[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
We do know the effect of going in before we knew whether or not they had WMD’s. They did not ultimately and our justification for that action was completely lost at that point. We had an opportunity to wait for confirmation before acting and we ignored it.
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Here’s the thing, and I know it’s going to sound full retard, but it’s the truth.
Iraq had chemical weapons and I know people that they were used on. You will never hear about it in the news or official acknowledgement by our gov. but people were and are currently being treated for “Gulf War Syndrome” which just so happens to match very closely with the symptoms of having been hit with nerve gas.
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That’s a stretch and more likely the result of the use of depleted uranium weapons. So what if Iraq did use VX or sarin nerve agent? People are irrationally afraid of chemical weapons because of how they kill their victims. They get lumped into the WMD category not because of their capability, but by virtue of being unconventional. WMD itself is a political construct that has no place in positivist analysis. Chemical, Biological, Radiological, and Nuclear weapons (CBRNs) is the metric that should be standard terminology.[/quote]
Chemical weapons have always been included in the term WMD.
We didn’t go into Iraq because of the immediate purported possession of nuclear weapons; we went in because of chems and bios. The chems WERE most certainly beyond a shadow of a doubt possessed AND used by Saddam Hussein.
The bios? By their own admission they claimed they had them.[/quote]
We went in there for the most hypocritical, ass-backwards reason possible: your weapons don’t kill massive amounts of people the way they’re supposed to. Who the fuck cares what kinds of weapons Saddam had? As if we’ve never used chemical weapons to kill people. I think our usage of Agent Orange and napalm in Vietnam pretty much invalidates any concern we have over people using chemical weapons.
I’ve said it once and I’ll continue to say so. The U.S. going after ANYONE for the types of weapons that someone uses is a farce. Who fucking cares HOW you kill a shitload of people? The biggest weapons of mass destruction ever used in the history of mankind were the two bombs dropped in Japan. Were we wrong to do so? No. Aren’t all weapons supposed to kill as many people as possible?[/quote]
Sure thing, Bert.
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Hey, be flippant about it all you want, push. The bottom line is that I think people are starting to get REALLY sick and tired of the hypocritical bullshit being spouted by this country.
We claim to stand for sovereignty and all that, but that is a complete load of shit. What if Taiwan one day said, “You know what? We’re going to exert our sovereignty and demand that the U.S. remove its massive military presence from our island.” What if South Korea said one day, “Gee, I think it would make more sense for us to allow Chinese troops along our northern border instead of U.S. troops.”
Would we allow them to exert that sort of sovereignty? Of course not. I could handle all of this shit much better if people didn’t continually try to take the self-righteous high road, as if I’m too fucking stupid to realize the staggering double standard involved.
I suppose I’m just sick and tired of hearing certain conservatives rant and rave about how the gov’t can’t fix anything at all, and then turn around and advocate a gov’t-led military response.
And quite frankly, how does ANY of this really affect us at all? What does the Ukraine have to do with the unemployment rate, or income gaps, or manufacturing jobs, or natural gas extraction, or cheaper, better health care, or a stronger education system?
You know what this country reminds me of when this sort of shit happens? It reminds me of one of my students. This student is the nosiest teenaged girl I have ever seen. She can barely write a sentence with proper subject/verb agreement, yet she is CONSTANTLY pointing out everything that everyone else in the class does. Every single day, she raises her hand to basically rat out a student for talking or doodling or whatever, and she’s bombing out of my class because it’s a struggle for her to spell her own fucking name. I just tell her to stop tattling and worry about what she can control and only what she can control.
I think this country needs to do the same. We have all sorts of domestic issues here that need attending to. We spend about half our budget on entitlement programs, most of what’s leftover on a military that is grossly misused, and we stand here telling everyone else how to wipe their asses even though we have shit running right down our own fucking legs.
I’m just sick of hearing about everything that’s wrong in the world and how it’s the U.S.'s responsibility to fix everything. How about spending some time on US for a change? How about fixing everything here first? How about repairing the fucking roads in California and Texas and Kentucky and Massachusetts instead of the ones in motherfucking Fallujah and Tikrit? How about improving the infrastructure of this country instead of those pedophiliac dope fiends over in Afghanistan? How about putting serious effort into improving the education system here instead of wasting money teaching some goat-fucking inbred in the middle of the Swat Valley how to grow better beets or whatever?
Huh??? HOW ABOUT FIXING THE FUCKING UNITED STATES INSTEAD OF STICKING OUR NOSES AND OUR MONEY AND OUR MOTHERFUCKING SOLDIERS INTO EVERYBODY ELSE’S SHIT? HUH, PUSH? WHAT’S THE FUCKING EXCUSE FOR SENDING AMERICANS TO DIE OVER THERE THIS TIME??? ARE YOU GOING TO SEND YOUR FUCKING KID OVER THERE TO GET HIS GODDAMNED BALLS BLOWN OFF OVER SOME GODDAMNED FUCKING WORD LIKE “SOVEREIGNTY”? ARE YOU WILLING TO RISK A FUCKING SHOOTING WAR WITH THE RUSKIES OVER SOME OUTBACK SHITHOLE LIKE THE UKRAINE?
I don’t think you do. In fact, I pretty much know you don’t, especially since you haven’t actually advocated a military response over there. But what happens when/if Putin rolls into eastern Ukraine next? Then what? Will you still be taking the isolationist stance?