Again (for both you and @loppar…and thanks for the reply!)…were there not many hellacious female snipers in the Soviet Army during WW-2?
yes! Lyudmilia Pavlichenko is my personal hero- a history major too!
I honestly want to own her original rifle
There were also the “night witches”, who bombed the crap out of German units
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Hey, guys!
Like I said at the beginning…I was MORE than happy with having this thread go “off-track” because even the metal discussions are part of that getting to a “new norm”. (…and when it comes to history; I always have to catch @loppar, @thunderbolt23…and now @anna_5588 and others when the opportunity presents itself. When I stop learning something from you guys; even if it’s how not to be such a prick; is when I’m gone!)
So… “off-track” is still cool!
I do want to get back to this one, though.
Opening Colleges, Universities and Grade Schools…Concerts…Sporting Events…Theme Parks…Commercial Flying…
These are all proving to be much harder things to bring back to some “norm” than many thought. Two things are being knocked around that I’d like you guys thoughts on:
- You slowly, but methodically ramp up numbers allowed (Note: That would be VERY tough to do with Schools and Universities it would seem. And for Concerts; what promoter or entertainer is going to take that kind of financial risk?).
- Go for it. Things get risk-stratified; and we make our own decisions on the risk we are willing to take.
Have you guys heard any other ideas being knocked around?
I personally think an online university model will be more common in the new normal.
IMO, the cost of having schools closed far exceeds the cost of having them open. In my state at least, schools provide social services that are required for society to function. An online alternative is not viable, long term.
If this turns out to be true, I see community colleges winning over more students. I think many of the colleges that have the experience baked into the price will see declines.
If I am a freshman, I am doing my online courses somewhere cheap, and then transferring once the expensive school is the only place offering the courses I need to get my degree.
Maybe the expensive schools with start not accepting transfer credits or something to get people to go to their school for the first couple years instead of transferring.
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If this is true, then the beautiful expensive buildings won’t be required. The operational costs are significant.
I did my first years at a CC. I have no complaints and tell everyone they should do this.
I wonder if overall college enrollment will drop. In my estimation, many go for the experience (especially if parents are paying). Many drop out after a semester or two. Colleges make a lot of money off of this group of people.
3 years myself at a CC trying to figure out what I wanted to do. Transferred to the big school once I couldn’t go any further where I was. It was a great experience for me. I think for myself that CC really helped me not get distracted (party) and learn to do the work.
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I can confirm as others have that our fast food joints have been hopping this entire time. I don’t live in a huge town but we have about 11 fast food places and the lines are almost always out to the streets anytime I drive by.
I don’t know how the mom and pop places have been making out in this or the Applebee’s type places as seeing a “line” in those places is more difficult. I’m not aware of any restaurant in our town that isn’t offering a stop in pickup or delivery option. I would assume many of these eating places here have done very well. It’s incredibly unlikely to me that people are driving 20 or 30 minutes away from here to get different food than we can offer.
I wouldn’t be shocked if most of our fast food places haven’t seen more sales and I would assume costs are lower with needing less people to take care of dining areas and work up front.
This is a very interesting point, @mnben87.
In many ways you are paying for both an education and an “experience” at many Colleges and Universities. Eliminate the “experience” (Sports; College Living; parties; being surrounded by young, hot men and women, etc.); it then becomes a somewhat expensive online university that in many ways isn’t much different from the Community College.
I have a couple of colleagues now who are considering not paying a “premium” price if their kids Universities go online in the Fall (in their cases, USC and U-Dub). College Presidents, Regents and Boards are really earning their money with this Pandemic.
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Not exactly. The online educational experience (not “college” experience) is different. It’s inferior. Take away sports, parties, frats, etc., and the classroom experience is still superior to online learning.
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In my state the University is about 3x the cost the community college. If the credits transfer, and the experience is the same, I can’t help but think people will have the incentive to hold off for a couple of years on the expensive school. I thought it was the wise decision even without the incentives.
I’m thinking if this is the new norm, that perhaps credits will change in a way so they can’t transfer. Not for any academic reason, but for an income reason.
I don’t know what private universities can do with regard to transfer credits but usually all of the state schools within a state are part of one system so they have no choice but to accept credits from within that system.
I mostly agree with that, @zecarlo.
The only exception I would make is that the difference in the superiority between the classroom experience and online learning begins to diminish as the classes become larger.
With that said, I still mostly agree.
In some introductory classes that’s true. However, in some large lectures there are meetings of students in smaller groups outside of the lecture hall.
The thing about an actual classroom, and this applies to secondary school as well, is that you learn how to give opinions, present cases and make arguments in front of actual people who then have to reply with constructive criticism (not internet trolling) again, in front of actual people. You learn interpersonal communication skills that you don’t get from the internet. You also learn that not everyone has to agree with you and you can’t respond with, “you’re a Nazi” or “you’re a racist” without a solid argument behind it.
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Agree 100%.
I know one of my athletes was doing that in his home state to keep bills paid.
This is exactly the conversation being had in my university and many others. They ate at the trough of abundant Federal student loan money and expanded dead weight dramatically, don’t have any efficiency in operation or administration departments, are already over extended, and are stuck in a university model that had its heyday in the first 7 decades of the 1900s.
That’s exactly what’s going to happen. I see the big Ivy League schools coming out of this relatively untouched (compared to the rest of them, especially State schools) because a) they’re private, b) because they’re private they had much more control on what they do and don’t want from a strategic perspective and c) the name still carries a ton of weight.
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I see this as likely, but not for the same reason. The demographics are not friendly to colleges with 18 and unders being less numerous than previous generations.
I believe this to be completely true, but universities cannot make ends meet this way. At least not the way most of them are set up with online. It’s a numbers game and they need the numbers. And if I’m a freshman I am not paying that kind of money for an online experience.
I know Stanford will be fine no matter what. Pretty much gives a full ride to anyone who gets in… cause you have to be world class at something to get in, and their endowment is so mindbogglingly large that when Phil Knight gifted them the same amount he gifted Oregon, it didn’t make news.
IME the big difference between University and CC was the quality of students and their motivation level. As a generalization, i was around the kind of kids who didnt take school very seriously when i took classes at my local JC, and would bet they didnt go on to be very succesful. At my state university, i was around kids who liked to party, sure, but they also already exhibited succesful habits and made sure they kept good grades or daddy’s friend wouldnt give them a job. It was also really easy to form study groups at University because everyone lived within walking distance of each other and was interested in learning the material. The quality of teaching is likely very different between the two, but my experience was that i am a terrible classroom lecture learner, and engineering is engineering whether its taught at Stanford or the local JC so it was a wash for me.
I would struggle if i had to do online learning and didnt have TA office hours, and study groups to lean on. I certainly wouldn’t have made it through engineering.
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Apparently Harvard s endowment alone has them covered for the next 10 years or something ridiculous like that
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