[quote]JCS19Y wrote:
Yeah I take creatine. I eat that sh*t for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
Creatine… I f**kin shower in that sh*t.[/quote]
JAGER BOMBS! JAGER BOMBS
I am 35 and I have been using creatine my entire life. My father is 65 and he been using it his entire life. So far we haven’t seen any long term issues.
Christopher
P.S. Beef is delicious.
[quote]Kaizen08 wrote:
Thank you very much for a link to that article! Great read, will definitely show it to the fatass that kept going off on me in my face. (I don’t usually have a temper, but she just pushed me over the line).[/quote]
Creatine Roid Rage…
[quote]DJS wrote:
JCS19Y wrote:
I eat that sh*t for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
You eat Shit… for breakfast?[/quote]
Really?? REALLY???
This is soooo bad 
[quote]Kaizen08 wrote:
Thank you very much for a link to that article! Great read, will definitely show it to the fatass that kept going off on me in my face. (I don’t usually have a temper, but she just pushed me over the line).[/quote]
no probs.
As far as long term studies go - Creatine supplementation has been around since, what, 1992? And in the 17 years since I can’t find a single case of anything detrimental happening because of someone ingesting creatine.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Kaizen08 wrote:
She is actually pretty chubby, and old as well.
And no, creatine is not a steroid at all. It differs greatly in structure, as well as in effect. A steroid also can directly effect DNA synthesis. Creatine is a nitrogenous organic acid that simply is used as a storage sight for high energy phosphate bonds. In layman’s terms, they affect performance by very different mechanisms. Does anyone have anything productive to add to this convo please? I’d appreciate it much =)
The other guys know creatine isn’t a steroid, lol. They were just pulling your doodle.
Anyway, creatine is of course found in red meat etc. so it’s not really a harmful substance as such. However since one of the markers for kidney damage is creatinine levels and since supplementing with creatine will elevate you excretion of creatinine, DRs used to think that supplementing with creatine = kidney damage.
This is not so. Creatine has been around as a sup for what, 15 years, so I doubt you will find a study longer than that, but have you actually looked in pubmed?
Finally, yes steroids do affect protein synthesis, through transcription and mRNA, etc, but they DO NOT alter or change your DNA.
If they did, then steroids would be classed as a mutagen, and this is most definitely not the case.
BBB[/quote]
This for the most part is my thoughts as well. I have a degree in exercise/health and I have had a few professors that thought creatine was bad. I never cared becasue I have been taking it since I was 15, now 29, and i have seen the results.
Like BBB said it is found in red meat. It is not a forgein made substance.
So have at it, it is not banned by the NCAA, NFL, or any other sports association that I know of.
I think it has only been around for maybe 20 years so you will not see any long term studies on it yet. Give it another 10 - 15 yearsand maybe there will be some.
Just started taking Creatine-E-E and it has made a huge difference to my work capacity in the gym.
Creatine mono has never done much for me except make me feel a bit dehydrated.
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
Carrots.[/quote]
i’ve no idea why that made me burst out laughing, but laugh i did.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Kaizen08 wrote:
She is actually pretty chubby, and old as well.
And no, creatine is not a steroid at all. It differs greatly in structure, as well as in effect. A steroid also can directly effect DNA synthesis. Creatine is a nitrogenous organic acid that simply is used as a storage sight for high energy phosphate bonds. In layman’s terms, they affect performance by very different mechanisms. Does anyone have anything productive to add to this convo please? I’d appreciate it much =)
The other guys know creatine isn’t a steroid, lol. They were just pulling your doodle.
Anyway, creatine is of course found in red meat etc. so it’s not really a harmful substance as such. However since one of the markers for kidney damage is creatinine levels and since supplementing with creatine will elevate you excretion of creatinine, DRs used to think that supplementing with creatine = kidney damage.
This is not so. Creatine has been around as a sup for what, 15 years, so I doubt you will find a study longer than that, but have you actually looked in pubmed?
Finally, yes steroids do affect protein synthesis, through transcription and mRNA, etc, but they DO NOT alter or change your DNA.
If they did, then steroids would be classed as a mutagen, and this is most definitely not the case.
BBB[/quote]
You’re worth your weight in creatine, err, gold, you know that?
[quote]Kaizen08 wrote:
I’m currently taking a Physiology of Exercise class, and the professor seems to have a bad taste in Creatine. Not literally, but you get the idea. In the lecture, she gives us graphs from a study showing it does improve performance (20g for 6 days, then 2g per day afterwards) in strength activities.
Then she goes to say that there are no known long-term effects, but thats because ingestion of creatine hasn’t been studied on a long-term basis yet at such high supplemented levels. Her tone makes it sound like she isnt a bit fan of it.
Now ive been recently supplementing with creatine for the past month, and walked up to her after class and asked some questions. She starts talking to me as if it were a steriod. I took in her opinion, but she seems so one-sided, that I’m not even gonna consider it. I understand the biochemistry of it quite well.
So, I ask you guys, what do you think about creatine? Does anyone know of any long term studies that I can take alook at? Anyone have any experiences they would like to share that they could attribute it specifically to the use of creatine?[/quote]
My gf does biomedical science,I take creatine shes gave me the science behind it.Basically altough no long term studies have been done there cant possibly be anything wrong with it as its natural.Her ex-lecturers and work colleages all agree.
[quote]Brant_Drake wrote:
And in the 17 years since I can’t find a single case of anything detrimental happening because of someone ingesting creatine.
[/quote]
Show some respect for the health and fortune of our rodent friends.
[quote]
Am J Kidney Dis. 2001 Jan;37(1):73-78. Links
Creatine supplementation increases renal disease progression in Han:SPRD-Cy rats.Edmunds JW, Jayapalan S, DiMarco NM, Saboorian MH, Aukema HM.
Department of Nutrition and Food Sciences and the Center for Research on Women’s Health, Texas Woman’s University, Denton, USA.
The growing use of creatine as a potential ergogenic aid among active individuals has raised concern regarding its effects on the kidney, particularly among those individuals with compromised renal function. The object of this study is to investigate the effects of oral creatine supplementation in an accepted animal model of renal cystic disease. Han:Sprague-Dawley (SPRD)-Cy rats with cystic kidney disease were administered a creatine supplement at a loading dose of 2.0 g/kg of diet for 1 week, followed by 5 weeks during which the dose was one fifth this amount, mimicking typical human consumption on a body-weight basis. Cystic kidney disease progression was assessed by measuring kidney size and fluid content and determining cyst scores. Renal function was assessed by measuring serum urea and creatinine concentrations and creatinine clearance. Creatine supplementation resulted in greater cyst growth and worsened renal function in the Han:SPRD-Cy rat, evidenced by greater kidney weights (2.87 +/- 0.08 versus 2.61 +/- 0.09 g/100 g of body weight; P: = 0.0365), renal fluid contents (89.22 +/- 0.41 versus 87.38 +/- 0.48 g/100 g of kidney weight; P: = 0.0057), cyst scores (0.49 +/- 0.02 versus 0.40 +/- 0.03; P: = 0.0167) and serum urea concentrations (23.96 +/- 0.92 versus 20.65 +/- 1.06 mmol/L; P: = 0.0230), and lower creatinine clearances (0.125 +/- 0.098 versus 0.162 +/- 0.011 mL/min/100 g of body weight; P: = 0.0159). These results indicate that creatine supplements may exacerbate disease progression in an animal model of cystic renal disease. Although systematic research of the effects of creatine supplementation in humans with compromised renal function is awaited, it follows that creatine should be used with particular caution in individuals with or at risk for renal disease.[/quote]
Thank you.
Looks like I just got pwned.
Damn rats.
[quote]Brant_Drake wrote:
Looks like I just got pwned.
Damn rats.[/quote]
No need to feel bad about it. I bet their physiology professor warned them. Stubborn critters.
[quote]redgladiator wrote:
DJS wrote:
JCS19Y wrote:
I eat that sh*t for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
You eat Shit… for breakfast?
Really?? REALLY???
This is soooo bad ;)[/quote]
not just for breakfast, shit for lunch and dinner as well!!
are those doses in the study on a daily or weekly basis?
I’m a non responder to that white powder. I’d like to try the other white powder tough.