What Do We Owe to Others?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]phaethon wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]phaethon wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]phaethon wrote:

…obesity is often a result of being victimized by external forces and evildoers…

[/quote]

Oh my, I couldn’t pass this one up.
[/quote]

Well it is. Over eating is a well known coping measure.[/quote]

And armed rebellion is a well known coping measure when feeling overtaxed.

I guess this too would be alright then, yes?[/quote]

I don’t think it is ok to be obese.[/quote]

That is not the point.

We have a system now that allows you to be obese.

That is nothing short of a miracle.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]phaethon wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]phaethon wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]phaethon wrote:

…obesity is often a result of being victimized by external forces and evildoers…

[/quote]

Oh my, I couldn’t pass this one up.
[/quote]

Well it is. Over eating is a well known coping measure.[/quote]

And armed rebellion is a well known coping measure when feeling overtaxed.

I guess this too would be alright then, yes?[/quote]

I don’t think it is ok to be obese.[/quote]

That is not the point.

We have a system now that allows you to be obese.

That is nothing short of a miracle.

[/quote]

Because scientists developed a slightly-worse-for-you form of sugar, the government funded the overproduction of said sugar source, and that sugar was pumped into nearly every food in America?

Thats miraculous?

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]phaethon wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]phaethon wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]phaethon wrote:

…obesity is often a result of being victimized by external forces and evildoers…

[/quote]

Oh my, I couldn’t pass this one up.
[/quote]

Well it is. Over eating is a well known coping measure.[/quote]

And armed rebellion is a well known coping measure when feeling overtaxed.

I guess this too would be alright then, yes?[/quote]

I don’t think it is ok to be obese.[/quote]

That is not the point.

We have a system now that allows you to be obese.

That is nothing short of a miracle.

[/quote]

Because scientists developed a slightly-worse-for-you form of sugar, the government funded the overproduction of said sugar source, and that sugar was pumped into nearly every food in America?

Thats miraculous? [/quote]

Yes, but even better is the abundance of food.

Until very, very recently human life primarily was centered around getting enough to eat.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]phaethon wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
So in other words, you WEREN’T quoting T-bolt. Get your story straight, man.[/quote]

I was quoting T-bolt. I quoted his comments on the issue and then replied using the same language he was using. Hence the use of evildoer etc.[/quote]

No, you replied with different language.

He said, “Our overweight culture - predicated on simple overindulgence - isn’t a result of being “victimized” by external forces and evildoers in the fast food industry.”

You said, “Obesity is often a result of being victimized by external forces and evildoers.”

Your statement is not a quote of his. Your statement is 180 degrees of his. That means you were NOT quoting him.[/quote]

Holy fucking shit Push,

HE BORROWED THE FUCKING LANGUAGE FROM THUNDERBOLT.

God damn am I tired of watching your stupid ass split hairs over the difference between “quoted” and “borrowed sentence structure and word choice from”.

Of course, those asshat “gold bars” aren’t as funny when you understand that he only used the term “evildoers” because he was using language borrowed from Thunderbolts post.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]phaethon wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]phaethon wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]phaethon wrote:

…obesity is often a result of being victimized by external forces and evildoers…

[/quote]

Oh my, I couldn’t pass this one up.
[/quote]

Well it is. Over eating is a well known coping measure.[/quote]

And armed rebellion is a well known coping measure when feeling overtaxed.

I guess this too would be alright then, yes?[/quote]

I don’t think it is ok to be obese.[/quote]

That is not the point.

We have a system now that allows you to be obese.

That is nothing short of a miracle.

[/quote]

Because scientists developed a slightly-worse-for-you form of sugar, the government funded the overproduction of said sugar source, and that sugar was pumped into nearly every food in America?

Thats miraculous? [/quote]

Yes, but even better is the abundance of food.

Until very, very recently human life primarily was centered around getting enough to eat.[/quote]

Ya know, the more I look at it the more I question the whole “Fat people just eat too many calories” thing.

The fact that a person is overweight, especially in America, rarely points to them overeating protein sources, vegetables, oils, etc - you’re going to get fatter eating McDonalds twice a day than you will on the Greenface diet, even if you’re consuming more calories in the latter.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]phaethon wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]phaethon wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]phaethon wrote:

…obesity is often a result of being victimized by external forces and evildoers…

[/quote]

Oh my, I couldn’t pass this one up.
[/quote]

Well it is. Over eating is a well known coping measure.[/quote]

And armed rebellion is a well known coping measure when feeling overtaxed.

I guess this too would be alright then, yes?[/quote]

I don’t think it is ok to be obese.[/quote]

That is not the point.

We have a system now that allows you to be obese.

That is nothing short of a miracle.

[/quote]

Because scientists developed a slightly-worse-for-you form of sugar, the government funded the overproduction of said sugar source, and that sugar was pumped into nearly every food in America?

Thats miraculous? [/quote]

Yes, but even better is the abundance of food.

Until very, very recently human life primarily was centered around getting enough to eat.[/quote]

Ya know, the more I look at it the more I question the whole “Fat people just eat too many calories” thing.

The fact that a person is overweight, especially in America, rarely points to them overeating protein sources, vegetables, oils, etc - you’re going to get fatter eating McDonalds twice a day than you will on the Greenface diet, even if you’re consuming more calories in the latter.[/quote]

True, and a concerted government action to vilify saturated fat and replace it with carbohydrates, transfats and the like did not help.

Does not change that it is next to impossible to starve in the US, which is a marvelous achievement.

Anyhow, you get a government that is hell bent on social engineering and it will fuck you in all kinds of ways, what did you expect?

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Wow, you guys really like to split hairs.

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The same government that bans transfats in fast food… and wants to continue more food regulation… bans Amish farmers from selling unprocessed milk to willing consumers under the guise of the interstate commerce act…is the one heavily influenced by the corn-agro lobbyists. They are the best in the business.

Now with all those subsidies to the corn industry, its no wonder high fructose corn syrup is in everything. Not to mention the government bulk shit they feed our kids in schools in the name of “healthy nutrition”.

Is consumer choice involved in the failures of diet? Certainly, but the gubbamint doesnt make it any easier with hypocritical actions. I wish more people knew the real influence that these agro lobbies have.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]phaethon wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]phaethon wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]phaethon wrote:

…obesity is often a result of being victimized by external forces and evildoers…

[/quote]

Oh my, I couldn’t pass this one up.
[/quote]

Well it is. Over eating is a well known coping measure.[/quote]

And armed rebellion is a well known coping measure when feeling overtaxed.

I guess this too would be alright then, yes?[/quote]

I don’t think it is ok to be obese.[/quote]

That is not the point.

We have a system now that allows you to be obese.

That is nothing short of a miracle.

[/quote]

Because scientists developed a slightly-worse-for-you form of sugar, the government funded the overproduction of said sugar source, and that sugar was pumped into nearly every food in America?

Thats miraculous? [/quote]

Yes, but even better is the abundance of food.

Until very, very recently human life primarily was centered around getting enough to eat.[/quote]

Ya know, the more I look at it the more I question the whole “Fat people just eat too many calories” thing.

The fact that a person is overweight, especially in America, rarely points to them overeating protein sources, vegetables, oils, etc - you’re going to get fatter eating McDonalds twice a day than you will on the Greenface diet, even if you’re consuming more calories in the latter.[/quote]

True, and a concerted government action to vilify saturated fat and replace it with carbohydrates, transfats and the like did not help.

Does not change that it is next to impossible to starve in the US, which is a marvelous achievement.

Anyhow, you get a government that is hell bent on social engineering and it will fuck you in all kinds of ways, what did you expect?
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That’s true, about it being next to impossible to starve.

But your first comment goes along with what I was saying earlier - most people, under Y circumstance, will do X. So the people responsible for setting up the circumstance are, in part, responsible for the outcome.

Under circumstance Y, where the government and media popularize the idea that all fat is bad and suggest filling the diet with carbohydrates, people will do X - eat less fats and lots more carbohydrates.

Under the circumstance of having a McDonalds, Burger King, Wendys, Sonic, and KFC on every corner, most people are going to eat it. So just as much as there is “personal responsibility”, you can’t just absolve the people who set up the conditions for people to eat like shit.

666Rich makes a good point - a LOT of it comes from lobbyists.

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Can we go after Hollywood and the music industry for moral decay? Fit or fat, fat or fit, hard to get out of poverty as a teenaged single mother of multiple children from multiple men.

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Wow how about no matter what, the choice is always yours. Even if there is a loaded gun to your head, the choice is still yours, it is your decision.

If you are fat, it is your choice, no one else’s.

So you can spend $5 and get fast food or $5 and get some brown rice and couple can’s of tuna. You choose one cuz it makes you feel better, your choice no one elses. You are responsible for the consequences, no one else very simple.

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[quote]666Rich wrote:
The same government that bans transfats in fast food… and wants to continue more food regulation… bans Amish farmers from selling unprocessed milk to willing consumers under the guise of the interstate commerce act…is the one heavily influenced by the corn-agro lobbyists. They are the best in the business.

Now with all those subsidies to the corn industry, its no wonder high fructose corn syrup is in everything. Not to mention the government bulk shit they feed our kids in schools in the name of “healthy nutrition”.

Is consumer choice involved in the failures of diet? Certainly, but the gubbamint doesnt make it any easier with hypocritical actions. I wish more people knew the real influence that these agro lobbies have.[/quote]

I see it a different way, Agriculture actually suffers from these subsidies and price controls. By participating they are actually getting less then could if people actually had to pay what it really costs for their food. The government uses it as a tool to control the majority of the population, they use taxpayer money to ensure people are fed and not ready for revolt. They use the lobby to control up start farmers and small communities. I have seen it first hand. They pay the farmers to increase or decrease food production depending on the results they want from the citizens.

Think it is just happen stance there was huge decrease in production this year, to decrease the supply and increase costs going into an election year where big government progressives could be in serious trouble and at a time they want to cause social unrest in the country.

This is why the government needs to stay out of these things, things are going to get interesting over the next 12 to 15 months.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:
Wow how about no matter what, the choice is always yours. Even if there is a loaded gun to your head, the choice is still yours, it is your decision.

If you are fat, it is your choice, no one else’s.

So you can spend $5 and get fast food or $5 and get some brown rice and couple can’s of tuna. You choose one cuz it makes you feel better, your choice no one elses. You are responsible for the consequences, no one else very simple.

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I guess you don’t get their point, buddy! An evildoer is standing there with sword or gun forcing them to turn left into McDonald’s instead of right into Safeway.[/quote]

I understand their point, but even if there literally was someone there with a gun saying eat this or I kill you (“kid’s blow up so fast these days, silence I kill you”, sorry had to) ultimately the choice to eat or not and deal with either set of consequences is yours.

Every decision we make has influences, some stronger then others, but in the end it is ultimately our choice our decision we own it, no one else. Not society, not the fast food industry, not the government. And anyone who tries to argue else wise is ignorant to reality.

It is like using lethal force in self defense, ultimately I made the choice and am accountable for whatever consequences there are. Now luckily in most states they are sensible enough to realize it is justified and there are no negative consequences, but I am still responsible for my action.

But these retards try to say we have no concept of social interactions or behavioral cues, FU. Care to ask my grad prof’s if I do or don’t . No you don’t you will go ask your philosophy professor instead of actual accredited scientist. You don’ ask a mechanic about heart problems, but I guess to a progressive social democrat it would be a good idea.

Sorry for the rant push, was directed at these fvks trying to push their imperial will on everyone else. trying to strip us of our rights and force their beliefs on us.

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and now we can all have higher health care premiums as a result of this!

Everything that is smart (savings, not running up debt, being fit and healthy) is basically punished in this country on the individual and large scale.

Pretty much all of these issues have been discussed at some point in this thread, but the implications are frightening. Parasitic society that loses its hosts.

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Could be good, let the system reset itself.