some sort of instinct, they feel that they ought to and it makes them feel guilty. So they’ll bless and follow anyone who gives them a justification for not thinking. Anyone who makes a virtue â?? a highly intellectual virtue â?? out of what they know to be their sin, their weakness and their guilt.”

Atlas Shrugged

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

“…People don’t want to think. And the deeper they get into trouble, the less they want to think. But by some sort of instinct, they feel that they ought to and it makes them feel guilty. So they’ll bless and follow anyone who gives them a justification for not thinking. Anyone who makes a virtue â?? a highly intellectual virtue â?? out of what they know to be their sin, their weakness and their guilt.”

Atlas Shrugged[/quote][quote]Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?[/quote]The Holy Bible. First epistle of St. Paul the apostle to the church at Corinth chapter one verse twenty.[quote]There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.[/quote]The sixteenth chapter of the proverbs of Solomon and the 25th verse.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

“…People don’t want to think. And the deeper they get into trouble, the less they want to think. But by some sort of instinct, they feel that they ought to and it makes them feel guilty. So they’ll bless and follow anyone who gives them a justification for not thinking. Anyone who makes a virtue Ã?¢?? a highly intellectual virtue Ã?¢?? out of what they know to be their sin, their weakness and their guilt.”

Atlas Shrugged[/quote][quote]Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?[/quote]The Holy Bible. First epistle of St. Paul the apostle to the church at Corinth chapter one verse twenty.[quote]There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.[/quote]The sixteenth chapter of the proverbs of Solomon and the 25th verse.
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“For centuries, the battle of morality was fought between those who claimed that your life belongs to God and those who claimed that it belongs to your neighbors - between those who preached that the good is self-sacrifice for the sake of ghosts in heaven and those who preached that the good is self-sacrifice for the sake of incompetents on earth. And no one came to say that your life belongs to you and that the good is to live it.” John Galt

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

“…People don’t want to think. And the deeper they get into trouble, the less they want to think. But by some sort of instinct, they feel that they ought to and it makes them feel guilty. So they’ll bless and follow anyone who gives them a justification for not thinking. Anyone who makes a virtue Ã??Ã?¢?? a highly intellectual virtue Ã??Ã?¢?? out of what they know to be their sin, their weakness and their guilt.”

Atlas Shrugged[/quote][quote]Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?[/quote]The Holy Bible. First epistle of St. Paul the apostle to the church at Corinth chapter one verse twenty.[quote]There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.[/quote]The sixteenth chapter of the proverbs of Solomon and the 25th verse.
[/quote]

“For centuries, the battle of morality was fought between those who claimed that your life belongs to God and those who claimed that it belongs to your neighbors - between those who preached that the good is self-sacrifice for the sake of ghosts in heaven and those who preached that the good is self-sacrifice for the sake of incompetents on earth. And no one came to say that your life belongs to you and that the good is to live it.” John Galt
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Oh, actually, many people came to say exactly that.
But they were all someone’s neighbors.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:<<< And no one came to say that your life belongs to you and that the good is to live it." John Galt
[/quote]PREPOSTEROUS NONSENSE MAN!!! Someone most assuredly DID come to say that:[quote]1-Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Indeed, has God said, “You shall not eat from any tree of the garden”?” 2-The woman said to the serpent, “From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; 3-but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, “You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.”” 4-The serpent said to the woman, “You surely will not die! 5"For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”[/quote]He’s still saying it today. Ya know, the blood and resurrection life of the only begotten Son of God can make you free so you don’t have to be his ventriloquist dummy anymore. Wouldn’t it be wonderful??? To actually live free instead of in the delusion that you are?

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:<<< And no one came to say that your life belongs to you and that the good is to live it." John Galt
[/quote]PREPOSTEROUS NONSENSE MAN!!! Someone most assuredly DID come to say that:[quote]1-Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Indeed, has God said, “You shall not eat from any tree of the garden”?” 2-The woman said to the serpent, “From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; 3-but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, “You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.”” 4-The serpent said to the woman, “You surely will not die! 5"For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”[/quote]He’s still saying it today. Ya know, the blood and resurrection life of the only begotten Son of God can make you free so you don’t have to be his ventriloquist dummy anymore. Wouldn’t it be wonderful??? To actually live free instead of in the delusion that you are?
[/quote]

Lol! Very good, T.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:<<< And no one came to say that your life belongs to you and that the good is to live it." John Galt
[/quote]PREPOSTEROUS NONSENSE MAN!!! Someone most assuredly DID come to say that:[quote]1-Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Indeed, has God said, “You shall not eat from any tree of the garden”?” 2-The woman said to the serpent, “From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; 3-but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, “You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.”” 4-The serpent said to the woman, “You surely will not die! 5"For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”[/quote]He’s still saying it today. Ya know, the blood and resurrection life of the only begotten Son of God can make you free so you don’t have to be his ventriloquist dummy anymore. Wouldn’t it be wonderful??? To actually live free instead of in the delusion that you are?
[/quote]

Lol! Very good, T.
[/quote] Takes bow… in Jesus name of course =]

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:<<< And no one came to say that your life belongs to you and that the good is to live it." John Galt
[/quote]PREPOSTEROUS NONSENSE MAN!!! Someone most assuredly DID come to say that:[quote]1-Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Indeed, has God said, “You shall not eat from any tree of the garden”?” 2-The woman said to the serpent, “From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; 3-but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, “You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.”” 4-The serpent said to the woman, “You surely will not die! 5"For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”[/quote]He’s still saying it today. Ya know, the blood and resurrection life of the only begotten Son of God can make you free so you don’t have to be his ventriloquist dummy anymore. Wouldn’t it be wonderful??? To actually live free instead of in the delusion that you are?
[/quote]

Lol! Very good, T.
[/quote] Takes bow… in Jesus name of course =]

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[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
The irony of this statement coming from my old friend Pat is simply beyond words.[/quote]

This brings up another point. There are people in this world who have read the bible and understand it far better than you, pat, and I’m sure many of them disagree with your views on it.

Does that mean you haven’t read the bible? No? Well then I guess you must be “dumb as Hell”. After all, it’s one or the other, right?[/quote]

No he read it. He didn’t understand it, but he read it.Then he proceeded to insert a bunch of garbage that wasn’t and isn’t there.[/quote]

What about the members of Westboro? Surely you don’t agree with them, and they live eat and sleep the bible![/quote]

I would say there share many traits. And I detest Westboro. Yeah, they know the words, but they cherry pick the meanings. Basically it breaks down like this, some people use the bible to suit their own purposes. You can recognize them by the fact that they cherry pick certain parts, out of context and use that to bring glory to themselves. Others, read the bible, have a hard time accepting all of it, but sturggle humbly to live the word.
So if you see people using the bible to make themselves great (Westboro) then you have the former, if you see people who are trying to be better people then you have the latter.

the word of God is a powerful thing, and when it’s misused it’s often tragic.

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That’s cool, dude. Now quit bowing.

(^_~)

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:<<< And no one came to say that your life belongs to you and that the good is to live it." John Galt
[/quote]PREPOSTEROUS NONSENSE MAN!!! Someone most assuredly DID come to say that:[quote]1-Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Indeed, has God said, “You shall not eat from any tree of the garden”?” 2-The woman said to the serpent, “From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; 3-but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, “You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.”” 4-The serpent said to the woman, “You surely will not die! 5"For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”[/quote]He’s still saying it today. Ya know, the blood and resurrection life of the only begotten Son of God can make you free so you don’t have to be his ventriloquist dummy anymore. Wouldn’t it be wonderful??? To actually live free instead of in the delusion that you are?
[/quote]

Lol! Very good, T.
[/quote] Takes bow… in Jesus name of course =]
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Can I prove my points with illogical fairy tales written as bedtime stories hundreds of years before the Bible was written?

So…Adam and Eve had not yet eaten from the tree, so they didn’t know that what they were doing was wrong. They were Innocents. But God punishes them anyway, kind of like whipping a baby with a belt because it spills its bottle. Wow, some God you got there…

People actually believe this hodge podge of nonsense; no wonder the world is so irrational.

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Hit the epistemology or metaphysics thread HH. You are so far behind you’re about to lap yourself. Seriously.

It’s a simple principle though if some actual philosophical theological discussion scares you. God said no. They did it anyway. This is called disobedience and when perpetrated against an infinite eternal and flawlessly holy God it is an unholy, eternal crime, worthy of a just and eternal sentence. You’ll get that soon enough after God subdues your insolent stiffnecked heart and will like He did mine.

I’ll take ya to church. You’re in Michigan right? Come on. I’ll drive. You can tell me all about the faucethead or fountainhead or whatever on the way there. You’ll love it. The place will be full of people like me. Though they won’t look much like me =]