[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
Wrong and wrong. Islam isn’t a copying of Christianity any more than Christianity is a copy of Judaism.
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…lolwat? Of course Christianity isn’t a copy of Judaism, it is a righteous fulfillment of Judaism. It is modern Judaism.
This is plain as day, false. Both statements. Where in the world did you learn this, HH?
First, if anything all of man kind was stinking to high hell. Not just jews. Second, Jesus came not to remove the law or the prophets (read: he did not come to stop Judaism), he came to fulfill them (read: came to fulfill Judaism, to practice it perfectly). He came to righteously fulfill all that is written in the Old Testament, perfectly. From Adam in the Garden, the last of the three promises to Abraham, to the Israelites in the desert, to King David. Jesus didn’t come to cut ties with Judaism and the past and start fresh with something called a “Church”, he came to do those things man was supposed to do perfectly throughout salvation history, Adam in protecting the Garden and his wife against the enemy, Moses and the Israelites in coming out of the water, going into the wilderness to be tested three times, and King David in creating God’s Kingdom and a permanent temple.
K. I’m sure the people of Ishmael and Isaac would disagree. I’d also disagree because historically, theologically, scholastically, and anecdotally, this is untrue. [/quote]
Are you familiar with the study of messianic expectation? I’m no expert on the subject and only studied it in part for a quarter. Messianic Expectation would have been what Jews longed for post King David, and their expectations were perfectly in line with, and in accordance with what it meant to be God’s Chosen people/servants.
Now, think about what David accomplished in his lifetime. Was he thought of as a warrior, or a Jesus like pacifist? Messianic expectation came about during a time when Jews had experienced diaspora, they idealized David because realistically, if the chosen people were going to return to their chosen land they would need to do so by force.
Also, there were people who identified themselves as Jews who lived in Israel at the time who believed the reason they were still in Israel was because they were still in God’s favor, while those exhiled from Israel must have fallen out of favor with God, and were no longer his chosen or were being punished, remember that God was sort of fickle back in the eye for an eye days. Also, if you are still a Jew today you might think the turn the other cheek rule is good, but it wasn’t, and isn’t part of the Torah.
So no, Christianity isn’t fulfillment of Judaism. Jesus wasn’t anything like David, he was supposed to be about calling things as he saw them (corruption, equality and bigotry), about forgiveness, charity and pacifism. David was a warrior, and seemed to be more about upholding traditions and set the standard for the ideal Jewish state of existence which would have been proud and elite people who shouldn’t be taken lightly due to being God’s Chosen along with a reputation of being bad ass people in general.
These days many people who call themselves Christian aren’t Christ like at all, but wanna be David’s. Not that David was bad, I idealize David more than most people do, but David was a warrior, and Jesus was a hippy. I find most wealthy christian conservatives talk a good game, but when it comes right down to it they will put your ass on the line rather than their own. It’s not their asses going to war or their sons, they are going to the University while we are out in the field or busting our ass 12+ hour days, 7 days a week. I’d like to go back to those naivete days when I had faith in Christian Conservatives and believed they had the same heart and values as the officers I knew. Come to find out we military folks had our own ideals of conservatism that we develop and hold onto strongly as a result of our military bonds and experiences. Sooner or later many of us come to grips with reality, and realize most of you only give a shit about yourselves and your tiny little circle of like minded peers who fall in step with conservative ideals that break sharply with the religious ideals they claim to be the very foundation of what they stand for.
What a load of bullshit. I wish you could stand in my shoes and experience what it’s like to be a vet see mentally unstable homeless vets walking around the streets at 3am asking people for a blanket. But I guess they should pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, stop being lazy parasites and get a job eh?
