[quote]dhickey wrote:
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dhickey wrote:
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dhickey wrote:
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I think there is a difference between charity and not punishing people for being poor. Our tax code beats middle income Americans to death, and because the poor do not pay as much income tax the Middle Americans feel the poor are getting Charity. When it is the very wealthy that are getting all the breaks
How do you figure? Maybe you should actually look at tax stats before posting ridiculous shit like this. Unless you think the top 5% of income earners are middle income.
All the info you need is out, you just have to look.
What tax stats are you talking about? I am talking about multi national corporations and their top executives that know how to shelter income.
Go look at what % of tax revenue is collected from the top 5% of income earners.
It does not take much figuring.
Nothing you say takes much figuring. You should start figuring a bit more. It’s all irrational bullshit with nothing to back it up.
Are you one of those people that feel if we take care of the wealthy they will take care of us? Your arguments are pretty predictable. Do you believe them to be true, or are you just playing Devils advocate.
What do you mean by taking care of the rich? You mean letting them keep more of the money they rightfully earned? Yes, I would like everyone to benefit from the fruits of their labor. what a bastard, I know.
If I thought you were capable of following along, I would outline what happens when you let the investment class keep more of their income. You would have to willingly use logic and reason and we’ve all seen how difficult that can be for you.
With the time limitations I do have considered, please explain to me how the multination corp. executives pay a higher tax rate than the middle class American .Please indulge me. I promise to ask you to explain if I do not understand
If you are talking about individual American citizens, I don’t understand why you think there is something funny going on.
Any rich American choosing not to pay taxes is not at the expense of any of us. It?s their money. Are they any worse than those that chose not to work and pay taxes, but instead sit at home and collect on our money? At least the tax dodger isn’t taking my money in the process.
If you are talking about the corporations themselves, blame IRS enforcement and ridiculous tax code. I blame the corporations for doing everything they can to keep more of their money, as much as I blame myself for taking dependant credits and investing in 401K.
Corporations paying taxes is the worst economic policy I have heard of. It intentionally puts US companies at a competitive disadvantage. I cannot fault multinational corporations for paying as little as possible. They are competing with international companies.
I am not sure what part of this you are wanting me to read here? I understand what tax shelters are.
You said the middle class was getting beat to death becuase the poor and super rich were not paying taxes.
I suggested you look at actually collection statistics to see who was actually paying.
Then you said the piece about multi-national corps and their executives knowing how to avoid taxes. I wasn’t sure if you meant the individual executives not paying taxes or they were mearly acting on behalf of the corp and the corp was the only one not paying the tax. Either way, I don’t see how this effects the middle class.
Let’s take a step back. How do you define middle class? What do multinational corportations have to do with the fleecing of the middle class?[/quote]
I am talking about people and Corps. that use tax shelters, Legal and not
Working middle class $30, 000 and up
Middle class $50, and up
Upper middle class $150, and down
This would change with geography
The true wealthy I am speaking of are probably a half Mill and up( I am speaking anual income )