[quote]Spry wrote:
njrusmc wrote:
Formerly a software test engineer, currently a Marine Corps officer.
Wow. Hope for me yet.[/quote]
Not quite. I wrote automated tests (thus, was designing and implementing real software) used to validate the actual software that controlled the radios. So in reality, I was still a software engineer 
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
Spry wrote:
njrusmc wrote:
Formerly a software test engineer, currently a Marine Corps officer.
Wow. Hope for me yet.
Not quite. I wrote automated tests (thus, was designing and implementing real software) used to validate the actual software that controlled the radios. So in reality, I was still a software engineer :)[/quote]
I’m a LoadRunner guy so I write C thank you very much!
And I’ve tested .NET and Java applications (having to script in those languages as well).
And I call it ‘scripting’ rather than ‘programming’ when it comes to automated testing.
I’ve got a lot of respect for the real programmers.
Architect.
I design crazy expensive shit and people have to pay me.
Machinist. I make shit out of metal.
[quote]analog_kid wrote:
Machinist. I make shit out of metal. [/quote]
Can you make shit into metal?
Cowboy Astronaut Millionaire.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Cowboy Astronaut Millionaire.
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“Hey, his cowboy hat comes right off!! He’s a fake!!”
I break necks and cash checks.
I just think its nice to still see all the SW related avatars…very nice
Mad Props to AV
Former personal banker for a large national consumer bank in the U.S. Left there because I wanted to spend more time outdoors. Now I sell shiny new Dodge automobiles. Anybody in the market for a Challenger? lol
[quote]Makavali wrote:
analog_kid wrote:
Machinist. I make shit out of metal.
Can you make shit into metal?[/quote]
Well played sir.
[quote]Hucker wrote: I am a trainee lawyer and, to be frank, feel like a pussy doing such a white collar job.
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Umm… TC is a writer. Is he not a “T-Man”?
With all due respect to the software engineers, as much as I admire their profession (I am studying database design and interface design) I have always been baffled by the misnomer of “engineer.”
“Programmer” would be more accurate, as I consider the traditional engineering disciplines that deal with the physical sciences to be more deserving of the “engineer” label.
Just like when I see “education engineer” or “customer support engineer.” Dude, unless you studied heat of reaction shit and mechanics and fluid dynamics, etc, AND you at least have to recall SOME of that shit for your job, you are NOT an engineer. I studied engineering - switched out, didn’t like it - and that is some different shit.
Programmers are wicked smart, and I understand many of them are computer engineering majors - and therefore have to study the core engineering stuff - with an emphasis on software, but they just don’t get their hands dirty with engineering-level stuff in their 9-5s.
Now, if someone can convince me otherwise, I’m all ears. Not trying to shit on anyone’s talents at all, and I was born and raised in the Silicon Valley…
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Hucker wrote: I am a trainee lawyer and, to be frank, feel like a pussy doing such a white collar job.
Umm… TC is a writer. Is he not a “T-Man”?
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And I don’t give a fuck what anyone thinks of writers. If you have ever been swayed, humored, angered, whatever…after reading ANYTHING, you have to pay homage to the art of writing.
I think if you look at the most famous writers you can see the absolute test of sanity and will with regards to the starving-artist lifestyle.
I recall reading that Garcia Marquez, my favorite author, got the idea for 100 Years of Solitude while driving somewhere with his family. He turns the car around, drives home and locks himself in a room where he spends 18 months, smoking 4 packs a day until he finishes the novel. The family had to sell their furniture just to support his smoking habit.
And it is one of the most incredible pieces of literature ever written. That’s the stuff of urban legend, except it actually happened. I’m convinced I need a vice if I’m to ever become a famous writer.
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
With all due respect to the software engineers, as much as I admire their profession (I am studying database design and interface design) I have always been baffled by the misnomer of “engineer.”
“Programmer” would be more accurate, as I consider the traditional engineering disciplines that deal with the physical sciences to be more deserving of the “engineer” label.
Just like when I see “education engineer” or “customer support engineer.” Dude, unless you studied heat of reaction shit and mechanics and fluid dynamics, etc, AND you at least have to recall SOME of that shit for your job, you are NOT an engineer. I studied engineering - switched out, didn’t like it - and that is some different shit.
Programmers are wicked smart, and I understand many of them are computer engineering majors - and therefore have to study the core engineering stuff - with an emphasis on software, but they just don’t get their hands dirty with engineering-level stuff in their 9-5s.
Now, if someone can convince me otherwise, I’m all ears. Not trying to shit on anyone’s talents at all, and I was born and raised in the Silicon Valley…[/quote]
Meh, it’s just a title that doesn’t mean that much to me. I use math to solve problems. Is that all it takes to be an engineer? who knows.
I usually call myself a programmer although my job consists of mostly software design and implementation, but some architecture and some data forensic stuff (if you can call it that, tracking down patterns and building histories from transactions) and some days electronics and low level communications, though mainly for debugging communication problems with software, not for any functional purpose.
Programming is mostly what I do but doesn’t really encompass all of it. I don’t know that software engineer covers it either.
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
With all due respect to the software engineers, as much as I admire their profession (I am studying database design and interface design) I have always been baffled by the misnomer of “engineer.”
“Programmer” would be more accurate, as I consider the traditional engineering disciplines that deal with the physical sciences to be more deserving of the “engineer” label.
Just like when I see “education engineer” or “customer support engineer.” Dude, unless you studied heat of reaction shit and mechanics and fluid dynamics, etc, AND you at least have to recall SOME of that shit for your job, you are NOT an engineer. I studied engineering - switched out, didn’t like it - and that is some different shit.
Programmers are wicked smart, and I understand many of them are computer engineering majors - and therefore have to study the core engineering stuff - with an emphasis on software, but they just don’t get their hands dirty with engineering-level stuff in their 9-5s.
Now, if someone can convince me otherwise, I’m all ears. Not trying to shit on anyone’s talents at all, and I was born and raised in the Silicon Valley…[/quote]
I completely agree. I think most would.
I am an Information Technology graduate - not an Engineering graduate.
I know the difference - I get paid more
debra,
I would consider you a mathematician/logician.
I’m sure there’s a more precise term for what you do, and what you do is amazing - pattern recognition, design…again, what I am doing right now - but I don’t like liberal application of the “engineer” label to anything and everything these days.
And when I say that yours or someone else’s profession isn’t necessarily engineering in the true sense of the word, I am not implying that engineering is itself at the top of the prestige pyramid. It’s just another profession to me, but it’s like a chiropractor calling himself a medical doctor. Again, nothing wrong with chiros, but MDs? Maybe I’m being naive. (that should bait Bushy)
You are a P.E. instructor at a high school. Are you therefore a personal trainer, automatically?
You are an executive admin that writes emails for your boss on a daily basis. Are you a ‘writer’ ?
You worked as short order cook over the summer. Are you a chef? Or even a sous chef?
These are labels/duties that get really muddied up, not just on resumes (fluffing up skills) but also BY EMPLOYERS when they try to oversell the responsibilities of a certain position they are trying to fill. It’s a silly game that I wish would die.
med school, the two hundred thousand dollar bet.
An Engineer is someone how has graduated with an Engineering degree.
Simple definition really.
Meek, mild-mannered pot-smoking electrical engineer by day - aggressive pot-smoking bodybuilder in the evening hours - trendy girl-hopping, pot-smoking socialite in the late hours and sometimes retarded pot-smoking crank yanker after midnight!
4 different personalities with almost nothing in common.