What Channel is World Cup Opening Ceremony?

[quote]Aggv wrote:
I wonder what our national team would look like if the only game we had to play here was soccer, and had the same youth development that our football/basketball/baseball/hockey has…

In fact, i’d take Lebron in goal over tim howard right now. Like hopefully he loses tonight, fly him down to brazil, and put that 6’10’ athletic freak in goal. [/quote]

HA wow enticing to think about building a IX with American superstars. The thing is, and someone nailed it earlier, all the steroids(physical specimens) in the world won’t guarantee that you have any success at all.

You need some brains. Case and point; Pirlo

[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]Claudan wrote:
You know what most of us do about? Simply not pay attention. [/quote]

Did the point from the PK in the brazil match not count? [/quote]

Of course it counts, but it’s nothing new. It’s not like you are stumbling across some new concept

“OMG let me rage about diving”.

I think it’s more important to acknowledge that good refs are imperative and that we should appreciate the teams-of-refs that handle the issue well. If a ref makes a good call then the diver looks like the idiot he is.

If anything, impose higher consequences for diving and weed that shit out.

[quote]Claudan wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:
I wonder what our national team would look like if the only game we had to play here was soccer, and had the same youth development that our football/basketball/baseball/hockey has…

In fact, i’d take Lebron in goal over tim howard right now. Like hopefully he loses tonight, fly him down to brazil, and put that 6’10’ athletic freak in goal. [/quote]

HA wow enticing to think about building a IX with American superstars. The thing is, and someone nailed it earlier, all the steroids(physical specimens) in the world won’t guarantee that you have any success at all.

You need some brains. Case and point; Pirlo[/quote]

You think dudes with court/field vision and the know-how of reading defenses and whatnot in other sports would suddenly fail to grasp how the same concepts work in footie? Basketball and American Football involve far more complicated schema, I don’t think intelligence would be a limiting factor in their accomplishment. Their lack of ability to handle playing a sport where their arms cannot contact the ball however, could be a problem.

I used to play hockey and I watch a period every once in a while. Every other sport is boring to me, especially soccer which is also gay. No one will change my opinion on this sport.

The exception would be rugby. I was introduced to rugby by a friend some time ago and it is awesome to watch. I wish I could play but it´s not a really accessible and popular sport where I live plus I am a busy old guy now.

Oh yeah and the would cup blows.

[quote]Claudan wrote:
"American sports culture exist in a different temporal universe to soccer. Because soccer is something fundamentally different to what Americans are used to, it creates a comletely different paradigm in watching the sport. American sports are all very structured and procedural, with standardized plays that can quantified into statistics, and the narrative of the sport is largely told through statistics. We cheer when a quantifiable number is achieved, we find excitement in that which results in a number indicating success. Soccer is completely unlike this, it doesn’t provide the standardized plays but complete free-form gameplay with only one giant milestone that is difficult to achieve (scoring a goal). To create a gaming analogy, American sports are like turn based games (Civilizations) while soccer is like a RTS (Age of Empires).

If an American watches say 5 minutes of soccer and 5 minutes of football, in the 5 minutes of football he will see on average 21 seconds of gameplay and lots of downtime and commercials (which European frequently cite as one of the reasons American football is boring to them), but critically to Americans that 21 seconds will result in quantifiable achievement, the team will gain or lose an X number of yards, and every player will be granted a plethora of statistics on exactly what he did in every second of gameplay. Football, like all American sports regiments and segments the game into a series of small statistical gains, which are tabulated and compared to previous standardized segments. Soccer is completely the opposite. In soccer, a 5 minute stretch may include the ball moving for several kilometers with players performing a many passes, feints, dribbles…etc yet none of that will be quantified to create a sense of linear progression. Soccer players cover by far the most ground in team sports compared to American sports and perform the most physical action, but none of that action follows a procedure with clear results except the goal. While the rest of the world gets excited by plays like this that don’t result in quantifiable achievement because of the skill and creativity, to your average American its “just kicking a ball around”.
That’s why you hear Americans say things like “soccer is boring because only 1 or 2 goals are scored”.

To most of them, the only exciting part of soccer is when a team scores, because its the only time soccer stops and a number on the screen increments and tells us something has been achieved.

Even the more freeflowing American sport of basketball is still segmented by design into 24 second parts (with a shot clock), and provides a plenty of statistics because of how repeatable the actions. Its guaranteed that every 24 seconds, you’ll get a shot, a rebound by one team or the other and likely an assist. These can be tabulated and a narrative formed around these numbers. Its largely why rugby and hockey have had a very hard time in America, hockey is largely regional and depends heavily on the North where there is cross border influence from Canada, and rugby has largely been absent from American TV.
But even if soccer was somehow to be segmented and quantified into a standardized set of actions with clear linear progression, there is also the question of identity. In many ways, sports are like religion, we tend to follow those that are dominant in the local culture and tend to view others coming from foreign cultures with a sense of rejection. So while the changing demographics and a more globalized culture in America will continue to drive soccer upwards in popularity, it will never truly be embraced since it will always be an outsider sport.

However there are many encouraging signs. This year 31 million Americans watched the final day of the Premier League across the NBC network family and MLS just signed a $720 milion deal with ESPN (despite being only the 4th most watched soccer league in Amerca, behind the Premier League on NBC, Champions League on FOX and Liga MX on Univision) and the Brazil-Croatia game yesterday got TV ratings on part with NBA Finals, more than double Stanley Cup finals. These are all healthy signs of interest and growth, but even if it doesn’t evolve past that, there’s nothing wrong that. Whether soccer becomes genuinely accepted in America as equal to American football and baseball no longer hurts American soccer fans ability to watch soccer since its commonly shown on TV now.
And in the end, soccer as sport needs no validation from America. Soccer already completely dwarfs every other sport in every measure of success, it has more fans, more revenue and more TV viewers than all American sports combined. It has never needed America, so it will never change to assimilate into what Americans are used to watching."[/quote]

I always suspected Euro’s don’t really understand statistics.

[quote]Aggv wrote:
I wonder what our national team would look like if the only game we had to play here was soccer, and had the same youth development that our football/basketball/baseball/hockey has…

In fact, i’d take Lebron in goal over tim howard right now. Like hopefully he loses tonight, fly him down to brazil, and put that 6’10’ athletic freak in goal. [/quote]

This is my favorite point to make when I’m talking to Europeans about soccer.

Put Lebron at the top of the 18 on a corner, have him muscle his way up the middle and put his head on it 11 feet in the air. Goal every time.

More on topic, how 'bout that Messi.

Soccer:

NBA headlines:

Wade fined $5k for flop in game 2 http://www.nba.com/2014/news/06/09/wade-fined-flopping.ap/
Stephenson fined $10k, Hibbert $5k for flopping http://www.nba.com/2014/news/05/29/hibbert-stephenson-fined-for-flopping/
Spurs’ Splitter fined $5k for flopping http://www.nba.com/2014/news/05/28/tiago-splitter-fined-flopping/
Wolves Brewer fined $5k for flopping http://www.nba.com/2013/news/12/09/wolves-brewer-fined-for-flopping/
Heats’ Chalmers fined $5k for flopping http://www.nba.com/2014/news/02/06/heat-chalmers-fined-release/
Suns’ Tucker fined for violating anti-flopping rule http://www.nba.com/2014/news/02/19/suns-tucker-flop-fine/

Maybe the best athletes in the US don’t pursue soccer because it’s not an athletic endeavor, but a dramatic one. It really has more in common with a community theater production of “The Sound of Music” than a sport.

[quote]smh_23 wrote:
This is my favorite point to make when I’m talking to Europeans about soccer.

Put Lebron at the top of the 18 on a corner, have him muscle his way up the middle and put his head on it 11 feet in the air. Goal every time.
[/quote]

Put Lebron in goal. Six foot eight, with his speed and hands…

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:
I wonder what our national team would look like if the only game we had to play here was soccer, and had the same youth development that our football/basketball/baseball/hockey has…

In fact, i’d take Lebron in goal over tim howard right now. Like hopefully he loses tonight, fly him down to brazil, and put that 6’10’ athletic freak in goal. [/quote]

This is my favorite point to make when I’m talking to Europeans about soccer.

Put Lebron at the top of the 18 on a corner, have him muscle his way up the middle and put his head on it 11 feet in the air. Goal every time.

More on topic, how 'bout that Messi.[/quote]

Great argument… First he has to learn to head the ball with power and accuracy. Some of the posts in here about how soccer is ‘gay’ are beyond ignorant.

[quote]stefan128 wrote:
Some of the posts in here about how soccer is ‘gay’ are beyond ignorant.[/quote]

That is crazy talk. Calling soccer gay implies it might involve something entertaining to watch.

Holy cow, Queen is gay. I could watch them all day!

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Holy cow, Queen is gay. I could watch them all day![/quote]

Freddie sure can work a room.

Loving it.

tweet

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Holy cow, Queen is gay. I could watch them all day![/quote]

Freddie sure can work a room. [/quote]

Yeah!

Queen at Live Aid is literally the best counterargument in any debate in which the word “gay” comes up.

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:
This is my favorite point to make when I’m talking to Europeans about soccer.

Put Lebron at the top of the 18 on a corner, have him muscle his way up the middle and put his head on it 11 feet in the air. Goal every time.
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Put Lebron in goal. Six foot eight, with his speed and hands…
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Would be basically impenetrable.

And just imagine every skill position in the NFL…imagine those guys grew up in a culture where the big childhood dream was to play soccer rather than American football. We would run World Cups.

(Love American football though, so that would be bittersweet for me. But I think I’d still choose it.)

[quote]Aggv wrote:
I wonder what our national team would look like if the only game we had to play here was soccer, and had the same youth development that our football/basketball/baseball/hockey has…

In fact, i’d take Lebron in goal over tim howard right now. Like hopefully he loses tonight, fly him down to brazil, and put that 6’10’ athletic freak in goal. [/quote]
Lol so you think being an athletic freak will help you stop a shot going at 132mph from 25 yards,my friend it takes more than that,and how heavy is lebron again,it can’t be easy for a 6’10 fellow to turn and twist at a second’s notice. (keeping has nothing to do with strength,or the sort of speed you are thinking about)

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Claudan wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:
I wonder what our national team would look like if the only game we had to play here was soccer, and had the same youth development that our football/basketball/baseball/hockey has…

In fact, i’d take Lebron in goal over tim howard right now. Like hopefully he loses tonight, fly him down to brazil, and put that 6’10’ athletic freak in goal. [/quote]

HA wow enticing to think about building a IX with American superstars. The thing is, and someone nailed it earlier, all the steroids(physical specimens) in the world won’t guarantee that you have any success at all.

You need some brains. Case and point; Pirlo[/quote]

You think dudes with court/field vision and the know-how of reading defenses and whatnot in other sports would suddenly fail to grasp how the same concepts work in footie? Basketball and American Football involve far more complicated schema, I don’t think intelligence would be a limiting factor in their accomplishment. Their lack of ability to handle playing a sport where their arms cannot contact the ball however, could be a problem. [/quote]
Basketball and american football doesn’t involve more complicated schema,in fact soccer games can sometimes get so complicated that it put off non adherent of the game,case in point, spain of 2010, barcelona of 2011,those teams would pass the ball around for almost the game having the possesion for 70 percent,and all this passing was just to tire out the opponent,and break the defensive wall of the opponent.

It’s hilarious how anti-soccer ppl are just trolling, and then you have 2 retards trying to argue that America would not field a competitive team if our sole focus in sports were one game. Which i hope you 2 tards are also trolling because you would have to be the stupidest people alive to not understand how our athletes would compete/dominate just fine if we dint have a plethora of choices for our kids. Which i’d rather have the options for our kids rather than access to only one game…

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:
This is my favorite point to make when I’m talking to Europeans about soccer.

Put Lebron at the top of the 18 on a corner, have him muscle his way up the middle and put his head on it 11 feet in the air. Goal every time.
[/quote]

Put Lebron in goal. Six foot eight, with his speed and hands…
[/quote]

Casillas is 6’1 and has been impenetrable for the last decade.

Maybe you should go stand in goal and let me blast a few at you, so you can gain a better basic understanding of the position.