I’ll bet I’d have the same experience brother. I just ran some dbol for the first time because I’ve seen so many positive comments about it including from you. We may not talk much flip but I pay pretty close attention to what you say. I didnt enjoy it at all. I dont know if its bunk (not likely) or if I’m just not doing it right but it wasnt what I thought it would be.
I know a few guys who don’t like dbol. It happens. The few guys I know who don’t like it tend to like anadrol. Most people I talk to either like one or the other, rarely both. Which is actually why it took me so long to even try anadrol. I just assumed I’d hate it.
What is your take on anadrol? My buddy that’s on tren riggt now keeps telling me to try anadrol.
it’s good for strength. I ran it in combination with dbol, and really liked it. I didn’t experience any side effects. I ran it up to 100mg/day
the gear that surprised me, and I was looking for someone else to mention this and no one did, was proviron.
let me explain, I ran a 12 week 600 mg test e cycle kickstarted with dbol 40 mg…cool
but I didn’t ever mention proviron with which I ran from day one at 50 mg, 25mg morning 25 dinner or whenever I just wasn’t that particular about the 2nd dose, but always the first… I ran out of it week 8, and I just gained so much weight…real time…rookie…that scale gave me this “high” but reality at week 12 and my bodyfat and other measurement scale wasn’t that cool. I logged my weights and reps, my meals (mostly shakes that included non protein powder shit) but I just got this weight sure mid 9th week…it was bloat…I still took my adex, but I wont run another cycle without proviron.
I just wondered if anyone ever noticed this…90% of what I can google is negative, its like comparing aspirin to alchohol……great threat guys its cool love it thanks for jumping in.
MASTERON.
Even with average body fat percentages this compound was amazing. I used to run Tren E fairly often along side Test but when I threw this compound in the mix…holy shit. I can’t say it did much performance wise, because with test at 800 and Tren at 300 the affects were already crazy so all the benefits of the Masterson may have been overshadowed. But as far as the way I looked, I’ve never looked that good before, nowhere near it. Hard, dry and full. Another thing I noticed on this cycle was I seemed to have a little more leeway with diet than usual.
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I run it just like any other enanthate or cypionate ester, it’s attached to cypionate. I always target 12 weeks but in the past with premade stuff sometimes I only got 9.5 shots out of a 10cc bottle so 12 weeks was sometimes only 10.5 or 11 weeks.
Technically primo is dihydroboldonone but with a methelation added along with an ester. I don’t think the methelation they added is the same as the 17aa they do to most orals but I don’t know. They always say primo is non toxic even in oral form yet it has a methelation. If only I was a biologist or chemist or pharmacist then I could possibly understand.
The saying for 1-test or dhb is it is weak tren or strong primo and that’s holds true from my experience. Although I do not know for sure that the primo I ran was actually primo, maybe I should invest in a test kit rather than more powder for home brew.
There is a guy on utube that is willing to coach you or give you his hook up for “re labeled human grade dhb” for like $100. DHB was never a human grade compound outside of testing (if it was ever tested on humans, idk) so any source that has it got the powder from a supplier that supplies UGLs. Now the suppliers could have very high production standards and it technically could be at a level where it would pass human grade standards but it still wouldn’t be human grade. So don’t go pay that guy for his “re labeled human grade dhb” source. Heck with how not common dhb is I would not be surprised to find out it all comes from the same manufacturer.
lol I saw that too ill take my chances buying something 100 bucks get the fuck outta here, I should pay him that to spare everyone else, and post it in the comments of that same video haha…
The one lab I know of with tested DHB is an absolute dumpster fire made up of security risks, brewer and reshipper arrests, and constant screw-ups. As such I resigned myself to not getting to try it. It’s a bummer, because it sounds amazing.
god damn the way you described it I should know who it is lol
was this after a cycle?
No they were my natty numbers before TRT and before blasting.
god damn your lipids look worse than mine do right now and I was worried I just got this bloodwork back]
trigclycerides 252
cholesterol 191
vldl 50
hdl 58
ldl 83
total test 987 lol that’s at 150 mg of test e per week and .5 adex total weekly
free test 43
need to lower that but these are my pre cycle numbers and first bloods I actually thought I might
not be okay to go on but seeing your numbers they don’t seem all that bad, no offense
I know this is an old thread, but I found it interesting. Just in case anyone is curious:
You’re correct, it’s not the same. The methylation is at the C-1 position, which helps stabilize the alkene between C-1 and C-2. This blocks conversion of the compound by 3α-Hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase to a deactivated form, allowing it to act like DHT at androgen receptors, making it highly anabolic.
You’re thinking of drostanolone. Primo is on a DHB frame, it would appear DHB doesn’t have affinity for the 3a-HSD enzyme.
Both have the methylation at the c-1 position. For mast it serves to protect the compound against 3a-hsd in skeletal muscle. As for primo, DHB would actually appear to be a stronger product all round.
No, drostanolone has the methyl at C-2 and no alkene. And yes, from what I’ve read, primo has no affinity, due to that stabilized alkene.
Whoops, got confused.
Primo is proviron on a DHB frame
Could you send me some literature regarding this. I didn’t think dihydroboldenone had affinity for 3a-hsd. Primo is 1a methyl dihydroboldenone. Proviron on the other hand is susceptible to deactivation via 3a-hsd in skeletal muscle.
Correct, it does not. That’s because of that 1-ene. For primo, the methyl helps stabilize the alkene due to the steric hindrance it offers, and its overall lower enthalpy of formation (substituted alkenes are more thermodynamically stable than non-substituted). The source is here:
https://www.cjoint.com/doc/16_07/FGfxBZi3Tdu_William-Llewellyn-s-Anabolics.pdf
Look on pages 104-105.
Winstrol. Before I knew better I thought it was some weak “cutting” drug. Well, turns out there’s a reason it’s so heavily used in speed strength sports. It is powerful at generating lean tissue and one of the best compounds for strength due to the potent neurological benefits