[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Why is Detroit in Ruins?
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Some one makes a biased movie considering half the facts , that is real journalism (not)
[quote]spyoptic wrote:
[quote]3hitter wrote:
I’m not sure how to ask this without coming off racist so here goes. When America was “great” What were the nationalities of the majority? Who built this country and industry? Who looked for handouts? Compare that to today. Not trying to be a jerk I’m just looking for a trend.[/quote]
It has nothing to do with race. Today’s race means less and less while social classes are becoming more stratified. besides, Race is a human-made concept - each “race” of human is genetically identical. The difference is how a person is raised, what schools he goes to, who he modeled his behavior to ect…
Back to social classes: Does the government represent the lower class or the upper class more? Who pays the most taxes? Who fights the wars? Whos more likely to go to jail? Whos more likely to go to college because their families can afford it? I think we agree that Whites and minorities live in different worlds - but more importantly, the Upper class and the masses live in a different world.[/quote]
The concept of classes is ambiguous. Secondly, the government represents the supposed working or lower classes. Even though I would be more inclined to say the government represents the labor unions than anyone else. I’d say that the corporations pay the most amount of taxes. I’m not sure what that war comment has to do with anything. Black people are more likely to go to jail, yet I am not sure how this has to do with anything. What does college have to do with anything?
We live in different worlds? Strange because last time I checked minorities had the same opportunities to accumulate as much wealth as anyone else. I still do not believe your assumption of class is anything more than ambiguity.
[quote]jonathangalinsky wrote:
briere, that sounds rough and I automatically respect anyone who has to go through that, but there is a pervasive flaw in what people are saying here, which I thought I addressed in my previous post. it is a MYTH, and frankly, a racist one that people in the inner city are the primary recipients of government aid. Southern, rural and suburban whites are the main recipients and the cencus figures bear this out. In other words, southern republican states mooch off the federal government the most. Before you respond, please check out this table Tax Foundation [/quote]
look who pays the most taxes ;).
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]spyoptic wrote:
[quote]3hitter wrote:
I’m not sure how to ask this without coming off racist so here goes. When America was “great” What were the nationalities of the majority? Who built this country and industry? Who looked for handouts? Compare that to today. Not trying to be a jerk I’m just looking for a trend.[/quote]
It has nothing to do with race. Today’s race means less and less while social classes are becoming more stratified. besides, Race is a human-made concept - each “race” of human is genetically identical. The difference is how a person is raised, what schools he goes to, who he modeled his behavior to ect…
Back to social classes: Does the government represent the lower class or the upper class more? Who pays the most taxes? Who fights the wars? Whos more likely to go to jail? Whos more likely to go to college because their families can afford it? I think we agree that Whites and minorities live in different worlds - but more importantly, the Upper class and the masses live in a different world.[/quote]
The concept of classes is ambiguous. Secondly, the government represents the supposed working or lower classes. Even though I would be more inclined to say the government represents the labor unions than anyone else. I’d say that the corporations pay the most amount of taxes. I’m not sure what that war comment has to do with anything. Black people are more likely to go to jail, yet I am not sure how this has to do with anything. What does college have to do with anything?
We live in different worlds? Strange because last time I checked minorities had the same opportunities to accumulate as much wealth as anyone else. I still do not believe your assumption of class is anything more than ambiguity.[/quote]
If you look at any politician’s past jobs, you’d find that they were all CEOs or on boards of big corporations, and once they get out of office, they go right back to those jobs. Also, their expensive campaigns are paid for by major corporations; so how are they representing the lower and working class? Since the 1970s and under Bush, the taxes of unearned incomes has been cut in half, while the taxes on earned incomes has skyrocketed - so how are corporations paying the most taxes?
The comments about war has to do with the original poster’s comment about race being a factor when it came down to the degredation of society. If we can agree that college is expensive, so that minorities are less likely to go to college, less likely to get well paying jobs and stuck in an endless cycle of working for low wages in order to pay for food and shelter - then the military becomes the best way out for minorities, so that they pay the heaviest price for the Government waging war. Now, if we can agree that today’s Economy controls Government policies, and that war is waged for profit, then the minorites and the military itself is a tool to make the rich even richer. You claim that everyone in America has the same chance of success here, but schools where minorities go to are less funded, college fees are made so that minority families can’t afford it, and major corporations hire direct family members or from their rich friends who were able to send their kids to luxurious private schools. I don’t feel social classes are ambiguous, they have too many variables for me to think about and they are constantly evolving, but your social class was pretty much stamped on your forehead the day you were born; so that you lived in a specific place, were taught at certain schools, were seen by certain doctors and lived by certain morals.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
Im black and ill be the first to say…poverty doesnt cause crime! If that was the case, West Virginia, being one of the poorest states in the nation, would be the most dangerous but West Virginia is mostly white and has one of the lowest crime rates in the country. Its a problem we blacks must deal with.
Every one of the cities on that list are majority black and when whites lived in the cities before they flocked to the suburbs the cities were in much better condition.
If poverty caused crime, black athletes and rappers, some of who come from poor backgrounds would suddenly stop committing crime once they get that million dollar contract, because at that point, theyre no longer poor. Yet we see multimillionaire black rappers and athletes still committing crimes.
We see the same pattern in Africa and the caribbean. When whites occupied the countries they at least had electricity, running water, and food, which the people they colonized benefited from as well.
As a race, we are at fault for alot of our own downfalls. Alot of whites are scared to point this out for fear of being labeled racist, so they give us black folks an excuse by saying we’re poor thats why we shoot each other over cell phones.[/quote]
Here we have Lifty and Orion’s long lost cousin. How can somebody capable of thinking this clearly on one hand go so waaaaay off on the other? This is a solid post man and 200 miles closer to a solution than Barack Obama will ever come.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
Im black and ill be the first to say…poverty doesnt cause crime! If that was the case, West Virginia, being one of the poorest states in the nation, would be the most dangerous but West Virginia is mostly white and has one of the lowest crime rates in the country. Its a problem we blacks must deal with.
Every one of the cities on that list are majority black and when whites lived in the cities before they flocked to the suburbs the cities were in much better condition. If poverty caused crime, black athletes and rappers, some of who come from poor backgrounds would suddenly stop committing crime once they get that million dollar contract, because at that point, theyre no longer poor. Yet we see multimillionaire black rappers and athletes still committing crimes.[/quote] And rich white men don’t commit crimes? Theyll take millions of dollars! [quote]
We see the same pattern in Africa and the caribbean. When whites occupied the countries they at least had electricity, running water, and food, which the people they colonized benefited from as well. As a race, we are at fault for alot of our own downfalls [/quote] so, culturally, blacks are raised out of wedlock, in female headed households and dependent on welfare - and thats the reason white are superior? This is to say that millions of individuals, are stuck because genetically, they are inferior. How about when whites are raised in the ghetto, do they fare much better than the rest? [quote] Alot of whites are scared to point this out for fear of being labeled racist, so they give us black folks an excuse by saying we’re poor thats why we shoot each other over cell phones.[/quote]
[quote]spyoptic wrote:
so, culturally, blacks are raised out of wedlock, in female headed households and dependent on welfare - and thats the reason white are superior? This is to say that millions of individuals, are stuck because genetically, they are inferior. How about when whites are raised in the ghetto, do they fare much better than the rest? [/quote]
Who said anything about moral or social status being tied to black or white? It is not arguable that children raised in stable traditional families are statistically much much better off in every area that matters than those from broken or non existent families regardless of race.
Blacks have been the intentional targets of every socially catastrophic social program for decades. Those programs destroy and or prevent traditional families. What we are seeing is the result. Whites in the same circumstances have similar results.
When oh when oh when will we wake up and realize that communistic social “aid” accomplishes the diametric opposite of what it’s proponents allege. And that by design. Liberal nanny state politicians need people to need them. The last thing they want is a black majority that believes in itself more than it believes that a destroyer like Barack Obama, buy virtue of his skin color, knows what’s best for them.
Wow
Crazy stats.
To Spyoptic:
I see what youre saying. But im talking about crimes of violence. Thats what makes cities dangerous. Rich white men arent murdering, raping, robbing, and car jacking on epidemic levels. If you happen to be in Detroit after midnight and you get a flat tire on 7 mile and Evergreen in Detroit, a rich white man CEO stealing money from his company is the least of your worries. Your more pressing worry is hooping you dont get robbed and shot and your wife get raped, robbed, and shot, a crime that probably wont be committed by a rich white man.
Let me tell you what I mean by Africa and the carribean: Read this article on Guinea in West Africa. When the French occupied it they had food, electricity, and running water. When the french left you have Guinea as it is today. BBC NEWS | Africa | Guineans mark '50 years of poverty'
Lets not forget South Africa, which under apartheid, was a first world country. Now its one of the most dangerous third world countries in the world. And one where whites are targeted for brutal murder.