It’s not for me, but what do you guys think about this.
Weeks 1-4 - 1g Test E, 600mg’s Deca, 50mg’s dbol ED, 50mg’s proviron ED
Weeks 5-12 - 1g Test E, 600mg’s Deca, 50mg’s proviron ED
Weeks 13-14 - 1g Test E, 50mg’s proviron ED
Week 15 750mg’s test E, 50mg’s proviron
Week 16 500mg’s test E, 50mg’s proviron
Week 17 Back to cruising at 300mg’s Test E a week, 20-25mg’s proviron.
29 years old
6’ foot
215 lbs
8% bf (at its highest)
Experienced user, but these are the highest doses played with so far. He’s a “just in case” kind of guy when it comes to anti E’s but we have nolva/clomid/Letro/Arimidex on hand. Never had any bad estro related sides so far. I only worry about progesterone sides from the deca, but hopefully we won’t have any problems. What do you guys think? Anything you would change?
An effective way to shut down natural T production post-cycle.
The Proviron will do nothing except maybe a little better vascularity and some claim better sex drive. No gains though, and no effect in improving T, to say the least (actually it is suppressive.)
Also not everyone can take 600 mg/week Deca without mood problems; some can though. Presumably as you say from progestagenic effects.
Why not limit it to 8 weeks and not start back again until natural T production has been fully back for at least a week, bare minimum.
It’s not as if one can go 17 weeks straight at maximum results training-wise, either (except a novice trainer.)
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
An effective way to shut down natural T production post-cycle.
The Proviron will do nothing except maybe a little better vascularity and some claim better sex drive. No gains though, and no effect in improving T, to say the least (actually it is suppressive.)
Also not everyone can take 600 mg/week Deca without mood problems; some can though. Presumably as you say from progestagenic effects.
Why not limit it to 8 weeks and not start back again until natural T production has been fully back for at least a week, bare minimum.
It’s not as if one can go 17 weeks straight at maximum results training-wise, either (except a novice trainer.)[/quote]
The proviron is all him, he swears by test/proviron, which I guess is why he cruises on it at all times.
I have a hard time convincing people to come here and read up.
Anyhow I was actually thinking something like this would be better for him since he likes to “live” on.
(taking the deca out)
Weeks 1-4 (still cruising on 300mgs week test E) 100mg’s Test Prop ED, 40-50 mg’s Dbol
Week 5 100mg’s Test Prop ED only
Week 6 50mg’s Test prop ED only
Weeks 7-8 ???
Also when coming off, even using the taper… you recommend going off until natural test production returns, then begin cruising? Why? I mean I would understand why if he werent cruising forever, but otherwise.
Deca absolutely shut me down and I swore it off until I tried NPP. I still will not take a 19-nor without cabergoline (cabaser–generic brand). I believe in the long run EQ is far superior due the progesterone activity and I’m sure Bill will gladly back me up on this.
I personally like to have a DHT derivative in every cycle. Masteron/Proviron/winny really keep me feeling hard while on Test.
Yes, Deca can give inhibition problems moreso than typical probably because of progestagenic properties – progestins can shut down LH – and long time required to be eliminated from the body.
I think this is massive overkill, but hey, what ever tickles his spot. I don’t concider Proviron a good anti-E, though it will override deca-dick with a vengence. He needs to add some clomid or novaldex, or cut everything in half.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Yes, Deca can give inhibition problems moreso than typical probably because of progestagenic properties – progestins can shut down LH – and long time required to be eliminated from the body.[/quote]
Hey Bill, are yall still running articles on mesomorphasis.com or has that site pretty much been given up on. Last time I checked it just had steriod profiles on it and that’s about it.